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Hi All. Congrats to those who have purchased the Z9G. I am also seriously considering the Z9G and still waiting for more clarity regarding its performance and capabilities. I am excited about this set and what I have heard about the picture quality and brightness and will be closely following this thread for more information over the coming weeks.

For starters, I have a question regarding its HDMI 2.1 port. From what I have heard only one of its ports is HDMI 2.1 and that too 40 Gb instead of the full 48 Gb. Is this correct and what does the 40 gb limitation mean? If an 8k tv cannot accept a full 8k signal from an external source (even if none exist today but in 2-3 years sources would start appearing), it’️s a huge limitation in my view and will be a dealbreaker for me as I plan to keep such an expensive set for at least 5-8 years. Relying only on 8k upscaling to me seems nonsensical.

Also, I find it hard to understand why Sony would only provide 1 HDMI 2.1 port in a $13k tv. I wish Sony would just upgrade to all 4 full HDMI 2.1 ports during this model year which would make a purchase decision of this set that much more likely otherwise I see Sony losing many sales of this flagship model this year.

Another criterion for me is future HDR 10+ support along with the current Dolby vision support. Again, why would a $13k set not support all major HDR formats? Are we supposed to not see dynamic HDR in videos such as from Amazon prime which will increasingly be in HDR 10+? I wish Sony would listen to customer needs and add it in the next iteration of this model (or firmware update this model but I’️m dreaming!) as it will only lose sales if it doesn’️t.

If Sony listens and adds these important features it has a winner and an immediate order from me!


Any thoughts on the HDMI 2.1 issues/limitations on the Z9G mentioned above?
This CNET article was specifically updated after the fact to clarify the HDMI 2.1 info in the article, which says:

"The new 8K sets also have full-spec HDMI 2.1inputs complete with 48Gbps capability, which means they're compatible with higher frame rates and resolutions that could come down the pike soon, like 4K at 120 frames per second or 8K at 60fps. All 2019 Sony TVs support enhanced audio return channel (eARC) -- with the exception of the A8G. 

Support for the other two major HDMI 2.1 features -- variable refresh rate (VRR) and automatic low latency mode (ALLM, or auto game mode) -- isn't final yet. A Sony representative says that once the HDMI 2.1 evaluation period is over, the company will be able to provide more information."

https://www.cnet.com/news/sony-chall...00-98-inch-tv/
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In 2005 Sony launched the Qualia 006, a monster 70"DLP TV at exactly 13K MSRP. Sold pretty well. There is a lot of people who will pay 13 Grand for a 8K 85"TV, rest assured .

The Qualia was a green blob-infested SXRD projection, not a DLP.
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The Qualia was a green blob-infested SXRD projection, not a DLP.
Does not change what I said, people were paying 13 large for a 70"rear projector TV . In comparison, the 85Z9G is a bargain. I could use other examples, like the first 50"plasma from NEC at 25K in 1997.
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If you had the 65 or 75 samsung q9fn you can upgrade to the q90r which is a little better and the price is around $3300 and $4300 not bad at all, samsung jumped to 8k but they didnt forget their flagship 4k customers. Sony jumped to 8k and stopped making 4k flapship 65 and 75 inch tvs for their customers there is nothing high end in the 3 to 5k range you would have to jump all the way to a whopping 13k or move to another manufacturer, I am just pointing out that this is a mistake on sonys part and they will lose some market share over the next few years because of it.
You are forgetting that the Z9D was Sony's answer to OLED in 2016, before they had their own to sell, and implementing Backlight Master Drive in a 65/75 inch LCD plus all the processing horsepower needed to drive it was likely a huge R&D undertaking, and I doubt Sony recouped their investment on the project. Do you think that Sony really made money selling 65" Z9Ds at $2k? The fact is that OLED prices have come down to the point that manufacturing cost is guaranteed to be higher for a 65" LCD with BMD than for a 65" OLED. They now have a very successful line of OLED models to occupy the 55/65/77 class that offer excellent image quality. $13K really isn't outrageous, and they're not pricing themselves out of anything. Plenty of people bought a 65/75 Z9D at the $6k/$9k launch prices 3 years ago are looking for their next upgrade, and can easily swing the price. People quickly forget that Sony's first 84" 4K IPS edge-lit TV was $25k less than 7 years ago. The price is commensurate with Samsung's 8K offerings for what is (likely) to be a superior-performing product. Now, if OLED isn't your bag, then I suppose you can head to Samsung's camp for a high-end 4K LED, although reviews seem to bear out that that may not be the best idea if image fidelity is your thing...
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My question to sony is what about the people who brought a 65 or 75 inch z9d, those people cant afford to spend 13 grand on a tv so when they are ready to upgrade i guess they should to samsung.
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Do you have the data to back up that claim that people who bought the Z9D can't afford to upgrade to the Z9G?
Lets face it some people may want the set but do not have the space for the 85" and 100". There is a void here
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Does not change what I said, people were paying 13 large for a 70"rear projector TV . In comparison, the 85Z9G is a bargain. I could use other examples, like the first 50"plasma from NEC at 25K in 1997.

I don't dispute your general premise, but your factual error was glaring to me, as I owned a green blob-infested 2006 Sony SXRD and Sony never sold DLP rear projection displays.
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I don’t feel the Z9G pricing is that far out of line. 1000 zones and a better anti-reflective filter and this set would have been a home run imo. Plus, this is just launch pricing, so I can see it coming down fairly quickly.

4000 nits has me super excited for HDR! It was eye opening for me just going from OLED level HDR to 1500-2000 nit peak HDR. The added depth makes images look more realistic and true to life, in a way that the current crop of OLED’s could never achieve for me. It’s truly intoxicating at times.

I don’t know...maybe screen size has something to that as well.
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Your car analogy is way off. There are plenty of millionaires driving inexpensive cars. What people buy is no indication of what they can and cannot afford. You claim people who bought a Z9D cannot afford to buy a Z9G there is no truth in that claim. Are there some people that fit that claim? Sure, but it's not true for everyone so you cannot simply make that blanket statement.


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Some REALLY impressive future display technology.
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Some REALLY impressive future display technology.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52ogQS6QKxc

I get excited if it a year or two from a Best Buy shelf, other than that, I’m just a consumer and not gonna plan my purchases around a 10,000 DPI 2Million nits 2 inch display. WTF ?

I’ll be happy to get in 2020 Samsung QD On Glass, or a TCL Quantum Dots 4K TV with 15,000 Mini LED zones.

2020 will be one heck of an Exciting year for TV’s if it has less than 1,000 Dimming Zones I just wont consider it.
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2020 will be one heck of an Exciting year for TV’s if it has less than 1,000 Dimming Zones I just wont consider it.
what exactly is coming in 2020 ? thats confirmed
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what exactly is coming in 2020 ? thats confirmed
I can only confirm, 100% less bs than 2019. Here we are Almost July half the year gone and some models aren’t even on store shelves. Not sure if this is how the TV industry always works but sheeesh Lol.

Also not confirmed but. A lot More dimming zones.
Maybe even Samsung releases QD on Glass. ? Heck if HP can not sure what held Samsung back.

https://www.amazon.com/HP-Pavilion-2...a-701429917871

Maybe from LGs RoadMap Top Emissive OLEDs a lot Brighter
And lastly I think both LG, Sony and Samsung will have big labels as FreeSync 2 compliant to take advantage of the PS5 and new Xbox in 2020 with AMD hardware FreeSync 2.
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about Freesync (2) ..



is it really necessary when HDMI 2.1 Game-VRR exists ? LG 2019 OLEDs already support HDMI 2.1 VRR, while not supporting Freesync
Freesync is tied to AMD hardware, whereas HDMI 2.1 Game-VRR should automatically just work if both devices are full-spec HDMI 2.1 (this means theoretically also working on future HDMI 2.1 Nvidia GPUs)


but of course its possible to have both Freesync and HDMI-VRR
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Makes the 77” look tiny. Makes me wish I could upgrade my 75z9d


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Lets face it some people may want the set but do not have the space for the 85" and 100". There is a void here
That's me. It's just a tad too big or I would buy. But still thinking, maybe I can do a little remodel. But, doing that, I would come into wife problems.

85" Z9G expensive??? I remember a few years ago, I purchased a Samsung 75JS9500 for $10,000. The 88" Model went for $20,000.00. So, $13,000.00 for the top of the line Sony's new 8K 85" seems like a good deal.


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I was doing the same homework. Just can't bring myself to the buy the 77". Too worried about burn-in/IR.

Awhile back on AVS there was a pole taken regarding if your OLED has burn-in or IR. If my memory is correct, about 15% of the members that answered said their OLED did.

That to me is too big of a percentage to gamble that kind of money on my main watched TV.



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Anymore comparative pics? Would like to see some 4000 nit content to see if the Sony will actually look that much brighter....
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Anymore comparative pics? Would like to see some 4000 nit content to see if the Sony will actually look that much brighter....
PQ in person, different from snapshots and videos. Calibrators mention this in their videos; don't judge PQ by our videos.

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Patience grasshopper.

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Wow...the Z9G makes that 77” C9 look like a toy. Awesome! Lol
The angle of the photos are misleading. If the C9 was squarely under it or directly side by side, size difference would be more apparent. I can't do that and see both screens.

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PQ in person, different from snapshots and videos. Calibrators mention this in their videos; don't judge PQ by our videos.

You can easily judge a difference in image brightness from pics and videos.

If you don’t mind, just put on a bright scene from a 4000 nit HDR movie like Mad Max Fury Road and let us have a look.

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If you don’t mind, just put on a bright scene from a 4000 nit HDR movie like Mad Max Fury Road and let us have a look.
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It will not be accurate. What are the tv settings? What camera, the settings, what are people viewing it on and what are their settings etc. It will be as accurate as me saying, it's brighter. It's brighter.

PQ in person, different from snapshots and videos. Calibrators mention this in their videos; don't judge PQ by our videos.

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It will not be accurate. What are the tv settings? What camera, the settings, what are people viewing it on and what are their settings etc. It will be as accurate as me saying, it's brighter. It's brighter.



PQ in person, different from snapshots and videos. Calibrators mention this in their videos; don't judge PQ by our videos.

We are NOT judging PQ, just trying to get a look at any obvious differences in brightness, which can easily be observed in pics.

No worries if you don’t want to do it.
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We are NOT judging PQ, just trying to get a look at any obvious differences in brightness, which can easily be observed in pics.
No worries if you don’t want to do it.
Lumens (brightness) is part of PQ. I'm not going to get into debate of semantics with you. Pls stop. Thank you.

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Brightness is part of PQ. I'm not going to get into a semantics. Pls stop. Thank you.

Wow...chill out buddy! Why did you even bother posting here? You had to know people would ask these questions. Forget that I asked. Sheesh!

FYI, Vincent Teoh always shows differences in brightness between high nit LCD’s and OLED’s in his videos.
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I never said anything about judging picture quality. Just brightness. But ok....

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Wow...chill out buddy! Why did you even bother posting here? You had to know people would ask these questions. Forget that I asked. Sheesh!FYI, Vincent Teoh always shows differences in brightness between high nit LCD’s and OLED’s in his videos.
BRAC, no need to make it personal.

BRAC, being you want to name drop Vincent, be very careful of using him to get your point across. It may not work in your favor.
I clearly said in my prior posts, "PQ in person, different from snapshots and videos. Calibrators mention this in their videos; don't judge PQ by our videos."

Why can't you accept that with out debating semantics (PQ vs brightness, lumen, nits, etc which are all under the umbrella).

Being you value Vincent, maybe you'll now acknowledge my PQ in person sentence, because in an indirect way, I was referring to Vincent as the calibrator.

Youtube, HDTVtest, OLED vs QLED 2019 (LG C9 v Samsung Q90R), 0.50-1.08 Vincent says:
"What you’re seeing on youtube may not truly represent what I’m actually seeing. So pls do not make any judgement on PQ based on what you see in this video alone. Between you and me, I’m the only one who have set down directly in front of these televisions, comparing them side by side. So pls pls listen to what I say"

Fellow AVS enthusiasts who are following this thread:
I posted here to share what my findings are between the Z9G and C9 once I've had time to do that. What I didn't or don't look forward to is semantic comments and attitude from people because I don't do what they impose on me to do. When people ask each other if they will do this or that, please don't make it personal if they don't want to do it, especially when they explain the reason why.

Most people put more stock in what the Youtube calibrator says versus what the tv picture looks like behind him. Vincent says that, Value Electronics Shoot-out explains that at the being of the shoot-out. I'm saying the same thing. I'll write up my findings, which will be more accurate then, posting photos where too many variables are part of the mix. Another way to look at this is to read reviews where the author doesn't post photos.

Please, play nice, or I'll simply remove my posts and keep my findings to myself. Most likely the moderators will step in before that happens.
Thank you for your understanding.
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