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Is this supposed to be the owners thread? Hard to find impressions about the Z9G from other owners. Hoping to have my 98" installed this week (waiting on some acoustic treatment to be installed first).
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We need someone to do a side by side by side comparison of the Sony 85’s Z9g, 950g and the 850g.
No need we all know how that would turn out, in fact you listed winner left to right already

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Why would you want that, just because they're all 85"?

I think it'll be much more interesting comparing the Z9G to a 75Z9D to see if the improvement is going to be worth it. I think many Z9D owners are/were interested in upgrading to the 85" Z9G. But with this kind of price tag plus the fact the Z9G doesn't have individually LED controlled BMD, it would be great being able to see an in depth comparison first.
Ya, Z9G, Z9D, and 90R would be good
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Is this supposed to be the owners thread? Hard to find impressions about the Z9G from other owners. Hoping to have my 98" installed this week (waiting on some acoustic treatment to be installed first).


Congrats. Would love to get your impressions on the Z9G’s performance once you have it. Eagerly waiting for owner feedback on the Z9G.

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85” on the way

So, I’m upgrading from a 75” Z9D to the 85” Z9G, and can’t wait for it to arrive. The fact that these panels are so hard to come by hopefully shows some improvement over the older generations.

I will post as much as I can when it arrives...

...surprised that there isn’t more info from owners... are there that few of these tv’s out there?
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So, I’m upgrading from a 75” Z9D to the 85” Z9G, and can’t wait for it to arrive. The fact that these panels are so hard to come by hopefully shows some improvement over the older generations.

I will post as much as I can when it arrives...

...surprised that there isn’t more info from owners... are there that few of these tv’s out there?
Ah, a 75Z9D + Z9G owner.

I'll be awaiting your findings with great interest.
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So, I’m upgrading from a 75” Z9D to the 85” Z9G, and can’t wait for it to arrive. The fact that these panels are so hard to come by hopefully shows some improvement over the older generations.

I will post as much as I can when it arrives...

...surprised that there isn’t more info from owners... are there that few of these tv’s out there?

If you have Batman v Superman, some impressions and pics if possible of the Batman warehouse fight scene would be great. Really want to know how the black bars hold up in this scene. Thanks in advance.
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I hope to do the same soon. Will be keeping the 75z9D in the basement and 85Z9G in the family room. where are people buying them? BB? discounts?


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Ah, a 75Z9D + Z9G owner.

I'll be awaiting your findings with great interest.
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98 version costs what in america, 60000 or 70000?
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Is this supposed to be the owners thread? Hard to find impressions about the Z9G from other owners. Hoping to have my 98" installed this week (waiting on some acoustic treatment to be installed first).
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So, I’m upgrading from a 75” Z9D to the 85” Z9G, and can’t wait for it to arrive. The fact that these panels are so hard to come by hopefully shows some improvement over the older generations.

I will post as much as I can when it arrives...

...surprised that there isn’t more info from owners... are there that few of these tv’s out there?
Huge congrats on the new TVs.. Looking forward to the pics and initial impressions on PQ, black levels, blooming, HDR performance, etc.

I am very seriously considering this TV, so I’m eagerly awaiting owners opinions.
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I am very seriously considering this TV, so I’m eagerly awaiting owners opinions.
In August, Value Electronics is having another ShootOut but this time it is between the 8Ks.

It'll be streamed live and should be very interesting to watch
Samsung Q900R
Sony Z9G
LG's 88" 8K OLED


If there are any others? I don't know.

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In August, Value Electronics is having another ShootOut but this time it is between the 8Ks.

It'll be streamed live and should be very interesting to watch
Samsung Q900R
Sony Z9G
LG's 88" 8K OLED


If there are any others? I don't know.

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Thanks for sharing. I’ll definitely be watching that!
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In August, Value Electronics is having another ShootOut but this time it is between the 8Ks.

It'll be streamed live and should be very interesting to watch
Samsung Q900R
Sony Z9G
LG's 88" 8K OLED


If there are any others? I don't know.

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Wow. that going to be an awesome shootout. Be interesting to see what is better out of Q900R and ZG9.
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Wow. that going to be an awesome shootout. Be interesting to see what is better out of Q900R and ZG9.
Yep, mostly interested in this comparison between the Sony and Samsung because afaik there is no commercially-available 98"+ OLED to compare to (hence it's irrelevant). My primary reason for purchasing Z9G was the 98" size and generally favorable first impressions, although the 8k and HDMI 2.1 is nice for the future.
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But you get eARC on the z9g correct? Seems out of all the 2.1 features that and VRR are most relevant today

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But you get eARC on the z9g correct? Seems out of all the 2.1 features that and VRR are most relevant today

multiple sources say Samsung is adding eARC in August. but honestly after seeing the 8k Samsung sets I think the Z9G will definitely be superior in every area, especially since the general consensus is that Samsung's 4k Q90R has a better picture than their Q900/Q950.
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INstalled the 85" z9g 2 days ago. Figured I'd share my thoughts and impressions since not too many owners have volunteered. NOt really a forum guy but I'm thankful for the info I've researched in the past so time for me to contribute.

First Impressions:
Watched Hellboy 4k - HDR is Bloom City. Black levels are not the best. A bit gray.
Next on the 4k bluray list is to watch Aquaman again and I'll relay more feedback and compare. That was a better reference than the above movie.
Black levels on SDR content are great. Black bars are considerably blacker too
Bright HDR (nature shows) are AMAZING - I was dissapointed after Hellboy until I popped in one of these.
Colors - very bright and inky
Overall, not a huge leap in picture performance, until you get to 4k HDR content. Coming from a 85x900f. I think that was somewhat expected.
No blooming on SDR subtitles.

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HBO GO won't work. I think the cable company (xfinity/comcast) or Sony hasn't updated its current model list. Reads as 'Not supported device.' x900f had no problem
HDMI 3 is the only input with earc or arc. Hdmi 3 is not hdmi 2.1
HDMI 4 is the 8k input. No ARC.
Having some arc sync problems w/ Netflix app, where I have to toggle back-n-forth sound options. Maybe the EARC has something to do with it b/c the processor isn't EARC capable. I dont know..
'Display' button doesn't show pixel count of 8k. Should be upscaling all content to 8k. Reached out to Sony and they didn't really know what they were talking about, to be honest. I can prob deduce that it shows the input signal, not output of the TV. Kinda weird because the 4k player will always show 4k on its 'display' button, even if I'm playing 1080p content - because of its internal upscaling. Thats how it should be. Should be displaying the output, not input.
Netflix mode detracts from other PQ options, IMO
The design of TV has slits above and below TV, where speakers go. Those came dusty. It was hard to clean and you have to fit a thin edge of a towel, between them, and hope it stays in while you pull it across. but thats minor..
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Correction** HDR is bloom city, THROUGH THE BLACK BARS
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Correction** HDR is bloom city, THROUGH THE BLACK BARS

Thanks for the impressions. This is disappointing, but to be expected with a TV this bright. Sony needs to hurry and bring out a mini-LED or dual layered LCD. Regular FALD TVs just don't cut the mustard anymore. Especially with the nit race LCD makers are in on...

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Correction** HDR is bloom city, THROUGH THE BLACK BARS
Sorry to hear, but honestly I'm not really surprised.

Torture test for this will be scope (HDR) movies and ofcourse dark scenes with bright highlights.

Will you be keeping it?
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Thanks for the impressions. This is disappointing, but to be expected with a TV this bright.
I have a feeling it probably didn't have to be this way, if they had gotten rid of X-wide view and brought back the Z9D's BMD.
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Sorry to hear, but honestly I'm not really surprised.

Torture test for this will be scope (HDR) movies and ofcourse dark scenes with bright highlights.

Will you be keeping it?
Hellboy was a dark HDR movie although I wasn't trying to find faults. Long day, just wanted to kick back and enjoy an movie. So I didn't notice much blooming - on the main screen. But the blooming bars and grayish blacks did stand out, but not enough for me to get too bothered by it. Some people can't stand the blooming into bars, but they don't really bother me. People also pay out of pocket, for blooming lights behind their TV's... So to each their own. OK maybe, the grayer blacks did annoy me some, but thats because of expectations and PRICE.

In regards to keeping it. Pretty much keeping it. I gifted the x900f already to a family member, so I'd be out of a TV and not looking to buy the 30k OLED or go smaller. Once you go bigger, its really hard to get a smaller TV. And the bright HDR was a 'WOW' amazing.
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Hellboy was a dark HDR movie although I wasn't trying to find faults. Long day, just wanted to kick back and enjoy an movie. So I didn't notice much blooming - on the main screen. But the blooming bars and grayish blacks did stand out, but not enough for me to get too bothered by it. Some people can't stand the blooming into bars, but they don't really bother me. People also pay out of pocket, for blooming lights behind their TV's... So to each their own. OK maybe, the grayer blacks did annoy me some, but thats because of expectations and PRICE.

In regards to keeping it. Pretty much keeping it. I gifted the x900f already to a family member, so I'd be out of a TV and not looking to buy the 30k OLED or go smaller. Once you go bigger, its really hard to get a smaller TV. And the bright HDR was a 'WOW' amazing.
With 85", I can understand going smaller now would be kind of hard to do.

Perhaps you could tweak the settings a bit and (if you don't already have one) use a bias light to combat the blooming during HDR. At any rate, I'm sure the bright HDR is "WOW" amazing like you said.
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Correction** HDR is bloom city, THROUGH THE BLACK BARS
Have you calibrated?
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Yep, mostly interested in this comparison between the Sony and Samsung because afaik there is no commercially-available 98"+ OLED to compare to (hence it's irrelevant). My primary reason for purchasing Z9G was the 98" size and generally favorable first impressions, although the 8k and HDMI 2.1 is nice for the future.
Yeah also the fact that we already know the OLED will have the best picture, so I'm really curious to which TV takes the second place prize.

IMO Samsung and Sony alternate each year more or less...

JS9500 > 940C
ZD9 > KS9500
ZD9 > Q9F
Q9FN > ZF9
Q900R vs ZG9 ?? Hmmmmm
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I have a feeling it probably didn't have to be this way, if they had gotten rid of X-wide view and brought back the Z9D's BMD.
No thanks. If you are inside 10ft an 85” washes out noticeably at the far right and left sides of the screen. My 85” 900F had that issue sitting at ~9.5ft back. Yuck!

For the above reason, I will never go back to a large size VA panel without wide angle tech.
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No thanks. If you are inside 10ft an 85” washes out noticeably at the far right and left sides of the screen. My 85” 900F had that issue sitting at ~9.5ft back. Yuck!

For the above reason, I will never go back to a large size VA panel without wide angle tech.
You sit that close to an 85"?

I'm not familiar with the 85X900F though, so naturally I can't comment on that.

But the Z9D for example has the most limited viewing angle I have ever seen on any LCD, something which I have zero problems with. I'm sure Sony is able to make an 85" which has the same limited viewing angles, but with the picture still "intact" when sitting dead center.

Personally I'm not willing to give up one ounce of picture quality in favour of wider viewing angles (which is something I don't need anyway, since I always sit dead center).

I'm merely speculating here, but perhaps the reason the Z9G has zone based BMD is because of the X-wide view tech being used? Maybe they couldn't make the BMD with individually controlled LEDs work in conjunction with X-wide? Or perhaps they could, but it just would have made the Z9G even more expensive than it already is? Would be very interesting to know exactly why Sony chose to go this route.

I have no doubts the Z9G is a beast when it comes to HDR brightness, I hope to see one some time in a store somewhere. But it probably would have been a real killer TV, if it didn't have the reported blooming issues it apparently has.

Just out of curiosity, do any Z9G owners have their 85" wall mounted (if that's even possible at all)? I still would like to know how far the TV reaches out in front when wall mounted.
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Hello Fellow Z9G Owners and Enthusiasts;

Just a couple of quick comments.
- My Z9G is wall mounted (Family Room)
- I have already shared a couple of pics playing IMAX Enhanced Blue Planet title
- Distance from the wall: approximately 4 inches or so.

- HBO Go works without issues on my set.
- Tested streaming Game Of Thrones – Season 8, Episode 3 – The Long Night
Verdict: Terrific! I have an X950G and the Z9G’s BMD feature made all the difference
- Blooming is just a fact of life, but the TV does a good
o Z9G vs X950G comparison
- NetFlix, Amazon, VUDU DV and Dolby Atmos – all supported without issue.
o VUDU will display the Dolby Atmos when it is engaged
Note: If you are an owner: Must stream “Lost In Space” episodes (Available from NetFlix)
- eARC works!!!
o HT-ST5000 soundbar supports eARC
Note: You must enable eARC manually in the settings menu. It is not enabled by default
- Amazon’s Alexa control my TV app works well

I'l try to get sometime this weekend to play Batman vs Superman (4K HDR) and take shots of the warehouse scene and more scene another forum member asked about.

Only regrets associated with this TV:
- SONY could work on the external appearance of this set. The wife likes the X950G better (thin vessel and frame)
- No 8K native videos come installed with the TV (Demo/Retail) mode. So, it is difficult to showcase your new TV without 8K content
- 4K content looks great. However, display button does not report 8K upscaling (4K)
o So, there is no way to know if/when 8K upscaling works
- Single 8K port – No full HDMI 2.1 features
- SONY taking their sweet time with the Apple HomeKit firmware upgrade
- I am not a gamer so cannot provide any feedback on any game related questions
- NetFlix Calibrated mode makes the scenes way too dark

One more issue – nothing to do with SONY: Really disappointed that Avengers: End Game Blu-ray will not be released in IMAX Enhanced Format, or any kind of HDR master – be Dolby Vision or HDR10+ features. It does not make sense since the movie was shot entirely with IMAX cameras. Sorry, I just needed to get this out of my system.

My only question for other owners and forum experts: Should I have the set professionally calibrated. I called the folks from VE, but they do not service my area. They are going to provide me with a local recommendation.

Take care.
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Hello Fellow Z9G Owners and Enthusiasts;

Just a couple of quick comments.
- My Z9G is wall mounted (Family Room)
- I have already shared a couple of pics playing IMAX Enhanced Blue Planet title
- Distance from the wall: approximately 4 inches or so.

- HBO Go works without issues on my set.
- Tested streaming Game Of Thrones – Season 8, Episode 3 – The Long Night
Verdict: Terrific! I have an X950G and the Z9G’s BMD feature made all the difference
- Blooming is just a fact of life, but the TV does a good
o Z9G vs X950G comparison
- NetFlix, Amazon, VUDU DV and Dolby Atmos – all supported without issue.
o VUDU will display the Dolby Atmos when it is engaged
Note: If you are an owner: Must stream “Lost In Space” episodes (Available from NetFlix)
- eARC works!!!
o HT-ST5000 soundbar supports eARC
Note: You must enable eARC manually in the settings menu. It is not enabled by default
- Amazon’s Alexa control my TV app works well

I'l try to get sometime this weekend to play Batman vs Superman (4K HDR) and take shots of the warehouse scene and more scene another forum member asked about.

Only regrets associated with this TV:
- SONY could work on the external appearance of this set. The wife likes the X950G better (thin vessel and frame)
- No 8K native videos come installed with the TV (Demo/Retail) mode. So, it is difficult to showcase your new TV without 8K content
- 4K content looks great. However, display button does not report 8K upscaling (4K)
o So, there is no way to know if/when 8K upscaling works
- Single 8K port – No full HDMI 2.1 features
- SONY taking their sweet time with the Apple HomeKit firmware upgrade
- I am not a gamer so cannot provide any feedback on any game related questions
- NetFlix Calibrated mode makes the scenes way too dark

One more issue – nothing to do with SONY: Really disappointed that Avengers: End Game Blu-ray will not be released in IMAX Enhanced Format, or any kind of HDR master – be Dolby Vision or HDR10+ features. It does not make sense since the movie was shot entirely with IMAX cameras. Sorry, I just needed to get this out of my system.

My only question for other owners and forum experts: Should I have the set professionally calibrated. I called the folks from VE, but they do not service my area. They are going to provide me with a local recommendation.

Take care.
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Endgame will he HDR10 on disc and Dolby Vision on Vudu.
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You sit that close to an 85"?



I'm not familiar with the 85X900F though, so naturally I can't comment on that.



But the Z9D for example has the most limited viewing angle I have ever seen on any LCD, something which I have zero problems with. I'm sure Sony is able to make an 85" which has the same limited viewing angles, but with the picture still "intact" when sitting dead center.



Personally I'm not willing to give up one ounce of picture quality in favour of wider viewing angles (which is something I don't need anyway, since I always sit dead center).



I'm merely speculating here, but perhaps the reason the Z9G has zone based BMD is because of the X-wide view tech being used? Maybe they couldn't make the BMD with individually controlled LEDs work in conjunction with X-wide? Or perhaps they could, but it just would have made the Z9G even more expensive than it already is? Would be very interesting to know exactly why Sony chose to go this route.



I have no doubts the Z9G is a beast when it comes to HDR brightness, I hope to see one some time in a store somewhere. But it probably would have been a real killer TV, if it didn't have the reported blooming issues it apparently has.



Just out of curiosity, do any Z9G owners have their 85" wall mounted (if that's even possible at all)? I still would like to know how far the TV reaches out in front when wall mounted.
It’s a bit of a double edged sword. If you sit inside 10ft, even at dead center an 85” without x-wide will wash out at the left and right sides. Obviously, this becomes less of an issue if you sit beyond 10ft, but then you start losing all of that incredible immersion factor.

On the other hand, there will be a slight loss in contrast with a set that has x-wide. Having owned both, it’s no contest, I’ll take the slightly reduced contrast over image degradation from color wash out all day long. Ymmv
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It’s a bit of a double edged sword. If you sit inside 10ft, even at dead center an 85” without x-wide will wash out at the left and right sides. Obviously, this becomes less of an issue if you sit beyond 10ft, but then you start losing all of that incredible immersion factor.

On the other hand, there will be a slight loss in contrast with a set that has x-wide. Having owned both, it’s no contest, I’ll take the slightly reduced contrast over image degradation from color wash out all day long. Ymmv
Fair enough.

I've never owned an 85" so we'll see how that goes should I ever get one in the future...
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