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To the 85Z9G owners: An owner of the 98 in confirmed it is made in Japan. Can someone please confirm if the 85 is also built in Japan or in Mexico?
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To the 85Z9G owners: An owner of the 98 in confirmed it is made in Japan. Can someone please confirm if the 85 is also built in Japan or in Mexico?
my XBR-85Z9G - made in Mexico
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158 inch 2.35 ratio 1.1 gain screen from 16 feet viewing distance is a terrific experience (however my epson ls10000 sometimes struggled with brightness at that screen size)

compared with the z9g 85 inch display watching 2.35 ratio material - it's a good size, it fills most of my field of view, and in my 100% blackout room, the image 'floats in space'.
my other tv is a Samsung UN78KS9500F (4k uhd 78 inch curved) and from the same seating distance/ratio it is significantly less immersive.

after you factor in the other improvements of the sony z9g - there really isn't any contest - the sony wins.

only downside was needing to re-position my front and center speakers, I had to move them closer into the room in order to better line them up with the closer placement of the tv. If I used my theater room for more than just films and was concerned with compromising overall 2 channel audio (due to less optimal speaker placement) this might have been a problem.
Was the LS10000 PQ, brightness & contrast that unimpressive? I'm using a JVC NX7/rs2000 and yawn when I watch on a TV (Z9D, Z9G, OLED, you name it). The new advancements in tone-mapping is finally doing justice to bringing projectors back into the playing field for 4K HDR.
(can't wait for the new JVC "frame by frame" + "scene by scene" DTM firmware next month!)

Don't get my wrong, the Z9G is a great set, as are several other TV's. TV's definitely outdo projectors in a bright/average viewing environment, but in a dark room/batcave? The projector should shine.

Maybe all you just needed was a brighter, newer true 4K projector?

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Was the LS10000 PQ, brightness & contrast that unimpressive? I'm using a JVC NX7/rs2000 and yawn when I watch on a TV (Z9D, Z9G, OLED, you name it). The new advancements in tone-mapping is finally doing justice to bringing projectors back into the playing field for 4K HDR.
(can't wait for the new JVC "frame by frame" + "scene by scene" DTM firmware next month!)

Don't get my wrong, the Z9G is a great set, as are several other TV's. TV's definitely outdo projectors in a bright/average viewing environment, but in a dark room/batcave? The projector should shine.

Maybe all you just needed was a brighter, newer true 4K projector?
love(d) my epson ls10000, it is a wonderful projector, but once 4k hdr wcg dolby vision material really became available I quickly realized I wanted those features more than i cared about screen size.
I am fortunate enough to have 2 separate theater rooms, both with anthem 1120 receivers and similar atmos capable speaker systems, so when it came time to watch 4k content i would use my Samsung 78 inch UN78KS9500F and only watch 1080p blu ray content with the ls10000.

the biggest weakness of my projector based theater was the screen size - it was fine for most 1080p sdr content, but was incapable of getting bright enough with the screen size for 4k material, and struggled with brightness with some sdr content.

if i'd been willing to change my screen size and seating distance i'm sure if would have been a better/brighter experience overall, but i installed the 2.35 ratio 158 inch screen, & was too stubborn to change

and i'm not sure and projector on the market today (that i can afford) would do any better with my screen size and ratio.
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A 55 inch 8K television from Samsung makes no sense! I was hoping for A Sony 75 inch 8K LCD but maybe we will see something at CES 2020
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I bet the 98" is hand built, I also bet they will probably make about 100 thru out the year.
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I bet the 98" is hand built, I also bet they will probably make about 100 thru out the year.

And still only a 1 year warranty!
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Finally got to see one of these beasts in person today. My local BB has one on display now. Not the best demo loop to show it off properly, but I saw enough to be immediately impressed and mesmerized by the incredible brightness. Put the A8G and A9G beside it to shame on bright content. The tables quickly turned when dark content was on screen. Hard to tell in the store, but contrast/blacks looked to be roughly equal to the Z9F. Also hard to get a read on blooming control in a store setting.

That brightness though...HDR highlights to die for!!! If I could have taken home any TV in the store for free today, I’d have definitely chosen the 85” Z9G. That store also has the 98” 8K Q900 and 77” C9 OLED on display, so lots of eye candy to choose from.
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All this HDR talk. Man, I just wish there was a way to tweak HDR. I love the highlights on my Z9F, but overall I wish I could make the image dimmer. In doing so, I feel it would only further raise the contrast or "range" between the regular images and the bright "specular highlights," thus increasing the overall HDR effect... but alas, I'm sure I'm missing something as to why it doesn't work that way.

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Finally got to see one of these beasts in person today. My local BB has one on display now. Not the best demo loop to show it off properly, but I saw enough to be immediately impressed and mesmerized by the incredible brightness. Put the A8G and A9G beside it to shame on bright content. The tables quickly turned when dark content was on screen. Hard to tell in the store, but contrast/blacks looked to be roughly equal to the Z9F. Also hard to get a read on blooming control in a store setting.

That brightness though...HDR highlights to die for!!! If I could have taken home any TV in the store for free today, I’️d have definitely chosen the 85” Z9G. That store also has the 98” 8K Q900 and 77” C9 OLED on display, so lots of eye candy to choose from.
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In Europe price was originaly greater than US price by almost 5k$
Now I see a price drop in Eu for cca 3k$


Prices in US remained the same at 13k$?
What do you guys think why this EU price drop? why this big price difference between US and EU in the first place?

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Thank you for pointing out the obvious.

I wasn’t doing any in depth critical analysis by any means, but it was certainly easy enough to see how much brighter the Z9G was compared to all the other sets on display in that particular store. We all know that black performance is extremely hard to judge in a bright showroom setting, but again it was easy enough to spot the ‘obvious’ differences when comparing with the surrounding OLED’s and LED’s. As I said before, blooming was/is impossible to judge in that setting.

Take from it what you will. I’m just giving you my quick and dirty observations from a crappy demo loop on a BB showroom floor.

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Thank you for pointing out the obvious.

I wasn’️t doing any in depth critical analysis by any means, but it was certainly easy enough to see how much brighter the Z9G was compared to all the other sets on display in that particular store. We all know that black performance is extremely hard to judge in a bright showroom setting, but again it was easy enough to spot the ‘obvious’️ differences when comparing with the surrounding OLED’️s and LED’️s. As I said before, blooming was/is impossible to judge in that setting.

Take from it what you will. I’️m just giving you my quick and dirty observations from a crappy demo loop on a BB showroom floor.
Well not only that. Sometimes you can get hard pressed to get an associate to change content and run and get UHD discs to play for you if they are available?
The Mom and pop electronics store are much more accommodating and set up for display viewing.
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why this big price difference between US and EU in the first place?
Prices in Europe are normally higher than in US. European prices include the 21.3% V.A.T , much higher than in US. Prices here do not include tax, which depends on each region.

I was so happy without HDR...
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Thank you for pointing out the obvious.

I wasn’t doing any in depth critical analysis by any means, but it was certainly easy enough to see how much brighter the Z9G was compared to all the other sets on display in that particular store. We all know that black performance is extremely hard to judge in a bright showroom setting, but again it was easy enough to spot the ‘obvious’ differences when comparing with the surrounding OLED’s and LED’s. As I said before, blooming was/is impossible to judge in that setting.

Take from it what you will. I’m just giving you my quick and dirty observations from a crappy demo loop on a BB showroom floor.
Thanks for the info! 'cant seem to find these things at any store around me. I am also glad you compared it with other LED's before posting your findings. There have been reviews and videos supporting what you saw (good or bad). Sometimes we need to call a spade a spade, heck, this isn't an owners thread.
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Thank you for pointing out the obvious.

I wasn’t doing any in depth critical analysis by any means, but it was certainly easy enough to see how much brighter the Z9G was compared to all the other sets on display in that particular store. We all know that black performance is extremely hard to judge in a bright showroom setting, but again it was easy enough to spot the ‘obvious’ differences when comparing with the surrounding OLED’s and LED’s. As I said before, blooming was/is impossible to judge in that setting.

Take from it what you will. I’m just giving you my quick and dirty observations from a crappy demo loop on a BB showroom floor.


Agreed. Viewing angle is impressive too. Where it is in mine though it’s brighter so the oled in back actually looks as much “pop”

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Prices in Europe are normally higher than in US. European prices include the 21.3% V.A.T , much higher than in US. Prices here do not include tax, which depends on each region.
This make some sence, but than again price of Z9F wasn't like that - I believe EU prices were even lover than US if I remember correctly
I was thinking maybe"place of birth" of the TV makes a big thing because of shipping costs
What I really want to know is there Z9G price drop in US?

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Agreed. Viewing angle is impressive too. Where it is in mine though it’s brighter so the oled in back actually looks as much “pop”

Hi sjchmura
What are you waiting for? gonna pull the trigger or what? Imagine how would HZD look on Z9G
I will not even go to PS5 [email protected] HZD2 or LOU2
Ouh, now I realise Z9G only support input on HDMI4 [email protected] is this the reason you didn't pul the trigger?
And a few web pages after I'm not sure what is the truth about 8k specs on Z9G - in one place I see [email protected], in other [email protected], in third that sony do not say defintivelly cause HDMI2.1 standard isn't defined completely
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That brightness though...HDR highlights to die for!!! If I could have taken home any TV in the store for free today, I’d have definitely chosen the 85” Z9G. That store also has the 98” 8K Q900 and 77” C9 OLED on display, so lots of eye candy to choose from.
Ok...I was at BB again yesterday and I have to take back this above statement. I’d definitely take the 98” Q900 over the 85” Z9G. Taking a closer look at the Q900 yesterday, I have to go with size in this case. The added immersion from those extra 13” is just incredible and too much to pass up. Equal size though, it’s Z9G all day.

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Ok...I was at BB again yesterday and I have to take back this above statement. I’d definitely take the 98” Q900 over the 85” Z9G. Taking a closer look at the Q900 yesterday, I have to go with size in this case. The added immersion from those extra 13” is just incredible and too much to pass up. Equal size though, it’s Z9G all day.
So you're going with the 98" Z9G then?
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What are you waiting for? gonna pull the trigger or what? Imagine how would HZD look on Z9G
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So what is the truth? I know it's out there


It’s not HDMI2.1 which is a bummer for VRR. So will wait for z9h

Likely going to replace my (now with a yellow vertical line) Elite 70” with a 77” c9.

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It’s not HDMI2.1 which is a bummer for VRR. So will wait for z9h

Likely going to replace my (now with a yellow vertical line) Elite 70” with a 77” c9.



I know that some Samsungs support VRR on HDMI 2.0 - so not having complete 2.1 HDMI implementation isn't the reason for Z9G not to have VRR
I guess I hope it could be some firmware upgrade that could introduce VRR on Z9G
On CNET I read: "The new 8K sets also have full-spec HDMI 2.1 inputs complete with 48Gbps capability, which means they're compatible with higher frame rates and resolutions that could come down the pike soon, like 4K at 120 frames per second or 8K at 60fps. All 2019 Sony TVs support enhanced audio return channel (eARC) -- with the exception of the A8G.
Support for the other two major HDMI 2.1 features -- variable refresh rate (VRR) and automatic low latency mode (ALLM, or auto game mode) -- isn't final yet. A Sony representative says that once the HDMI 2.1 evaluation period is over, the company will be able to provide more information"


I would really like to have it also cause I'm afraid Z9H won't be around next year (or it will be without BMD like Z9F was)
If I have to choose between BMD and VRR I would pick BMD (I'm not as heavy gamer as you are)

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It’s not HDMI2.1 which is a bummer for VRR. So will wait for z9h

Likely going to replace my (now with a yellow vertical line) Elite 70” with a 77” c9.
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Any whispers on the next Sony 8K TV like a Z9H or something else for 2020?

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Wish Sony would get their stuff together.

Question then for people...looking to spec a 75"TV for a new condo. Was really hoping it would be the Z9G. 85" is almost a bit too big, but if it was worth it, would convince the wife it would fit in.

Soooo, if you were to not take the Z9G, would you take the Z9D or a 75" Q90?

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I went to a Sony-sponsored event today specifically for the A9G and Z9G and they were side-by-side playing the exact same 4k HDR content on loop...

Result: 0 buyer's remorse for the Z9G. In a dim (not dark) room, sitting next to the A9G, the Z9G's images appeared *lifelike* with its amazing HDR range causing the A9G to appear flat, dull and lower contrast. The overall PQ of the Z9G absolutely and completely blew the A9G out of the water. The A9G had far better viewing angles (of course) and perfect blacks - but I would not trade either of those things for what the Z9G is capable of. With properly-authored HDR content, the Z9G is a game-changer IMO!

The 8k looks super nice (hadn't actually seen any 8k content on my TV yet) but that didn't really factor into my purchasing decision.
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I'm on the lookout too.
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Hopefully their own iteration of an 8K mini-LED. The Z9G's price tag is just too high for the light bleed that's apparent.

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Hopefully their own iteration of an 8K mini-LED. The Z9G's price tag is just too high for the light bleed that's apparent.
Yeah, I'm really hoping for a Sony Mini LED albeit not in 8K but just plain old regular 4K.

Either that or a "true" BMD panel like the Z9D but definitely without the X-wide filter.
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You know x wide in magnolia is impressive . I do notice in my 75 z9 sitting 7 feet away the dimming at the edges. On my.43" Philips monitor it's obvious

Maybe the z9h will just have a better BMD like our z9d. In a dark room I can't go worse than the z9.

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I’m hoping for an LCD 75 inch panel in the next Z model

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