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Would you guys say it's a decent upgrade to a 65" Z9D in overall PQ? What are the pros and cons here?

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Ok...I was at BB again yesterday and I have to take back this above statement. I’d definitely take the 98” Q900 over the 85” Z9G. Taking a closer look at the Q900 yesterday, I have to go with size in this case. The added immersion from those extra 13” is just incredible and too much to pass up. Equal size though, it’s Z9G all day.
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Would you guys say it's a decent upgrade to a 65" Z9D in overall PQ? What are the pros and cons here?
This is a nitch piece, there are no reviews that I have seen. I would hope it is close, but the Z9D is hard to beat......
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Would you guys say it's a decent upgrade to a 65" Z9D in overall PQ? What are the pros and cons here?
I think one of the Z9G owners here also has a 75Z9D. I'm still waiting on a comparison user review actually.

The Z9D has the "real" BMD and no X-wide view, so that's already a pretty big advantage I think.
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I think one of the Z9G owners here also has a 75Z9D. I'm still waiting on a comparison user review actually.

The Z9D has the "real" BMD and no X-wide view, so that's already a pretty big advantage I think.

It really frustrating this lack of information - common you owners, share your knowledge
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It really frustrating this lack of information - common you owners, share your knowledge
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I'm interested on how the percieved debth of the picture relates to Z9D
I'm scared that native contrast could influence this and really would not want to go below Z9D standard
I hope that thanks to BMD (and despite wide angles) this will not be the case - can anybody confirm?
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On ign there is info about support for 4 HMDI2.1 inputs - but I think this is wrong - has anybody heard that Z9G got software update which upgrades all the HDMI inputs to 2.1?
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so, I'm about to order the 85" of this TV. I already have the 65z9d which I love. skipped the z9f and 950g. do the owners still happy with their purchase aside from the short comings of no 8k content and maybe the tv won't work fully when new HDMI std is released? ie, is this a premature release for 8k?
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I think one of the Z9G owners here also has a 75Z9D. I'm still waiting on a comparison user review actually.

The Z9D has the "real" BMD and no X-wide view, so that's already a pretty big advantage I think.
I would tend to agree, though there seems to be a little room for optimism.

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ZG9 retains the X-Wide Angle technology introduced - with not entirely happy results - on Sony’s ZF9 4K sets last year. Mercifully, Sony has this time managed to deliver its wide angle feature without dealing the sort of heavy blow to the screen’s general contrast that we witnessed with the ZF9.
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Happily, Sony’s viewing angle tech has much less of a negative impact on the Z9Gs black levels. Backlight blooming around flaming torches and candles in Exodus Chapter 7 is far less apparent. In fact, it’s handled particularly well during the most extreme light and dark shots, as in such instances the screen dims down the bright highlights to a level where they don’t need to trigger too much extraneous light in the darkness around them.
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Sony Z9G also has 'X-Wide Angle' that was first introduced in the disappointing Z9F where it reduced black levels significantly, and later in X950G where Sony had tweaked the balance between wide viewing angles and contrast reduction. Sony explains that the implementation in this 8K TV is similar to X950G but again tweaked somewhat. Nevertheless, the system still affects black levels. Contrast is higher than on X950G but not drastically.
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I would tend to agree, though there seems to be a little room for optimism.
And yet: "Nevertheless, the system still affects black levels".

Enough reason for me personally to pass...
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And yet: "Nevertheless, the system still affects black levels".

Enough reason for me personally to pass...
If you're that picky about black levels, you shouldn't be considering a FALD but one of the oleds like sony A9G. BTW, I saw the Z9G on demo, it looks bloody awesome when feeding it native 8K HDR demo content, the highlights burst off the screen, most impressive display of peak brightness on any consumer tv so far I've seen. And minor blooming is not an issue in a brightly lit viewing environment, only if you watched in a pitch black room would there be some cause for concern, otherwise not.
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If you're that picky about black levels, you shouldn't be considering a FALD but one of the oleds like sony A9G. BTW, I saw the Z9G on demo, it looks bloody awesome when feeding it native 8K HDR demo content, the highlights burst off the screen, most impressive display of peak brightness on any consumer tv so far I've seen. And minor blooming is not an issue in a brightly lit viewing environment, only if you watched in a pitch black room would there be some cause for concern, otherwise not.
It's not just that I'm being picky, it's the principle of sacrificing pq in favour of something like wider viewing angles that does it for me (personally).

OLED has other issues, but I still would like to have been able to add the A9G to my Sony household, but unfortunately I have run out of space (and wifey acceptance factor ).

But I have no doubt HDR looks amazing on the Z9G though! I hope I come across one in real life in a store sometime so I can enjoy it with my own eyes.
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so, I'm about to order the 85" of this TV. I already have the 65z9d which I love. skipped the z9f and 950g. do the owners still happy with their purchase aside from the short comings of no 8k content and maybe the tv won't work fully when new HDMI std is released? ie, is this a premature release for 8k?

I'm kinda in the same situation - but still haven't pulled the triger, I'm still thinking...
So I would appriciate any feedback when you buy it (compare 65Z9D & 85Z9G)

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A guy I follow on Twitter got his Z9G today and is not impressed with the black levels with hdr. Not sure if this is at his home or the shop he works at (he works at some type of TV store). Also not sure if he was later able to adjust his settings to help.
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That doesn't sound good for an expensive TV like that.
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That doesn't sound good for an expensive TV like that.
Not at all.

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A guy I follow on Twitter got his Z9G today and is not impressed with the black levels with hdr. Not sure if this is at his home or the shop he works at (he works at some type of TV store). Also not sure if he was later able to adjust his settings to help.
Damn that sucks. Sony got the black bars completely right with the x930E and Z9D.

They both look pitch black on my Disney+ app, wonder why this isn't the case for Z9G?
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I would blame this poor performance on that X-wide viewing angle technology that both Samsung and Sony seem to "have fallen in love" as applied to their current top-of-the-line sets.

I can understand that for some customers, specifically those with a larger family viewing audience, this X-wide tech might be desirable, but is the cost of much worse native contrast levels a fair trade ?

From the reviews i read on Rtings.com i was shocked seeing how much worse the native contrast level is if the set uses the X-wide tech and i for one would never/ever trade a much better native contrast level for a wider viewing angle, take your pick.

My Sony 940E has a pretty good viewing angle according to Rtings.com and excellent native contrast level of about 5.000:1 ( almost 12.000:1 using its FALD) whereas the Sony Z9F native contrast level is only 1.730:1 (3.379:1 using its FALD).

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I would blame this poor performance on that X-wide viewing angle technology that both Samsung and Sony seem to "have fallen in love" as applied to their current top-of-the-line sets.

I can understand that for some customers, specifically those with a larger family viewing audience, this X-wide tech might be desirable, but is the cost of much worse native contrast levels a fair trade ?

From the reviews i read on Rtings.com i was shocked seeing how much worse the native contrast level is if the set uses the X-wide tech and i for one would never/ever trade a much better native contrast level for a wider viewing angle, take your pick.

My Sony 940E has a pretty good viewing angle according to Rtings.com and excellent native contrast level of about 5.000:1 ( almost 12.000:1 using its FALD) whereas the Sony Z9F native contrast level is only 1.730:1 (3.379:1 using its FALD).


Too much brightness and not enough zones. 720 on an 85" is a step down from the 800 on the 75Z9D.

If tcl can do 1000 zones on a 75", neither Sony nor Samsung have any excuses. We'll likely see more mini led going forward though. The Dolby Pulsar Mastering Monitor has around 6000zones on a 42" panel.

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Well,

I've had the 85' Z9G for about a week now.

I was agonizing over Samsung or Sony. Ultimately went with the Sony for the peak brightness, as the tv will be in a large family room with a lot of windows. Happy owner of 2 LG OLED's and a 4k JVC projector. After a week, the Z9 may be my favorite, although the projector has a world-class sound system and dedicated room.

I'm really surprised at some of the negative reviews here. The native contrast ratio is a pittance relative to my other TV's, but the high-density pixels + the high-luminance variance I found makes a more compelling picture. Wish it had the inky blacks of my LG E8, but I wouldn't give up the picture quality for it. Frankly, it's the best picture I've ever seen from a television.
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@orbitzboy : How is the screen uniformity? any DSE? panning shots in sports (footbal, hockey..) are clean?

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Z9G Price Drop

I'm seeing this set seems to have moved down to $10K for the 85" version. I'm assuming this is because they aren't selling and/or because a new set will be announced at CES in 2 weeks. Does anyone have any inside info regarding Sony announcements @ CES 2020?
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I'm seeing this set seems to have moved down to $10K for the 85" version. I'm assuming this is because they aren't selling and/or because a new set will be announced at CES in 2 weeks. Does anyone have any inside info regarding Sony announcements @ CES 2020?
The Z9G was just released a few months ago. I highly doubt Sony would be announcing a replacement at CES. I just don't think any company would produce a flagship product with a lifespan of less than 6 months unless there was a major defect in it. If that were the case, they would not be trying to sell out remaining inventory knowing they would have to possibly RMA or repair it. That's just speculation on my part though. No real information to back up that claim.
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I'm seeing this set seems to have moved down to $10K for the 85" version. I'm assuming this is because they aren't selling and/or because a new set will be announced at CES in 2 weeks. Does anyone have any inside info regarding Sony announcements @ CES 2020?
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Initially I also thought no way a new flagship will be introduced in two weeks
But than again, if you think of it, Z9F was also on the market only 6months and Z9G was announced
Not the case with Z9D though
So if Z9G is a real flagship as Z9D was - than I dont think a new model will be introduced (there could be annoncement Z9G will receive update for full 2.1 HDMI compatibility)
But if it is like Z9F, not a real flagship, than maybe new model could be introduced (with full 2.1 HDMI)
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Initially I also thought no way a new flagship will be introduced in two weeks
But than again, if you think of it, Z9F was also on the market only 6months and Z9G was announced
Not the case with Z9D though
So if Z9G is a real flagship as Z9D was - than I dont think a new model will be introduced (there could be annoncement Z9G will receive update for full 2.1 HDMI compatibility)
But if it is like Z9F, not a real flagship, than maybe new model could be introduced (with full 2.1 HDMI)
I think there is a better chance they do announce new flagships because it’s been a year since the last announcement vs the 6 month you previously mentioned. I have a feeling the 8K panel’s could get smaller like 75 and 65 or maybe and 8K OLED and with all the other features you mentioned. They will then be in stores by the spring and summer.

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I'm kinda in the same situation - but still haven't pulled the triger, I'm still thinking...
So I would appriciate any feedback when you buy it (compare 65Z9D & 85Z9G)
After viewing it at Best Buy Magnolia room, I think I'll pass. I was ready to buy it at the new discounted price of $9,999. Of course the 4k demo of the red Ferrari 488 vs the yellow Lamborghini Huracan looks great. I wouldn't expect a demo clip to not look great.

So I had them put in a blu-ray low light scene -- Justice League was sufficient. Two things disappointed me immediately: 1) there was considerable noise in views of the cloudy skies, 2) light came through the letterbox areas. The noise dissipated somewhat (but not totally) by setting noise filters to high. We were able to get the letterbox areas darker with backlight and brightness settings, but not dark enough to my liking.

Sure, I'm spoiled with perfect blacks from the A1E and A9G sets I own. But, I would think the letterbox area on a FALD TV should be black, not dark grey like a conventionally backlit LED TV. Besides, I should not have to use extreme settings in the picture configuration to just come close.

In the end, I must say I was extremely disappointed. But hey, at least it saved me from spending $10k and being aggravated later. Although the Samsung Q900 has better blacks, there are many other things I don't like about that set. LG's Z9 is nice, but not at that price. So, it looks like I'll have to look forward to CES to see if next year's Micro LED sets are worthy.
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I think there is a better chance they do announce new flagships because it’s been a year since the last announcement vs the 6 month you previously mentioned. I have a feeling the 8K panel’s could get smaller like 75 and 65 or maybe and 8K OLED and with all the other features you mentioned. They will then be in stores by the spring and summer.
Perhaps, but 8k on a TV size less than 75" is a waste, just as 4k is a waste on a 55". But, there are people who spend money without regard to sensibility.

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