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unknownuser200 01-07-2019 05:55 PM

z9g
 

ray0414 01-07-2019 06:06 PM

85 and 98 only. Archer posted a picture on twitter and the blacks were not good.

thisbryanguy001 01-07-2019 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ray0414 (Post 57396106)
85 and 98 only. Archer posted a picture on twitter and the blacks were not good.

It actually has both X-Wide Angle and Backlight Master Drive which is strange because I would have thought that you can only have one or the other.

ray0414 01-07-2019 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by thisbryanguy001 (Post 57396128)
It actually has both X-Wide Angle and Backlight Master Drive which is strange because I would have thought that you can only have one or the other.

Well whatever they did, I wouldnt expect miracles. Should be a very set for the sizes though. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...7a9bf05dd2.jpg

75Q9FN* Panny UB824 fed into Oppo203*Denon X4200 * S9+*

MLM87 01-07-2019 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ray0414 (Post 57396106)
85 and 98 only. Archer posted a picture on twitter and the blacks were not good.

It's one pic, but sadly you're probably right. The x-wide is awful. However, the BMD should make up for it. The z9f has pretty bad pq because of x-wide and a lack of BMD tech.

Menarini 01-07-2019 06:39 PM

BMD is back in Sony's flagship 8K lcd, just like i suspected all along. Sony was never abandoning BMD. The Z9G/ZG9 will be sony's first lcd to combine BMD with X reality PRO and X1 Ultimate processor and be a native 8k tv.
ZD9 owners here is your true successor.

Cam1977 01-07-2019 06:40 PM

^if that's the case and they get back to what the ZD was...Sony has a winner here.

Menarini 01-07-2019 06:41 PM

It was only speculation by people and media that BMD couldn't be done with X Wide Angle, well sony has it. I'm getting from another forum this tv being 8k will have peak brightness much higher than 2000 nits, so a brighter tv than ZD9.

DJR662 01-07-2019 06:44 PM

Excited to hear more about this set.

A damn shame though Sony felt the need to include the X-wide view angle tech. That's something I don't need/want at all and it remains to be seen what effect it will have on the overall picture quality. If this is going the Z9F route again, then my interest in this set will quickly fade away.

MLM87 01-07-2019 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DJR662 (Post 57396294)
Excited to hear more about this set.

A damn shame though Sony felt the need to include the X-wide view angle tech. That's something I don't need/want at all and it remains to be seen what effect it will have on the overall picture quality. If this is going the Z9F route again, then my interest in this set will quickly fade away.

In terms of short term, x-wide is a problem. However, long term there's a pretty exciting future for Sony. CLEDIS looks amazing and it will be the next generation of LED tech. It will replace the Z series.

dominica 01-07-2019 06:46 PM

Some Good info from Prnewswire

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...300774276.html



"
MASTER Series Z9G 98" and 85" Class (97.5" and 84.6" diagonal) 8K LED TV Features

Sony's 8K to bring the creator's intent to life with a truly authentic experience by combining the brilliance of 8K HDR with Sony's unique MASTER Series philosophy
Picture Processor X1™ Ultimate and 8K X-Reality PRO – pictures are sharpened and refined in real time, and images are upscaled closer to true 8K quality using Sony's exclusive 8K database
Backlight Master Drive, a full-array LED backlight technology that combines ultra-dense, independently controlled LED modules tuned for 8K to deliver incredibly deep black, dazzling lights and more vibrant color
HDMI 2.1 that supports 8K resolution and 4K High Frame Rate in a single cable (requires firmware)
8K X-tended Dynamic Range™ PRO that delivers 20 times the contrast of Sony's conventional LED TVs without local dimming
Acoustic Multi-Audio by four front-facing speakers; with Sony's Sound-from-Picture Reality experience, action and sound are precisely aligned for a more immersive viewing experience
TV Center Speaker Mode, to make the TV the center speaker of a home theater system
X-Wide Angle feature minimizes the color change when seen from the side, giving you faithful shades and hue from wherever you watch the TV
X-Motion Clarity keeps fast action clear and smooth; moving images are precisely controlled to minimize blur and even during fast-moving scenes, pictures stay true with no loss in brightness
Netflix Calibrated Mode brings the creator's vision directly to the TV
IMAX Enhanced feature brings a fully immersive at-home entertainment experience on this TV that takes full advantage of IMAX Enhanced content
Dolby Vision™ brings scenes vividly to life for authentic viewing, while Dolby Atmos™ fills the room with immersive surround sound
Android TV with hands-free help from the Google Assistant enables you to find what you want simply by talking to the TV; ask your Google Assistant to help you play TV shows, movies and more
Easy to control smart remote – connect set-top boxes and other devices via HDMI to your TV and control them all using one smart remote; a slimmer, more rounded design with built-in voice control microphone and enhanced button layout makes it easy to use
New processor for stress-free usability and a quicker response when launching apps, powering on the TV and more "

MLM87 01-07-2019 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Menarini (Post 57396254)
BMD is back in Sony's flagship 8K lcd, just like i suspected all along. Sony was never abandoning BMD. The Z9G/ZG9 will be sony's first lcd to combine BMD with X reality PRO and X1 Ultimate processor and be a native 8k tv.
ZD9 owners here is your true successor.

It won't be a true successor if x-wide hurts the contrast. I hope you're right though.

Menarini 01-07-2019 06:47 PM

the tv will also have a 98" version, that is huge, will be interesting to see how much the 98 inch costs, the 100" ZD9 was priced out of most consumers.

MLM87 01-07-2019 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dominica (Post 57396308)
Some Good info from Prnewswire

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...300774276.html



"
MASTER Series Z9G 98" and 85" Class (97.5" and 84.6" diagonal) 8K LED TV Features

Sony's 8K to bring the creator's intent to life with a truly authentic experience by combining the brilliance of 8K HDR with Sony's unique MASTER Series philosophy
Picture Processor X1™ Ultimate and 8K X-Reality PRO – pictures are sharpened and refined in real time, and images are upscaled closer to true 8K quality using Sony's exclusive 8K database
Backlight Master Drive, a full-array LED backlight technology that combines ultra-dense, independently controlled LED modules tuned for 8K to deliver incredibly deep black, dazzling lights and more vibrant color
HDMI 2.1 that supports 8K resolution and 4K High Frame Rate in a single cable (requires firmware)
8K X-tended Dynamic Range™ PRO that delivers 20 times the contrast of Sony's conventional LED TVs without local dimming
Acoustic Multi-Audio by four front-facing speakers; with Sony's Sound-from-Picture Reality experience, action and sound are precisely aligned for a more immersive viewing experience
TV Center Speaker Mode, to make the TV the center speaker of a home theater system
X-Wide Angle feature minimizes the color change when seen from the side, giving you faithful shades and hue from wherever you watch the TV
X-Motion Clarity keeps fast action clear and smooth; moving images are precisely controlled to minimize blur and even during fast-moving scenes, pictures stay true with no loss in brightness
Netflix Calibrated Mode brings the creator's vision directly to the TV
IMAX Enhanced feature brings a fully immersive at-home entertainment experience on this TV that takes full advantage of IMAX Enhanced content
Dolby Vision™ brings scenes vividly to life for authentic viewing, while Dolby Atmos™ fills the room with immersive surround sound
Android TV with hands-free help from the Google Assistant enables you to find what you want simply by talking to the TV; ask your Google Assistant to help you play TV shows, movies and more
Easy to control smart remote – connect set-top boxes and other devices via HDMI to your TV and control them all using one smart remote; a slimmer, more rounded design with built-in voice control microphone and enhanced button layout makes it easy to use
New processor for stress-free usability and a quicker response when launching apps, powering on the TV and more "


https://www.sony.com/electronics/tel...xbr-z9g-series
Here's official info.

Menarini 01-07-2019 06:49 PM

These features quoted from the above post are big

Backlight Master Drive, a full-array LED backlight technology that combines ultra-dense, independently controlled LED modules tuned for 8K to deliver incredibly deep black, dazzling lights and more vibrant color
HDMI 2.1 that supports 8K resolution and 4K High Frame Rate in a single cable (requires firmware)
8K X-tended Dynamic Range™ PRO that delivers 20 times the contrast of Sony's conventional LED TVs without local dimming
Acoustic Multi-Audio by four front-facing speakers; with Sony's Sound-from-Picture Reality experience, action and sound are precisely aligned for a more immersive viewing experience
TV Center Speaker Mode, to make the TV the center speaker of a home theater system

.
So BMD, hdmi 2.1 and acoustic surface audio for the first time on a sony lcd, until now it's only been available on sony oleds.

DJR662 01-07-2019 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MLM87 (Post 57396320)
It won't be a true successor if x-wide hurts the contrast.

This.

I hope Sony has figured it out though for this set. But IMHO they should have just left it out all together...

jwb1 01-07-2019 06:59 PM

8k is rather pointless.

DJR662 01-07-2019 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwb1 (Post 57396390)
8k is rather pointless.

It is but hey, what can you do?

It was to be expected these would be 8K.

MLM87 01-07-2019 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ray0414 (Post 57396174)
Well whatever they did, I wouldnt expect miracles. Should be a very set for the sizes though. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...7a9bf05dd2.jpg

75Q9FN* Panny UB824 fed into Oppo203*Denon X4200 * S9+*

There's a bit of bloom in that pic, but yet its possible the local dimming isn't on medium or something. Also, we can't judge one pic. Archer should have a first impressions article this week. The beaming tech on the BMD will hopefully make this set worthwhile.

Marco Giubin 01-07-2019 07:08 PM

My guess is at least 15k for the 85" at launch and 20-30k for the 98" given that they are also 8k. Won't be seeing people but these for at least a couple of years. Still glad I got the 75Z9D at a discounted price. Maybe in 5-6 years 98" will be in the 5-7k range.

ray0414 01-07-2019 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Menarini (Post 57396264)
It was only speculation by people and media that BMD couldn't be done with X Wide Angle, well sony has it. I'm getting from another forum this tv being 8k will have peak brightness much higher than 2000 nits, so a brighter tv than ZD9.


Backlight master drive might soon be outdated, TCL just announced they are going to have an 8k tv with Mini-led in 75"sizes and larger.. Vincent Teoh just posted a video about it, but I don't see any threads on avs about it yet.

jwb1 01-07-2019 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwb1 (Post 57396390)
8k is rather pointless.

Give me more zones and native contrast, over 8k.

bobbino421 01-07-2019 07:19 PM

No 75 inch means no Z9G for me 85 is to large for my space I guess I’m going 77 A9G! I already have the 55 A9F and the picture is phenomenal!

MLM87 01-07-2019 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ray0414 (Post 57396462)
Backlight master drive might soon be outdated, TCL just announced they are going to have an 8k tv with Mini-led in 75"sizes and larger.. Vincent Teoh just posted a video about it, but I don't see any threads on avs about it yet.

Yes, but Sony will replace the z series with CLEDIS. Maybe as early as next year. Most likely two years though. BMD is amazing though.

ray0414 01-07-2019 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MLM87 (Post 57396536)
Yes, but Sony will replace the z series with CLEDIS. Maybe as early as next year. Most likely two years though. BMD is amazing though.


It's a good backlight system, but the contrast of the panel plays an important role. Alot of people who owned both the Z9D and 940e, preferred the picture of the 940e because of its higher native contrast picture despite using a traditional backlight system.

Ice Cold 01-07-2019 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwb1 (Post 57396480)
Give me more zones and native contrast, over 8k.


They won’t even list how many Zones. I’ll bet it’s not as many as Vizios 480 Zones.

Vizio Owns the Mid Tier LED TV Market in 2019

Samsung and Sony have decided to guy Ultra High end 8K

And LG has launched its best 4K OLEDs with HDMI 2.1

MLM87 01-07-2019 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ray0414 (Post 57396574)
It's a good backlight system, but the contrast of the panel plays an important role. Alot of people who owned both the Z9D and 940e, preferred the picture of the 940e because of its higher native contrast picture despite using a traditional backlight system.

Z9d has better black levels than the x940e. X940e struggles a little more with haloing. However, it would be nice to have an alternative to the BMD. That's where CLEDIS comes along.

gomo657 01-07-2019 07:52 PM

z9g
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ice Cold (Post 57396592)
They won’t even list how many Zones. I’ll bet it’s not as many as Vizios 480 Zones.



Vizio Owns the Mid Tier LED TV Market in 2019



Samsung and Sony have decided to guy Ultra High end 8K



And LG has launched its best 4K OLEDs with HDMI 2.1



And why are we discussing Wally World Vizio here?smh

Marco Giubin 01-07-2019 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gomo657 (Post 57396680)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ice Cold (Post 57396592)
They won’t even list how many Zones. I’ll bet it’s not as many as Vizios 480 Zones.



Vizio Owns the Mid Tier LED TV Market in 2019



Samsung and Sony have decided to guy Ultra High end 8K



And LG has launched its best 4K OLEDs with HDMI 2.1



And why are we discussing Wally World Vizio here?smh

Underrate TCL at your peril. My prediction is that within a few years they could own the premium segment too. They are a Chinese company that doesn't care about returns. TV business for Samsung and Sony is a rounding error that doesn't make much money.

New_to_4K 01-07-2019 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ray0414 (Post 57396174)
Well whatever they did, I wouldnt expect miracles. Should be a very set for the sizes though. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...7a9bf05dd2.jpg

75Q9FN* Panny UB824 fed into Oppo203*Denon X4200 * S9+*

Wait, is this Q9FN? Looks very vibrant.


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