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If I am reading this right, Sony isn't competing against the Q90R with the 950G, but rather, they use their master series to take on the Q90?

It seems like the 950G is more of less equivalent to the Q70?
I would think so. The Q70 and the 950G are priced the same. Plus I think dimming zones are probably close too
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I would think so. The Q70 and the 950G are priced the same. Plus I think dimming zones are probably close too
It looks that new q70 is very similar to current q8fn in many areas.

https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sa...fn-q8f-q8-2018
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It looks that new q70 is very similar to current q8fn in many areas.

https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sa...fn-q8f-q8-2018
I have read every post in this thread and have come to the conclusion that I don't have a clue what to think about the 950G.
I know it is not really released to the public en masse and been reviewed properly but man, the posts that state "...This set is better or I will buy this instead..." makes me think that some of these
comments are made by representatives of other tv manufacturers.
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Thanks guys for the many various reasons not to head into LG OLED. I didn't realize that size was restricted; I didn't realize that gaming was impacted by the technology, etc. I only knew of the burn-in (which scares me off of OLED because it seems like every channel now has logo always showing, and I don't even want to think about such an issue), and I knew that OLED's weren't quite as bright as (especially) the 930E and (hopefully) the 950G. Thanks for educating me.
The LG OLED C8 (and virtually all of the LG OLED 8 Series) have a logo dimmer. Were you aware of that? It is a logo problem mitigator. It works by dimming anything "static" (e.g. logos, s\tickers, score boards, etc.)
So I think that your fear of logos is no longer valid. I would be more concerned with 2:35 boxes.

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This loses credibility F A S T...there was NO X950F"

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https://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/n/Sony-to...-UK-Next-Month

Spotlight:

"The new X950G series of 4K resolution is the best range of LCD TVs from Sony"

"Sony seems confident that its new line will continue to be a best seller"

"The company said that the 2019 X950G models improve last year's X950F series in a number of ways, with superior viewing angles on larger models, improved sound system and HDMI eARC among other improvements" I expect contrast, black level improved and, if possible, an increase of at least 20% brightness
LOL...well, THAT loses credibility F A S T as there was NO X950F.
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Ahh, no.

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That is correct. It looks that 65'' x95g is just a minor upgrade of x900f, mainly faster android, two extra speakers etc. Newer processor (Ultimate) doesn't provide better PQ. Here in Europe I can get 65'' x900f for 1750 euro. Sony wants 2800 euro for 65 x95g. It is ridiculous. If android was faster on x900g I wouldn't event wait for reviews of x95g.
Sooo, how did you conclude THAT ? That is not necessarily correct.
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The LG OLED C8 (and virtually all of the LG OLED 8 Series) have a logo dimmer. Were you aware of that? It is a logo problem mitigator. It works by dimming anything "static" (e.g. logos, s\tickers, score boards, etc.)
So I think that your fear of logos is no longer valid. I would be more concerned with 2:35 boxes.
Wolv, no, I wasn't actually aware of that. Thanks for clueing me in.

My problem is my family; they are constantly putting the TV on some cable channel and then 20 minutes later just leaving the house with the TV on. That's why I am very concerned about burn-in. I was thinking that it might just be safer and easier to simply buy an LCD TV rather than trying to break my family's bad habits. Haha. Have you ever tried telling your kids things like, "hey, when you leave the house, turn off the heat/AC, turn off the lights in your room, turn off the TV"? In my case, they just don't listen! I was worried that after a year or two, my TV screen would look like a patchwork of CNN, Food Network, HGTV, BBC, QVC logos!

But thanks for letting me know about the logo dimmer; I had not come across that technology...
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Sooo, how did you conclude THAT ? That is not necessarily correct.

I concluded that from the performance and detailed reviews of ZF9 which is equipped with Ultimate processor. Reviewers of the ZF9 haven't noticed any major improvement of PQ due to faster processor, maybe apart from a little bit better scaling which is really hard to notice.

If you have more info on that topic I would be very interested to read more about it. I seriously considered x95g until I saw prices (in Europe). If x95g costs the same as ZF9 in 65 then the choice is obvious.
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It looks that new q70 is very similar to current q8fn in many areas.

https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sa...fn-q8f-q8-2018
login with the epp samsung trick (at least today idk if preorder bonus) and the Q80R is almost head to head with the X950G price.

EDIT: I mean't Q80R not Q8FN. It's even cheaper than Sony's X950G and will have the new samsung anti-glare filter and ultra wide angle that's not as bad as Sony's. Well, supposedly anyway.

Not sure if the samsung epp prices are current price mistakes. It's so cheap.

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login with the epp samsung trick (at least today idk if preorder bonus) and the Q8FN is almost head to head with the X950G price.
Shows how good the X950G price is then , especially if you are looking at retail price of the X950G
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Shows how good the X950G price is then , especially if you are looking at retail price of the X950G
Price is good for sure, but if PQ is like 900F, I'll pass.
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Pretty sure the Z9F, which is Sony's flagship **4K** display, will remain an option for another year, at least..
Sort of like the Z9D which they just finally killed off at the same time they announced this X950.

That's crazy that the X950 is so close to the Z9F price wise in Europe (from what you guys are saying). Here the Z9F is at least twice as much!

Ugh, I'm still mad at Sony for telling me that the Z9D was still being manufactured. After scouring the 'net for over a month I gave up and chocked it up to either a blatant lie or more likely ignorance/lack of work ethic. It's definitely annoying that they list the Z9D and 930/940 as current models on their website. What.. because one random warehouse in Albuquerque has one hidden in the corner? le sigh

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Anyway, I'm still excited for this TV. For the price, it's solid.

Some actually want X-Wide. For PQ/black levels the obvious choice is OLED. These are living room TV's, not theatre TV's (not that they can't work there). Can't have it all, guys.

I just wish it had HDMI 2.1, lol. I'd buy it if so. In my eyes though, I don't think it's worth the price premium over a currently heavily discounted X900. YMMV, especially as we wait for "real" reviews.

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Anyway, I'm still excited for this TV. For the price, it's solid.

Some actually want X-Wide. For PQ/black levels the obvious choice is OLED. These are living room TV's, not theatre TV's (not that they can't work there). Can't have it all, guys.

I just wish it had HDMI 2.1, lol. I'd buy it if so. In my eyes though, I don't think it's worth the price premium over a currently heavily discounted X900. YMMV, especially as we wait for "real" reviews.
Heavily discounted? I'm not seeing it. The 85 inch Sony 900f has been stuck at the same price for months now.
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Shows how good the X950G price is then , especially if you are looking at retail price of the X950G
MY BAD! I meant Q80R! Might be better to gamble with that instead of the closely priced X950G.

Might be a preorder discount.
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MY BAD! I meant Q80R! Might be better to gamble with that instead of the closely priced X950G.

Might be a preorder discount.
The 65" Q70r costs the same as the 65" X950G. The Q80r costs $600 more.
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The 65" Q70r costs the same as the 65" X950G. The Q80r costs $600 more.
You are correct when it comes to MSRP. However, there are some deals referenced in "LCD Flat Panel Great Found Deals!" which may be what the poster is referencing. I know you can't discuss pricing other than MSRP in this section, but hopefully a reference to the other section of the forum is okay.
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...What are the major changes that warrant a replacement A9G so soon after the release of the A9F?...
Isn't it obvious, feedback from the kick stand design. The form factor of the A8G looks promising (as in minimal clutter) and will be one of the models I'll be keeping an eye on.

Of course I'm also interested in the X95G.

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Isn't it obvious, feedback from the kick stand design. The form factor of the A8G looks promising (as in minimal clutter) and will be one of the models I'll be keeping an eye on.

Of course I'm also interested in the X95G.
I don’t buy that...given that they had plenty of feedback from the A1E crowd long before they ever released the A9F.

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I gave up with x95g. Bought 65 x900f yesterday. I don't want to spend 700 Euro more (in Europe) just to have faster Android. Other new features and not important to me much and don't justify HUGE price difference comparing to x900f. I envy you US prices
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I don’t buy that...given that they had plenty of feedback from the A1E crowd long before they ever released the A9F.
Well don't then. Manufacturers replace televisions after a just a couple of months with the only change being the form factor all the time. At the 6:35 mark


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Pretty sure the Z9F, which is Sony's flagship **4K** display, will remain an option for another year, at least..
Sort of like the Z9D which they just finally killed off at the same time they announced this X950.

That's crazy that the X950 is so close to the Z9F price wise in Europe (from what you guys are saying). Here the Z9F is at least twice as much!

Ugh, I'm still mad at Sony for telling me that the Z9D was still being manufactured. After scouring the 'net for over a month I gave up and chocked it up to either a blatant lie or more likely ignorance/lack of work ethic. It's definitely annoying that they list the Z9D and 930/940 as current models on their website. What.. because one random warehouse in Albuquerque has one hidden in the corner? le sigh
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Well don't then. Manufacturers replace televisions after a just a couple of months with the only change being the form factor all the time. At the 6:35 mark

https://youtu.be/ogZVpUOQP0o?t=399
We will have to agree to disagree. Obviously they had their reasons for releasing the new model, but I personally believe that it had very little to do with the kickstand.

Either way, more choice for the consumer is a good thing. My point in that earlier discussion you quoted was referring more to the technical advancement of OLED panels, or lack there of, anyway. Cosmetics and other non picture related features is a whole other topic.

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This guy makes some very good points. Basically, he puts forth that the 950G is simply the 900F with the added "Ultimate" processor and perhaps "better" sound. I'm sure that some of us (at least me) don't rely on a TV's internal sound; I've got everything routed through a nice Yamaha receiver that sends audio out to a nice 5:1 setup I have at my house. So, I don't have any use for updated audio, at least at this point in my life.

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Another article just popped up claiming that the 950G will be in stores on March 12.

https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-t...19-tv-pricing/
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EXCERPT
This guy makes some very good points. Basically, he puts forth that the 950G is simply the 900F with the added "Ultimate" processor and perhaps "better" sound. I'm sure that some of us (at least me) don't rely on a TV's internal sound; I've got everything routed through a nice Yamaha receiver that sends audio out to a nice 5:1 setup I have at my house. So, I don't have any use for updated audio, at least at this point in my life.
The reviewer missed Sony notation that says not all screen sizes have the wide angle viewing feature.

To his credit, he does mention the "excellent Ultimate processor" more than once.

If I was in the market for a Sony 65", the "excellent Ultimate processor" would be worth the extra money.

Reviewer's potty mouth at the end wasn't necessary. He made his points, though mischaracterized somewhat.

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This guy makes some very good points. Basically, he puts forth that the 950G is simply the 900F with the added "Ultimate" processor and perhaps "better" sound. I'm sure that some of us (at least me) don't rely on a TV's internal sound; I've got everything routed through a nice Yamaha receiver that sends audio out to a nice 5:1 setup I have at my house. So, I don't have any use for updated audio, at least at this point in my life.
This guy is an imbecile. Please don't lower the bar so much by forwarding his juvenile agenda.

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This guy makes some very good points. Basically, he puts forth that the 950G is simply the 900F with the added "Ultimate" processor and perhaps "better" sound. I'm sure that some of us (at least me) don't rely on a TV's internal sound; I've got everything routed through a nice Yamaha receiver that sends audio out to a nice 5:1 setup I have at my house. So, I don't have any use for updated audio, at least at this point in my life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-jUfJDpHZ0
He is the worst source for info on youtube and is intentionally controversial for clicks. He doesn't get any inside info nor is he a professional calibrator as he claims. Doesn't get into any CES rooms not visible to the general crowd.
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He is the worst source for info on youtube and is intentionally controversial for clicks. He doesn't get any inside info nor is he a professional calibrator as he claims. Doesn't get into any CES rooms not visible to the general crowd.
You mean browsing Sony's website isn't consider inside info
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What I found most interesting (haha, realizing that everyone's mileage may vary), is that the 950G looks identical in every way to the 900F. Perhaps Sony hasn't updated the photos of the 950G and instead just copy and pasted the 900F? AND, perhaps they've also not updated the Full Specifications on their website, which currently show the exact same dimensions and weight of the two products? I mean, the 930E is nearly double the weight of the same size 900F/950G according to their site, so we know that a major hardware change came between the 930E and the 900F. But the 900F and 950G seem to be physically identical.

Moreover, he's right in so much as the Sony websites for each of those 2 products list pretty much exactly the same "features" and specs, with the exception of the Ultimate chip (perhaps a major step forward or perhaps not really?), the differing audio approach (I wonder if this could truly be housed in exactly the same shell?), and the Nexflix upgrade (if you can call it that).

I guess perhaps some of you are thinking that the inclusion of the Ultimate chip will make a very noticeable difference in the picture quality. I'd love that to be the case. But, I do think that the guy is on point with the things I just mentioned.

PS. I hope everyone saw my link that showed an in-store date of 3/12. So reviews must be coming soon, wouldn't you think?

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