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PS. I hope everyone saw my link that showed an in-store date of 3/12. So reviews must be coming soon, wouldn't you think?
Amazon already has their page up for it, but showing "Temporarily out of stock". I caught it go live a few days ago and there was not any stock then so I assume it is a preorder place holder. I was about to buy a 75" 900F, but I would not mind getting some slightly better features out of a newer set.
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I love how the guy downplayed the performance gain of the Ultimate Processor and X Wide Angle screen.

I don't think he is wrong on the surface, I think Sony got greedy and/or lazy, they packaged up the 900F with a new chipset and new screen tech.

But I will hold my judgement until legit reviews leak.
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Really debating taking my 900f back. I have till March 5th to return. I'm only planning to get the 65 x95g so any wide angle would be neglected anyways.

$500 more for basically earc, x1 ultimate chip, DV dark/ light, netflix mode, and a new speaker setup Hmmmm....

Doesnt sound worth it. The new speaker setup is neglected as well as my tv is plugged into my Denon x3400 anyways.

But watching The Greatest Showman... I noticed huge blooming in the black bars during the scenes..... so I'm still hoping the x95g would be better...

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Really debating taking my 900f back. I have till March 5th to return. I'm only planning to get the 65 x95g so any wide angle would be neglected anyways.

$500 more for basically earc, x1 ultimate chip, DV dark/ light, netflix mode, and a new speaker setup Hmmmm....

Doesnt sound worth it. The new speaker setup is neglected as well as my tv is plugged into my Denon x3400 anyways.

But watching The Greatest Showman... I noticed huge blooming in the black bars during the scenes..... so I'm still hoping the x95g would be better...

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Always wondered what happens to tv's that are returned?
Do you know?
Are they sent to the factory and cleaned up and re-packaged?
Open Box sale?
I can't think they do the open box sales that often because I rarely see one for sale like that at BB or other big box stores.
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The 65" Q70r costs the same as the 65" X950G. The Q80r costs $600 more.
Samsung usually have a higher price over Sony when you compare apple's to apple's in the mid tear product line up.
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I think most of us realize the X95G is essentially a next generation X900F and as such they'll be very similar. And the X95G being a 2019 model will be more expensive than the outgoing 2018 900F model. Sony is not screwing anyone over or being lazy as most of the time next generation models are evolutionary rather than revolutionary improvements.

As for what improvements the Ultimate Processor brings I came up three potential benefits

1) Better upscaling
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You are correct when it comes to MSRP. However, there are some deals referenced in "LCD Flat Panel Great Found Deals!" which may be what the poster is referencing. I know you can't discuss pricing other than MSRP in this section, but hopefully a reference to the other section of the forum is okay.
This.

Q80R 65 inch is cheaper than Sony 65 X950G but I'm only interested with Q80R's wide angle. Really hate gamma/color shift on VA panels and I'm willing to trade deep darks for that. Don't want no oled, too expensive for the size and too many quirks.
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First full review 75X95G - https://www.lesnumeriques.com/tv-tel...1053/test.html

Looks like completely identical results with XF9005 but with wider viewing angles.

If information about 60 zones is correct it's real joke from Sony.
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You are correct when it comes to MSRP. However, there are some deals referenced in "LCD Flat Panel Great Found Deals!" which may be what the poster is referencing. I know you can't discuss pricing other than MSRP in this section, but hopefully a reference to the other section of the forum is okay.
This.

Q80R 65 inch is cheaper than Sony 65 X950G but I'm only interested with Q80R's wide angle. Really hate gamma/color shift on VA panels and I'm willing to trade deep darks for that. Don't want no oled, too expensive for the size and too many quirks.
until this is likewise discounted. Anyway, why not an IPS panel then? The 850f is less than half the price of these two models.
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First full review 75X95G - https://www.lesnumeriques.com/tv-tel...1053/test.html

Looks like completely identical results with XF9005 but with wider viewing angles.

If information about 60 zones is correct it's real joke from Sony.

Taking into account that the 75 "model has a new vision technology and only 60 control zones, a performance ratio is not that bad. It's actually far superior to the Z9F

Now, what is needed to see the contrast between the 55 and 65 "versions that do not have a vision technology that disrupts this contrast.

Note: the peak brightness rose more than 100 nits compared to the X900F
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It's actually far superior to the Z9F
No way. Z9F is winner in contrast and dimming zones numbers.
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No way. Z9F is winner in contrast and dimming zones numbers.
yes, but I speak in terms of proportion between the light control zones.
Too bad the X95G does not have the same amount of control zones as Z9F
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The 930 weighed more because the power supply was internal, the extra material needed for the unique local dimming system and the structure to support that stuff. The 950 actually weighs less that the 900f so they are clearly not the same set with different chips. Meaningless observation and like QO, you are connecting dots that aren't there (yet).

Besides, the new chip set did seem to help the Z9F picture quality which all thought great other than the blooming which it obviously a non related issue.

Looks similar to the 900f but with better processing and viewing angle. Note that it has a normal VA contrast ratio in the 75 (slightly better than the 900f tested by the same source) along with the added dispersion. That this set offers better processing speed and dispersion than a 900f at a lower intro price should be applauded, not disparidged. Basically, it's the lowest priced LCD with good dispersion and blacks. It may or may not be as good overall as a Samsung 80R but it's priced like the 70R which has even fewer zones and no added dispersion. It still has the top motion and if history is an indicator, FALD control and processing in the industry until proven otherwise. We'll need to wait and see how all the new sets fall out. Vive la difference.
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[QUOTE=js950;57655406]The 950 actually weighs less that the 900f so they are clearly not the same set with different chips. Meaningless observation and like QO you are connecting dots that aren't there (yet).

I was actually looking only in the set size in which I am interested, the 55", which is listed at exactly the same weight with stand as the 900F. I hadn't noticed that the other sizes had different weights. Sorry about that!
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The 930 weighed more because the power supply was internal, the extra material needed for the unique local dimming system and the structure to support that stuff. The 950 actually weighs less that the 900f so they are clearly not the same set with different chips. Meaningless observation and like QO, you are connecting dots that aren't there (yet).

Besides, the new chip set did seem to help the Z9F picture quality which all thought great other than the blooming which it obviously a non related issue.

Looks similar to the 900f but with better processing and viewing angle. Note that it has a normal VA contrast ratio in the 75 (slightly better than the 900f tested by the same source) along with the added dispersion. That this set offers better processing speed and dispersion than a 900f at a lower intro price should be applauded, not disparidged. Basically, it's the lowest priced LCD with good dispersion and blacks. It may or may not be as good overall as a Samsung 80R but it's priced like the 70R which has even fewer zones and no added dispersion. It still has the top motion and if history is an indicator, FALD control and processing in the industry until proven otherwise. We'll need to wait and see how all the new sets fall out. Vive la difference.
Well said. I need to separate the idea that Sony is playing in the mid range and ultra high range, Samsung is bringing a mid, high, and ultra high to the table this year.

Without reviews, it seems like the hierarchy should look something like this from top performance to low (75" models):

Q90R ~Z9F/Z9G?
Q80R
x950G ~ Q70R
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Q60R?

Two potential points:

1. So if the 950G is only slightly better than the x900F, you can get the x900F for $1250 less right now so whats the x% worth to you.

2. Samsung is either selling you legit features or gimmick features at a very high cost. If it turns legit, the Q80R should have no competition from Sony, and maybe something from Vizio with the Quantum X.

Based on subjective opinions in this thread, it seems like the x900F is the real value and it should be around half the cost of the next step up which is the Q80. Obviously, we need to wait and see how reviews shake out and what Vizio brings to the table.
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Well said. I need to separate the idea that Sony is playing in the mid range and ultra high range, Samsung is bringing a mid, high, and ultra high to the table this year.

Without reviews, it seems like the hierarchy should look something like this from top performance to low (75" models):

Q90R ~Z9F/Z9G?
Q80R
x950G ~ Q70R
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Q60R?

Two potential points:

1. So if the 950G is only slightly better than the x900F, you can get the x900F for $1250 less right now so whats the x% worth to you.

2. Samsung is either selling you legit features or gimmick features at a very high cost. If it turns legit, the Q80R should have no competition from Sony, and maybe something from Vizio with the Quantum X.

Based on subjective opinions in this thread, it seems like the x900F is the real value and it should be around half the cost of the next step up which is the Q80. Obviously, we need to wait and see how reviews shake out and what Vizio brings to the table.
Unless viewing angle is a concern, in which case the 900F is terrible. I wonder if this is more of an issue for people coming from plasma and that those who have owned LCDs for a while are just used to the color shifting, dulled blacks, and contrast falloff as you move off angle. For me its a complete non-starter if the picture degrades so severely off angle. I'd probably take the 850F over the 900F for this reason even though its inferior in all other respects. I only wish the 65" 950G came with x-wide too.
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Well said. I need to separate the idea that Sony is playing in the mid range and ultra high range, Samsung is bringing a mid, high, and ultra high to the table this year.

Without reviews, it seems like the hierarchy should look something like this from top performance to low (75" models):

Q90R ~Z9F/Z9G?
Q80R
x950G ~ Q70R
x900F
Q60R?

Two potential points:

1. So if the 950G is only slightly better than the x900F, you can get the x900F for $1250 less right now so whats the x% worth to you.

2. Samsung is either selling you legit features or gimmick features at a very high cost. If it turns legit, the Q80R should have no competition from Sony, and maybe something from Vizio with the Quantum X.

Based on subjective opinions in this thread, it seems like the x900F is the real value and it should be around half the cost of the next step up which is the Q80. Obviously, we need to wait and see how reviews shake out and what Vizio brings to the table.
Agree with all that but at 75" on the 950, it appears that you get a wide viewing angle without a loss of direct viewing contrast ratio and Sony is still motion king so will still have market. Prices will also drop to be more competitive with the 900f and follow what the 900f did last year.
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Unless viewing angle is a concern, in which case the 900F is terrible. I wonder if this is more of an issue for people coming from plasma and that those who have owned LCDs for a while are just used to the color shifting, dulled blacks, and contrast falloff as you move off angle. For me its a complete non-starter if the picture degrades so severely off angle. I'd probably take the 850F over the 900F for this reason even though its inferior in all other respects. I only wish the 65" 950G came with x-wide too.
Does viewing angle degrade would include from all angles correct? So if you mount it high above a fireplace and tilt it downward, if it is not completely level with your eyes then the image would degrade?
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Does viewing angle degrade would include from all angles correct? So if you mount it high above a fireplace and tilt it downward, if it is not completely level with your eyes then the image would degrade?
Vertical viewing angles is still in question but generally not something that can't be corrected in room. Folks tend to sit in one narrow horizontal plane.
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Vertical viewing angles is still in question but generally not something that can't be corrected in room. Folks tend to sit in one narrow horizontal plane.
I see... technically, I always sit dead center with the TV for the most part. However, I am just not certain that I have the TV angled downward properly at my eyes.

Sounds like x wide would be more for people sitting off to the sides.
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Well...the Q9FN could not compete with the 900F in almost every area for me, so this year Samsung had better bring something special to the table. Sony is still light years ahead on the image processing side.


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I just went to my local store and looked at the 75 Q9 and the 85 X900F. Q9 was playing "Solo" and X900F was playing "Ready Player One".

On the Q9, there is a scene where they are chasing Han by vehicle and the Q9 made it look really choppy and jittery. I felt like it was skipping frames almost.

X900F in the race scene on RP1 looked incredible.

Is this normal differences between Samsung and Sony?

Honestly, I am considering just picking up the x900F, maybe even just snag the 85 if it goes lower.
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The 930 weighed more because the power supply was internal, the extra material needed for the unique local dimming system and the structure to support that stuff. The 950 actually weighs less that the 900f so they are clearly not the same set with different chips. Meaningless observation and like QO, you are connecting dots that aren't there (yet).

Besides, the new chip set did seem to help the Z9F picture quality which all thought great other than the blooming which it obviously a non related issue.

Looks similar to the 900f but with better processing and viewing angle. Note that it has a normal VA contrast ratio in the 75 (slightly better than the 900f tested by the same source) along with the added dispersion. That this set offers better processing speed and dispersion than a 900f at a lower intro price should be applauded, not disparidged. Basically, it's the lowest priced LCD with good dispersion and blacks. It may or may not be as good overall as a Samsung 80R but it's priced like the 70R which has even fewer zones and no added dispersion. It still has the top motion and if history is an indicator, FALD control and processing in the industry until proven otherwise. We'll need to wait and see how all the new sets fall out. Vive la difference.
Are you comparing the weight of the 950 to the 900E or 900F? The 900F also has an internal power supply. The principal reason for the weight difference is as you alluded to were the 2 light guides used for the edge-lit dimming scheme. Heck, the 930E probably still has a more effective dimming scheme than the 950 despite being edge-lit. Also, until proven otherwise I would add that the 950 will probably be less prone to banding and DSE compared to the Samsung models.
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I just went to my local store and looked at the 75 Q9 and the 85 X900F. Q9 was playing "Solo" and X900F was playing "Ready Player One".

On the Q9, there is a scene where they are chasing Han by vehicle and the Q9 made it look really choppy and jittery. I felt like it was skipping frames almost.

X900F in the race scene on RP1 looked incredible.

Is this normal differences between Samsung and Sony?

Honestly, I am considering just picking up the x900F, maybe even just snag the 85 if it goes lower.

In short, yes. It has been discussed and subsequently defended ad nauseam. The Sony generally does better with upscaling and motion handling. You would have to dig through a lot of material to come to a conclusion yourself.
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I just went to my local store and looked at the 75 Q9 and the 85 X900F. Q9 was playing "Solo" and X900F was playing "Ready Player One".



On the Q9, there is a scene where they are chasing Han by vehicle and the Q9 made it look really choppy and jittery. I felt like it was skipping frames almost.



X900F in the race scene on RP1 looked incredible.



Is this normal differences between Samsung and Sony?



Honestly, I am considering just picking up the x900F, maybe even just snag the 85 if it goes lower.


Yes, completely normal. People always get carried away with dimming zone counts and peak brightness, but each of those things is only one small piece of the puzzle when it comes to overall performance.

I mean, it’s not just Samsung either. My LG C8 OLED is just terrible with motion and is worse than Samsung. Hockey is almost unwatchable on my C8. Even my wife complains about it, so that should tell you how bad it is.

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In short, yes. It has been discussed and subsequently defended ad nauseam. The Sony generally does better with upscaling and motion handling. You would have to dig through a lot of material to come to a conclusion yourself.
Thank you,

But my next question is if I am using the Apple TV 4K, wouldn't that takeover the upscaling and motion? Or is it all the TV?

Now I didn't see anything but the preloaded retail mode on the Q900R to see how they improved motion, the preloaded "animals in nature" looked like they were right in front of your face. Colors were excellent from everywhere you looked. It's just such a shame that I saw "Solo" running on the Q9, it was as if the FPS dropped during actions scene and the car started skipping. The contrast and clarity was very good, even in horrible, bright light.

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Yes, completely normal. People always get carried away with dimming zone counts and peak brightness, but each of those things is only one small piece of the puzzle when it comes to overall performance.

I mean, it’s not just Samsung either. My LG C8 OLED is just terrible with motion and is worse than Samsung. Hockey is almost unwatchable on my C8. Even my wife complains about it, so that should tell you how bad it is.

This is now the 2nd time I have watched the Sony x900F. It may not have the perfect blacks of the OLEDs, but it is overall, a very pleasing TV to watch, especially at 4K.

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Originally Posted by Dimon.Zorg View Post
First full review 75X95G - https://www.lesnumeriques.com/tv-tel...1053/test.html

Looks like completely identical results with XF9005 but with wider viewing angles.

If information about 60 zones is correct it's real joke from Sony.
"The peak light is well below that measured on the Sony 65ZF9 (1,940 cd / m²), on the Samsung 65Q9F (1,600 cd / m²) and very far from the Samsung 75Q900R (2,280 cd / m²). It must be said that Sony has reduced the number of areas of the Full Led backlight system. If there were about 100 zones on the ZF9 in its 65-inch version, they fall to just 60 zones on the 75XG9505 and its 75-inch slab. This limited number results in a clearly visible blooming effect around light objects on a dark background. Subtitled VO film lovers will be the most affected by this phenomenon, even more visible in HDR around texts."

This is really disappointing. X900F was already lagging behind in HDR department. They have catered more to the big families who want better viewing angles.
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