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I was just going by Rtings review of the Z9F. I noticed this when using Rtings comparison tool Z9D to Z9F
According to Rtings the Z9F doesn't support DTS over ARC or Optical. I thought Sony was cheaping out like Samsung

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All i know right now is the 900F will run alongside the X950G lending credence to the fact that this may in fact replace the 930/940 price point and tier.

It is odd that every year there is a new model/letter C, D, E, F, and now G. The only model/letter that lasted for more than 1 year, 3 years to be exact was the Z9D. If 2019 was going to be all G models, why would Sony come up with the Z9F near the end of 2018 if it was going to dropped for a G in 2019. So maybe you are right the 900F will have a 2 year run. I still say Z9F is very much a sideways somewhat downwards move compared to a Z9D.

For the most part I don't think the Z9F is that much better than a 900F for the money. Every model year mostly brings improvements and if the 900Fs successor was the 950G I would expect the 950G to be better than the Z9F.

It starts getting confusing with their letter tier performance structure

900F midrange
950G upper midrange...kinda like 930/940E
Z9F high end range
Z9G ultra high end range
Z9I super ultra high end range lol
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It is odd that every year there is a new model/letter C, D, E, F, and now G. The only model/letter that lasted for more than 1 year, 3 years to be exact was the Z9D. If 2019 was going to be all G models, why would Sony come up with the Z9F near the end of 2018 if it was going to dropped for a G in 2019. So maybe you are right the 900F will have a 2 year run. I still say Z9F is very much a sideways somewhat downwards move compared to a Z9D.

For the most part I don't think the Z9F is that much better than a 900F for the money. Every model year mostly brings improvements and if the 900Fs successor was the 950G I would expect the 950G to be better than the Z9F.

It starts getting confusing with their letter tier performance structure

900F midrange
950G upper midrange...kinda like 930/940E
Z9F high end range
Z9G ultra high end range
Z9I super ultra high end range lol

The letter behind the series corresponds to the year of introduction as I have always understood it.

D= 2016
E= 2017
F= 2018
G=2019

That would mean that if a series has a new letter at the end, it is considered by Sony to be the next iteration of a series. Z9D from 2016 became Z9F in 2018 became Z9G in 2019. It does not mean that a previous iteration won't be made or available. If the series number in the beginning is different, it isn't an evolution of a particular model.


Someone correct me if I am wrong.

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The letter behind the series corresponds to the year of introduction as I have always understood it.

D= 2016
E= 2017
F= 2018
G=2019

That would mean that if a series has a new letter at the end, it is considered by Sony to be the next iteration of a series. Z9D from 2016 became Z9F in 2018 became Z9G in 2019. It does not mean that a previous iteration won't be made or available. If the series number in the beginning is different, it isn't an evolution of a particular model.


Someone correct me if I am wrong.

Oh ya I get the year letter thing. Sony was still making new Z9D into late 2018

Sony brings in a Z9F near the end of 2018. Sony probably shouldn't have bothered with the Z9F and started 2019 off fresh with all G stuff. The Z9G is showing sizes of 85" and 98" only...they should make 65" and 75" Z9G and dump the Z9F
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I guess the Z9Z will come in 20-25 years and could be a floating frame with holographic emitters lol

I am going to start saving for a Z9Z...I will be dead long before its out, that will a good option for my great great grandchildren though
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The Z9F is great for a lighted family room, not so much for a traditional dark theater room. The X95G is the mid-level LCD, a follow-on to the 900E and 900F, so it certainly will NOT be as good as the Z9F. It will have fewer zones, won't be as bright, so will have a lower PQ.
Well they did continue the model number in one way, they kept in line with adding the "G". The replacement for the Z9F will not be out for a good long while, probably September at Cedia.
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It is odd that every year there is a new model/letter C, D, E, F, and now G. The only model/letter that lasted for more than 1 year, 3 years to be exact was the Z9D. If 2019 was going to be all G models, why would Sony come up with the Z9F near the end of 2018 if it was going to dropped for a G in 2019. So maybe you are right the 900F will have a 2 year run. I still say Z9F is very much a sideways somewhat downwards move compared to a Z9D.

For the most part I don't think the Z9F is that much better than a 900F for the money. Every model year mostly brings improvements and if the 900Fs successor was the 950G I would expect the 950G to be better than the Z9F.

It starts getting confusing with their letter tier performance structure

900F midrange
950G upper midrange...kinda like 930/940E
Z9F high end range
Z9G ultra high end range
Z9I super ultra high end range lol
The 940e had the best black levels, so should 950g not have even better black levels? Why are people assuming the 950G is a successor to the 900f and not the 940e (skip generation inheritance!). If not, what new large (80"+) TV from Sony would have very good black levels(at least as good as 900f, hopefully 940e) at "normal" prices?

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The 940e had the best black levels, so should 950g not have even better black levels? Why are people assuming the 950G is a successor to the 900f and not the 940e (skip generation inheritance!). If not, what new large (80"+) TV from Sony would have very good black levels(at least as good as 900f, hopefully 940e) at "normal" prices?

I am with you on the 950G, no 3D but at lease its a G. The 940E was closer to being a flagship than the Z9F

The Z9F is a nice TV, I just expected more. The Z9F is a flagship, it should kick a$$ for all led parameters
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Wow!!! PQ on Demo https://youtu.be/sjcBEAiu3C0
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In the video it shows an X90G so that will be the900F replacement
it appears that the X950G is indeed more or less a X940E replacement...and it sure looks nice too
I am thinking the X950G for the 75" will have an introductory price of $6000 US
I hope it really kicks up the contrast and black level performance a few notches over the Z9F

Hell I would want a Z9G, but what I want and can afford are two different things.
My prediction is the 85" Z9G will be $10,000 US or more
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In the video it shows an X90G so that will be the900F replacement
it appears that the X950G is indeed more or less a X940E replacement...and it sure looks nice too
I am thinking the X950G for the 75" will have an introductory price of $6000 US
I hope it really kicks up the contrast and black level performance a few notches over the Z9F

Hell I would want a Z9G, but what I want and can afford are two different things.
My prediction is the 85" Z9G will be $10,000 US or more
I am hoping they can kick up contrast by 2.5x to get back to the 940E or 3x to at least match the Vizio PQ. More would be nice!
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AGREED...I hope the X950G is an improved all around X940E, not just improved in a couple areas and way worse in others

At least get back to the excellent movie performance of the X940E, with improved motion = X950G (I hope)...that will be a winner
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In the video it shows an X90G so that will be the900F replacement
it appears that the X950G is indeed more or less a X940E replacement...and it sure looks nice too
I am thinking the X950G for the 75" will have an introductory price of $6000 US
I hope it really kicks up the contrast and black level performance a few notches over the Z9F

Hell I would want a Z9G, but what I want and can afford are two different things.
My prediction is the 85" Z9G will be $10,000 US or more
The X90G will only come in 49" (apparently) and F series continued initially (in Europe). Maybe only the 49X900F will get a G replacement with the X950G replacing the rest of the sizes ...


[The X95G has been given the XDR Contrast rating of 'x10', same as what the X93/94E had (so brightness will probably be in the same ballpark but what the X-Wide Angle will do to the black levels remains to be seen on this model). X90G has a 'x6' rating, same as the X90F (might be completely identical and only given an Android TV platform upgrade).]


EDIT: XDR Contrast rating is only SIX times (x6) for the XG95, I guess that x10 was in the early leaked table from China .

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Hell I would want a Z9G, but what I want and can afford are two different things.

My prediction is the 85" Z9G will be $10,000 US or more
I would be very happy if the 85" Z9G is $10,000 US

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....and that's still a lot to pay for a TV
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AGREED...I hope the X950G is an improved all around X940E, not just improved in a couple areas and way worse in others

At least get back to the excellent movie performance of the X940E, with improved motion = X950G (I hope)...that will be a winner
I'm excited to see what this set is all about, probably gonna be a real winner in terms of pq without breaking the bank.
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If you look at the pictures of the 950G it looks very similar to the 900F, so I suspect the build quality wont be up to that of the 940E/Z9D. However I guess its what sony does to the inside that counts. Maybe they want to meet a price point, but still have a TV with excellent performance...I hope
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My prediction is the 85" Z9G will be $10,000 US or more
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Not sure if you guys are serious or not. I hate to break it to you, but as much as I wish you were right, there's no way the 85" Z9G will be under $15K. I highly doubt Sony is going to price their new flagship LCD at $5K less than Samsung.

I'm eyeing the 85" or even possibly the 98" myself, if the price is relatively reasonable. A high end, 4K laser projector + 100" roll down, flush, ceiling mounted screen for me would be quite expensive so jumping to a direct 98" screen just might be worth it if it's not too much more.
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If you look at the pictures of the 950G it looks very similar to the 900F, so I suspect the build quality wont be up to that of the 940E/Z9D. However I guess its what sony does to the inside that counts. Maybe they want to meet a price point, but still have a TV with excellent performance...I hope
No doubt the build quality of the 940e is outstanding, but I'll take a slight downgrade in that department for better pq...something companies like samfung flat out ignore with their so called flag ship sets.
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Not sure if you guys are serious or not. I hate to break it to you, but as much as I wish you were right, there's no way the 85" Z9G will be under $15K. I highly doubt Sony is going to price their new flagship LCD at $5K less than Samsung.

I'm eyeing the 85" or even possibly the 98" myself, if the price is relatively reasonable. A high end, 4K laser projector + 100" roll down, flush, ceiling mounted screen for me would be quite expensive so jumping to a direct 98" screen just might be worth it if it's not too much more.

I think you are right. I forgot about seeing the Samsung 8K at best buy for $15,000 The Sony Z9G in 85" is going to be closer to $20,000 then. In my Canadian dollars that is around 27K or 28K....I don't think too many people from Canada will be buying a Z9G soon. If you invite me over to watch movies, I will spring for the popcorn LOL.


I think thats why there will be a lot of people including me hoping the X950G will deliver the goods.
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No doubt the build quality of the 940e is outstanding, but I'll take a slight downgrade in that department for better pq...something companies like samfung flat out ignore with their so called flag ship sets.
Totally agree with you on that. If Sony makes a 900G series there is definitely a need for a better pq 950G to bridge the gap between 900G and Z9G. I hope the 950G supports DTS over arc. I dont know how much the licensing for DTS cost, but it cant be that much??? I hate Sony for not supporting DTS over arc on the Z9F...that's not flagship. That's why Samsung pissed me off this year was that they cheaped out and dropped DTS over arc...not cool
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Now the X95G is starting to sound really interesting. Vincent has a new video where he talks a bit about it. Quoting the relevant part:

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And when we demoed the 75" of the XG95, or X950G, in a side-by-side comparison with a 75" Q9FN at a Sony briefing, what we found was that the black bars and blooming control looked better than the Z9F, or ZF9. And from speaking to Sony engineers, they have taken aboard our feedback, and feedback from other reviewers, and improved the local dimming algorithm on the X950G to keep the top and bottom letterbox bars blacker and also to keep blooming under control. So we really do look forward to reviewing the XG95 when it hits the street.
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Well, if it's just an algorithm and not a hardware fix, then it seems they should be able to apply the same software fix to the Z9F. That would be good news for Z9F owners current and future.
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I do have a feeling that the sony x950g will be a better option for home theater than the z9f, especially in 65inch size. It seems to be a direct sequel to the x930e, which had much better contrast than the z9f.
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I do have a feeling that the sony x950g will be a better option for home theater than the z9f, especially in 65inch size. It seems to be a direct sequel to the x930e, which had much better contrast than the z9f.
For anyone that wants a 75" or 85" 950G, the wide angle viewing thing is going to suck on those sizes if it is going to be at the expense of contrast and black level performance.
Dear Sony...I think just about everyone wants the 950G to be an improved all around 940E
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I noticed on the Sony site it is listing the specs now

https://www.sony.com/electronics/tel...specifications
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I noticed on the Sony site it is listing the specs now

https://www.sony.com/electronics/tel...specifications
Interesting! Available in February perhaps?
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Am I missing it somewhere? The XDR contrast on the 900F is listed as 6x, on the Z9F as 12x, on the Z9D as 16X, the Z9G as 20x, and on the 950G as... nothing.


EDIT: Just found it buried on the features page. Same as the 900F.



Enjoy beautiful night shots, full of dazzling lights and deeper blacks. With up to six times the contrast of conventional LED TVs, this 4K Ultra HD TV with X-tended Dynamic Range™ PRO ensures dark scenes are darker and bright scenes brighter.
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Am I missing it somewhere? The XDR contrast on the 900F is listed as 6x, on the Z9F as 12x, on the Z9D as 16X, the Z9G as 20x, and on the 950G as... nothing.


EDIT: Just found it buried on the features page. Same as the 900F.



Enjoy beautiful night shots, full of dazzling lights and deeper blacks. With up to six times the contrast of conventional LED TVs, this 4K Ultra HD TV with X-tended Dynamic Range™ PRO ensures dark scenes are darker and bright scenes brighter.
If its 6x XDR, then its no x930e/40e sequel. The former had 10x XDR. However, the xdr contrast doesn't always tell the whole entire story. The z9f has 12x, albeit the x930e and x940e have much better contrast and black levels. However, that could be due to x-wide. I'm hearing the x950g 55inch and 65inch respectively will not have x-wide tech.
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