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While Rtings are the best of the best when it comes to reviews, i've noticed that when it comes to upscaling, they rank Samsung, LG and Sony all the same, regardless of model.

The vast majority of people however, find that Sony has superior upscaling to that of LG and Samsung, especially for low quality content.

So I can't just trust Rtings on this one, I wish they would be more critical and go into more detail with their upscaling testing but as it is, I simply don't believe that the X900F and the LG UK6300 for example, have the same 720p upscaling quality (both have a score of 8.0 on Rtings).
It's Sony's Smooth Graduation setting that also helps with lower resolution content and actually works to improve PQ.
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This is the question I’m waiting to have answered.

Does the X1 Ultimate provide better PQ than the X1 Extreme? I’m particularly interested in it’s upscaling ability for cable TV content.

The “object based super resolution” is what catches my eye here for the X1 Ultimate.

If the PQ is better with the Ultimate, then the internal technology alone makes the 950G a much more appealing buy, as the faster SOC alone is not enough.
The X1 extreme in the reviews was already considered the best image processor on the market (you can search in more than 20 reviews that will all speak the same thing).

In all the reviews I've read so far (both in 65 'or 75' versions) were unanimous in saying that the new image processor was even better than the extreme X1 with the following advantages:

1 - better depth of field
2 - best upscaling
3 - a good improvement in X-Motion technology (it is worth since the previous model was almost a test model.) In addition to the new processor that makes the transitions better, we have better movement and sharpness of it)
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Just look at the upscaling of ZF9 which is equipped with Ultimate. Reviewers at rtings haven't noticed any differences between ZF9 (Ultimate) and X900F (Extreme) in upscaling performance

https://www.rtings.com/tv/tools/comp...&threshold=0.1

I've seen also other reviews of ZF9 and AF9 (both ultimate) and nothing 'spectacular' about upscaling has been reported. Of course I'm also waiting for review of x95g at rtings to confirm it.
While Rtings are the best of the best when it comes to reviews, i've noticed that when it comes to upscaling, they rank Samsung, LG and Sony all the same, regardless of model.

The vast majority of people however, find that Sony has superior upscaling to that of LG and Samsung, especially for low quality content.

So I can't just trust Rtings on this one, I wish they would be more critical and go into more detail with their upscaling testing but as it is, I simply don't believe that the X900F and the LG UK6300 for example, have the same 720p upscaling quality (both have a score of 8.0 on Rtings).
Agreed, the upscaling section of Rtings reviews is useless as everyone gets the same score. And that’s a shame because that’s the material that the vast majority of viewers watch.

For upscaling and motion everyone is still playing catch up with Sony.
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Improvements in XG95 do not justify the price difference versus XF900.

65" XG95 and 65" ZF9 are currently at a very near cost in Europe, I personally prefer ZF9.

Currently I can buy 75" XF90 on lower price from 65" XG95 ...
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Something about this new X950G is turning on my Denon receiver in the middle of the night. It's happened both nights where I turn off both the TV & receiver and sometime later the Denon gets powered back on but not the TV.

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I tried turning off all of these since I use a URC remote anyway. Hopefully that fixes it?

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The X1 extreme in the reviews was already considered the best image processor on the market (you can search in more than 20 reviews that will all speak the same thing).
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1 - better depth of field
I must say that I've never heard about it in the context of Sony TV image processing. What does it do with original depth of field? Increases, decreases or something else? Can you post some link to the explanation as I'm interested in that topic

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2 - best upscaling
This is very vague term. It is impossible to judge differences in up-scaling without direct and detailed comparison between different TVs. Even then it is so difficult to make proper assessment of up-scaling performance as there are many parameters which are affecting up-scaling. Whole section "Clarity" in the TV settings. Depending on those settings up-scaling can look very good or very bad on the same TV. Again some link would be useful here.

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3 - a good improvement in X-Motion technology (it is worth since the previous model was almost a test model.) In addition to the new processor that makes the transitions better, we have better movement and sharpness of it)
I've never heard about any problems/issues with X-Motion technology on Extreme chip (X900F). It works very well. It is basically advanced black frame insertion and you need it in specific conditions when motion blur is important to you for instance for sport or when gaming. I don't use it at all as I mainly watch movies and motion blur doesn't bother me at all. You should remember that when X-Motion technology is activated flicker frequency drops from standard 720Hz to 120Hz (according to rtings) and that could be distracting to some people.

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Improvements in XG95 do not justify the price difference versus XF900.

65" XG95 and 65" ZF9 are currently at a very near cost in Europe, I personally prefer ZF9.

Currently I can buy 75" XF90 on lower price from 65" XG95 ...
Totally agree. Prices in Europe are crazy. Just an example from UK:

55 X95G £1,899 -> ~ 2,500 USD
65 X95G £2,499 -> ~ 3,290 USD
75 X95G £3,999 -> ~ 5,263 USD

I live in Europe and don't even consider X95G now at that price level. Spec is just fine but new model doesn't really bring any innovations to justify those prices.

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Something about this new X950G is turning on my Denon receiver in the middle of the night. It's happened both nights where I turn off both the TV & receiver and sometime later the Denon gets powered back on but not the TV.

Remember someone in the Z9D thread mentioned having the same issue recently. If I remember correctly, he had a Denon receiver as well. Think was after the Oreo update. You may check over there.


EDIT: This is later in the discussion but is there: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-l...l#post57698856

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If the 950G is the successor to the 900F, why is Sony keeping the 900F around? Doesn’t make any sense.
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I see it as the successor to the 900F, I’m just surprised that Sony doesn’t.

They are doing some boneheaded things over at Sony lately. Lol
They will be clearanced shortly........I would assume they are no longer being produced.
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I must say that I've never heard about it in the context of Sony TV image processing. What does it do with original depth of field? Increases, decreases or something else? Can you post some link to the explanation as I'm interested in that topic



This is very vague term. It is impossible to judge differences in up-scaling without direct and detailed comparison between different TVs. Even then it is so difficult to make proper assessment of up-scaling performance as there are many parameters which are affecting up-scaling. Whole section "Clarity" in the TV settings. Depending on those settings up-scaling can look very good or very bad on the same TV. Again some link would be useful here.



I've never heard about any problems/issues with X-Motion technology on Extreme chip (X900F). It works very well. It is basically advanced black frame insertion and you need it in specific conditions when motion blur is important to you for instance for sport or when gaming. I don't use it at all as I mainly watch movies and motion blur doesn't bother me at all. You should remember that when X-Motion technology is activated flicker frequency drops from standard 720Hz to 120Hz (according to rtings) and that could be distracting to some people.



Totally agree. Prices in Europe are crazy. Just an example from UK:

55 X95G £1,899 -> ~ 2,500 USD
65 X95G £2,499 -> ~ 3,290 USD
75 X95G £3,999 -> ~ 5,263 USD

I live in Europe and don't even consider X95G now at that price level. Spec is just fine but new model doesn't really bring any innovations to justify those prices.

Some of the reviews tell you more about this. I'm trying to find another French but I still have not found it. As soon as I find it updates. I remember talking a little better about that depth of field saying that this should be provalvemnte to the fact that X1 Ultimate use Object Basead Superesolution

https://www.evolife.cn/av/216708.html
http://tv.zol.com.cn/708/7081469.html

As for X-Motion, the reviews said that the Ultimate chip better handle the technology using the dimming site with a smoother transition.
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I tried turning off all of these since I use a URC remote anyway. Hopefully that fixes it?
If not, go to the HDMI Setup of your Denon and disable things like "HDMI Control", "TV Audio Switching", "Pow.Off Control", ...
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If not, go to the HDMI Setup of your Denon and disable things like "HDMI Control", "TV Audio Switching", "Pow.Off Control", ...
Yeah I'll see what happens tonight after turning off all the Bravia sync settings before messing with the Denon. What exactly is the Sony doing in the middle of the night while powered off that's triggering the receiver?

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Yeah I'll see what happens tonight after turning off all the Bravia sync settings before messing with the Denon. What exactly is the Sony doing in the middle of the night while powered off that's triggering the receiver?

Since the television doesn't completely shut down, it has been surmised that the television is checking for updates or one of the Android pieces is sending/checking for something (or some other phone home process) and that does enough with the TV to turn connected devices on. Again in the Z9D thread, someone monitored traffic through their router and it coincided with the timing of the power on. You would have to go back through to find it.
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I'm not familiar with how Sony handles this but could the TV be turning on for overnight updates or patches from Sony?
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I'm not familiar with how Sony handles this but could the TV be turning on for overnight updates or patches from Sony?


There were quite a few embedded apps that updated in the past few days maybe that has caused some gremlins maybe turning off auto app update.

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Well turning off Bravia sync control killed ARC. After turning it off, bringing up something like the Netflix app no longer switched the receiver to the TV audio ARC input so I had audio from Directv coming out of the receiver and Netflix audio coming out of the TV at the same time.

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Seeking X-Wide Clarification

I'm considering the X950G 75", but have concerns over the X-Wide technology after reading through this thread and the few reviews out there so far. Does X-Wide negatively affect the picture quality when viewing straight on, or just from the viewing positions that are off center?
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I just got my 75 950 in I have unbowed it and not setting it up. Pictures will follow too What do you guys want me to take pictures of ?
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I just got my 75 950 in I have unbowed it and not setting it up. Pictures will follow too What do you guys want me to take pictures of ?
I meant unboxing and now setting up lol
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I'm considering the X950G 75", but have concerns over the X-Wide technology after reading through this thread and the few reviews out there so far. Does X-Wide negatively affect the picture quality when viewing straight on, or just from the viewing positions that are off center?

It affects contrast performance globally, unfortunately. Not just when viewing off center.
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It affects contrast performance globally, unfortunately. Not just when viewing off center.
That's what I was afraid of. I think I may have researched myself away from this TV.
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Although not perfect, it looks like Samsung’s wide angle filter is a step up on Sony’s. Both appear to hold on to color well, but Samsung doesn’t have the hit to contrast that Sony has while viewing straight on.

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That's what I was afraid of. I think I may have researched myself away from this TV.
I wouldn't go that far yet.



I tried to buy the 940e just prior to the Superbowl and BBuy was completely out of them, couldn't even order one. I buy my appliances there for the 0% as it works well for me. My Magnolia guy I trust said no dice, out. So I too have been waiting for reviews on the 75" version of this TV to replace a 2007 1080p DLP (Mitsu). I'm a little disappointed but I need to see it in person and wait for more reviews. Whatever I buy will be going in a dark room. I want a 75" definitely as my Marantz tuner supports eArc and so does this TV. So worst case, if it's bad, I wait a little bit more. I was waiting on a 940e replacement. Now that I have eArc, I definitely want a newer Sony set. All they had to do is throw the chip and new features into the 940e and call it a day. This wide angle feature is what is killing the black levels in the reviews. But, never go by one review and you need to see it in person. People here tend to annihilate most anything so take things with some salt.
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With these X-wide angle sets if you plan to watch them in a near dark or dark room with no bias lighting, you really need to look at them first in a dark showroom to see if they work for you. They are excellent in bright environments but you may not be too happy in dark environments and may want to upgrade to a Z9F which has better black control but is more expensive.

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Two questions about the 950G.

Question 1:
I've got mine connected to a Sony HT-Z9F soundbar, which has two input devices connected. HDMI 1 has my Comcast cable box, and HDMI 2 has a 4K AppleTV. In the input listing of the TV, it shows HDMI 3 as the soundbar, which then has sub inputs for the AppleTV, but not the Comcast cable box. I can fire up the TV and switch to the AppleTV and all the audio switches with it, and I never need to touch the soundbar remote. But when I try and switch to the Comcast box, it is not shown in the input list, and doesn't auto-detect the audio. I HAVE to use the soundbar remote to switch the audio and input. I'm wondering if this is a setting I'm missing, or if the Comcast box just isn't capable of being recognized properly. (I'm leaning towards the Comcast box sucking)

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Where is Airplay 2 support? I'm not finding anything in the menus of the TV indicating where I configure/enable this option. I'm wondering if Sony just hasn't gotten around to adding this to the software yet, or if I'm doing something wrong. Anyone have any news? Google searches have yielded no useful information other than the TV is supposed to support airplay 2.
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I think this test by HDTV Polska is pretty informative regarding the whole x TV scales better (use translate).

https://hdtvpolska.com/skalowanie-ob...nice-w-nowych/

They don't even bother testing scaling because with all post processing stuff off every TV looks basically the same (as RTING demonstrates). It's only when some form of sharpness is applied that people notice a difference but even then you have to be extremely close to the TV to notice.

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I believe many are watching this thread like myself and wondering, "should I wait for the 950G or just buy a discounted 900F".
Question I have is, will the 900F be discontinued this year. Reading this forum, I was under the impression that it will be continued but everywhere in my town, the 900F's are being deeply discounted
which really makes me believe they might be done.

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What exactly is the Sony doing in the middle of the night while powered off that's triggering the receiver?
If you really want to know, you will need a CEC-snooper like this: https://www.pulse-eight.com/p/104/usb-hdmi-cec-adapter
But I can assure you - the logs of CEC traffic are enormous and it will take some work to understand the sequence of events and what might be causing the wakeup.
PS I will give it another try someday soon - could it be that with Oreo the CEC was upgraded to version 2.0?? It has been CEC version 1.4 so far (can be seen in my log referred to below).
I posted one of my logs on macrumors forum here, if you want to see, what can be seen using pulseeight adapter and software.

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Even with HDMI control (CEC) turned off on the Denon, somehow the TV still turned the receiver on again overnight. Now I have to disable ARC/Bravia sync altogether and resort to an optical cable.

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I think this test by HDTV Polska is pretty informative regarding the whole x TV scales better (use translate).

https://hdtvpolska.com/skalowanie-ob...nice-w-nowych/

They don't even bother testing scaling because with all post processing stuff off every TV looks basically the same (as RTING demonstrates). It's only when some form of sharpness is applied that people notice a difference but even then you have to be extremely close to the TV to notice.
That's just because they don't sell vizio in Poland.
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