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Its very good when viewing the set from the sides keeps contrast and colors nice and solid.
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what I would like to know from the staff who used the X905F and now owns an X95G is:

What improvements has the X1 Ultimate chip brought to the PQ? Object-Basedad Does Superesolution Change Something Really?
Rtings review is up. Check out the end of it where they compare TVs with the same content. You can't go by a camera shot like that but 950 looks to have better contrast than the 900 in that shot. I suspect it has to do with processor compensation. Q9fn looks great. The Vizio looks a bit artificial but it may vary in person.
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I am looking for a TV to replace the X930E in my gameroom, which would be moved to another room, but based on the Rtings review, I conclude that the X950G's picture quality is no better than that of the X930E, at best. The X950G seems decent overall, but not an advancement in PQ compared to what was available two years ago.
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I'm the same boat. I really tried to grab one of the last 940E's from BBuy (0% owns me) a month ago and no joy. I was very hopeful that the 950G in 75" would be a 940E replacement with better processor. I want the deep blacks as my room is 100% dark. No light in there. I can make a good case for the X wide as I'll have 4 seats side by side, just one row so the outer two seats will benefit from the wider viewing angle. But I'm not happy with this at the expense of blacks as all I watch in the theater are films on 1080p Blu-Rays or 4k Discs.

What would y'all do? I can still order a 940E online but have to take the risk of delivery to my home. I have never done this before, always electing to buy local in case of issues.
I'd get the 75" 900F or 940E or look at the new Vizio Quantum/Quantum X 75". Keep in mind that the 940E has reported motion issues.

Or the 77" OLED if its in your budget and you accept the burn in risk.
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I am looking for a TV to replace the X930E in my gameroom, which would be moved to another room, but based on the Rtings review, I conclude that the X950G's picture quality is no better than that of the X930E, at best. The X950G seems decent overall, but not an advancement in PQ compared to what was available two years ago.
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Peak brightness is better across the board and input lag is slightly better (though [email protected] is halved). They also confirmed all four ports are full 2.0 this time around. Sound quality actually went down for them as did contrast. Remote is better.



Still want to see the 75" numbers, but the price differential to the 900F may not be worth it me.
I'm the same boat. I really tried to grab one of the last 940E's from BBuy (0% owns me) a month ago and no joy. I was very hopeful that the 950G in 75" would be a 940E replacement with better processor. I want the deep blacks as my room is 100% dark. No light in there. I can make a good case for the X wide as I'll have 4 seats side by side, just one row so the outer two seats will benefit from the wider viewing angle. But I'm not happy with this at the expense of blacks as all I watch in the theater are films on 1080p Blu-Rays or 4k Discs.

What would y'all do? I can still order a 940E online but have to take the risk of delivery to my home. I have never done this before, always electing to buy local in case of issues.
All though X-wide increase blooming if you only watch SDR in a 100% dark room and turn the X-ended dynamic range down to low and keep backlight at around 10 (~120 nit) then blooming really isn't visible on my ZF9 at least. I don't know for sure but I guess this translates to the X950G as well.

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The 950G also has more accurate color than the 900F and slightly wider color gamut and you have CMS controls to calibrate with.

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All though X-wide increase blooming if you only watch SDR in a 100% dark room and turn the X-ended dynamic range down to low and keep backlight at around 10 (~120 nit) then blooming really isn't visible on my ZF9 at least. I don't know for sure but I guess this translates to the X950G as well.
Or just buy a used plasma for the same effect for thousands of dollars less...I imagine most people are buying new tvs to watch HDR content.

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I think the quote below from rtings comparison tool would also apply to the 75" 900F and 75" 950G due to X-wide.

"The Sony Z9F is better than the Sony Z9D, unless you watch movies in the dark from directly in front."
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This tv is why i probably won't buy another Sony. The 940d and z9d were the last true no compromise flagships...They've let 1 or more giant compromises come in ever since. They keep making the 900e over and over. Super lame...
Well ahve to wait and see what the Z9G is about.......
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Well ahve to wait and see what the Z9G is about.......
This is true, although i think it's a bit early to jump on the 8k bandwagon yet. I typically don't buy the first iteration of a new tech, normally wait a couple generations to ensure some of the early kinks get ironed out. Plus I don't think 8k is going to be that much better especially when there is no content yet. 4,000 nits would be kinda cool, but also a bit overkill for home usage...

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Or just buy a used plasma for the same effect for thousands of dollars less...I imagine most people are buying new tvs to watch HDR content.
Yeah it probably better in his case unless burn-in is the primary issue he want an LCD.
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This is true, although i think it's a bit early to jump on the 8k bandwagon yet. I typically don't buy the first iteration of a new tech, normally wait a couple generations to ensure some of the early kinks get ironed out. Plus I don't think 8k is going to be that much better especially when there is no content yet. 4,000 nits would be kinda cool, but also a bit overkill for home usage...
The Z9G also has the Xwide angle technology
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The Z9G also has the Xwide angle technology
Correct, which is why I'm not that optimistic...

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This is true, although i think it's a bit early to jump on the 8k bandwagon yet. I typically don't buy the first iteration of a new tech, normally wait a couple generations to ensure some of the early kinks get ironed out. Plus I don't think 8k is going to be that much better especially when there is no content yet. 4,000 nits would be kinda cool, but also a bit overkill for home usage...
I had the Q900R for a couple of weeks and all though it rarely outputs a full 4000 nits, more like 2500-ish, it's the brightest TV I've seen and it made quite an impact when it came to the brilliance of over all dark/medium scenes with bright light sources, highlight and explosion. It's way more impact full than my current 75 ZF9 in those specific scenarios. Also remember that the perceived intensity doesn't scale linearly. A 4000 nit high light will only look twice as bright as a 1000 nit one does. You need to increase the nits count by 4 times to double the perceived intensity if I under stand this correctly. And I certainly don't think 4000 is over kill, I was actually craving even more when it came to achieve truly realistic day scenes where you get the sense of actually looking through a window (a clear blue sky should be about 7000 nit and white clouds 10.000 nit *see link). I might have kept the TV if it wasn't for the fan in the housing making a high pitched noise, it was just too expensive for that and the other flaws it had, at almost half the price ZF9 will be my hold over TV while the HDR and HDMI 2.1 market matures.

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I loved my plasma but I always kept the image a bit subdued fearing burn in. I'd even only pause shows at the black transition scene if it was going to be more than a minute. It's nice to have a bright vibrant image with no burn in concerns.
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I am looking for a TV to replace the X930E in my gameroom, which would be moved to another room, but based on the Rtings review, I conclude that the X950G's picture quality is no better than that of the X930E, at best. The X950G seems decent overall, but not an advancement in PQ compared to what was available two years ago.
Lateral move for a TV that's cheaper than the 930e was.
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In short, the P9 of the X950G despite being very similar to the X905F, it ended up winning overall.

Now an interesting parallel. Comparing the brightness of the two TVs by the Rtings, I noticed that some windows the increase of the actual brightness peak reaches almost 350 nits.

Awesome if you remember that the TV uses the X-tended msm Dinamic Range Pro X6. This shows the ultimate X1's ability to handle technology. Another curious point is the great improvement in Black Uniformity thanks to the new algorithm that makes the other technologies work more efficiently.

In summary: Almost 350 nits more brightness and the flowering level is the same as the X905F that has less brightness.
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In summary: Almost 350 nits more brightness and the flowering level is the same as the X905F that has less brightness.
It looks that you are trying to convince yourself that it is worth spending a couple of hundreds more for X95G :-) Just buy it and enjoy very good picture quality. And trust professional reviewers who say... ;-) ;-)

"The Sony X900F and the Sony X950G both have very similar performance. The X950G has lower input lag, which is good if you play video games or use the TV as a PC monitor. The X950G is brighter than the X900F, but the X900F has marginally higher native contrast ratio, although neither of these differences are noticeable under normal conditions.



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How come this doesn't support 1440p120 when XF90 already did?
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It looks that you are trying to convince yourself that it is worth spending a couple of hundreds more for X95G :-) Just buy it and enjoy very good picture quality. And trust professional reviewers who say... ;-) ;-)

"The Sony X900F and the Sony X950G both have very similar performance. The X950G has lower input lag, which is good if you play video games or use the TV as a PC monitor. The X950G is brighter than the X900F, but the X900F has marginally higher native contrast ratio, although neither of these differences are noticeable under normal conditions.



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Actually it's because I'm going to make a big jump from a Sony W905 A Full HD model to a 4K HDR.

The brightness on a TV for me is very important along with the movement of the images (hence my preference for Sony and not Samsung)

So I shared my joy in knowing that a midrange TV can reach such good levels. After all, unfortunately in my country a high-end TV is very expensive. And the price difference here between last year's model and this year's model will not be too big on Black Friday
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How come this doesn't support 1440p120 when XF90 already did?
if I'm not mistaken, this happened for update. It might happen with the X950G
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The brightness on a TV for me is very important along with the movement of the images (hence my preference for Sony and not Samsung)
I understand. You will be happy. Just think twice about the screen size that you need as it has huge impact on your viewing experience especially in 4K. Brightness in SDR is more than sufficient. In HDR is good but not spectacular. Humane eye doesn't have linear response so those differences in brightness won't make big difference. Please notice that they are quite small for bigger windows such as 25-50%

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I understand. You will be happy. Just think twice about the screen size that you need as it has huge impact on your viewing experience especially in 4K. Brightness in SDR is more than sufficient. In HDR is good but not spectacular. Humane eye doesn't have linear response so those differences in brightness won't make big difference. Please notice that they are quite small for bigger windows such as 25-50%
Yes, that's what I see the most. The small windows and also the actual brightness level and not only the peak of brightness.

Imagine, my TV has peak brightness of 350 nits on the smallest windows. It will be a huge leap.

I will buy the 55 "version (again because of values in Brazil). I would love to buy a 65" version, but on Black Friday, the values should reach what you pay around U$2.000
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So the biggest benefit to the 950G is the processor upgrade at this point, that mostly seems to be what you're paying for right now. Is the 900F really that sluggish in comparison?

I currently use NVidia Shield TVs and was going to get a 900F but wanted to wait to see how the 950G turned out. Might be cost prohibitive though.
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It's a timing thing. The 950 will be 900 price this time next year.
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It's a timing thing. The 950 will be 900 price this time next year.
Absolutely, but for those looking to buy right now, it seems that, since everything else seems mostly equal, the choice is between "cheaper" and "better processor". The question then is, does that "better processor" present value with the added cost (for now).

If there isn't really that much difference in notable performance between the two, then the 900F presents a better prospect, if the performance of the 950G is notably faster and that's the kind of thing that bugs you, then the 950G might be worth the extra cost.
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So the biggest benefit to the 950G is the processor upgrade at this point, that mostly seems to be what you're paying for right now. Is the 900F really that sluggish in comparison?

I currently use NVidia Shield TVs and was going to get a 900F but wanted to wait to see how the 950G turned out. Might be cost prohibitive though.
I would go with the 900f. The new Android Oreo update improved UI speeds dramatically. Also, most of the folks complaining about how sluggish Android TV was on the Sony tvs had probably allowed Samba TV to be activated during the initial setup. This absolutely causes a sluggish UI. So much to the point that I would recommend anyone who wasn't sure if they activated this initially to do a factory reset and make sure you do not allow it to be enabled. Simply going into the apps section and disabling does not improve UI performance the way not activating it does upon initial setup does.
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I would go with the 900f. The new Android Oreo update improved UI speeds dramatically. Also, most of the folks complaining about how sluggish Android TV was on the Sony tvs had probably allowed Samba TV to be activated during the initial setup. This absolutely causes a sluggish UI. So much to the point that I would recommend anyone who wasn't sure if they activated this initially to do a factory reset and make sure you do not allow it to be enabled. Simply going into the apps section and disabling does not improve UI performance the way not activating it does upon initial setup does.
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I would go with the 900f. The new Android Oreo update improved UI speeds dramatically. Also, most of the folks complaining about how sluggish Android TV was on the Sony tvs had probably allowed Samba TV to be activated during the initial setup. This absolutely causes a sluggish UI. So much to the point that I would recommend anyone who wasn't sure if they activated this initially to do a factory reset and make sure you do not allow it to be enabled. Simply going into the apps section and disabling does not improve UI performance the way not activating it does upon initial setup does.

I agree that the Android performance with Oreo isn't outstanding, but it isn't as bad as some claim and is certainly still usable. I watch Netflix, Youtube, PS Vue, and Prime Video on the native X930E apps.
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