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900E has less zones but the differences are minor. On the other hand it has deepest blacks.

As black levels raise, blooming is noticed less. Blooming is more noticeable on my 909 than my 900E, even though it has more zones at 46” than my 900E does at 65”. The 909 has better black levels, the 900E is relatively gray in all picture modes and settings. Easier to see blooming with lower black levels.


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The sentiment I am getting after perusing these and other threads is that 900E to 900F was an appreciable improvement while 900F to 950G doesn't seem that appealing. I think I have pretty much eliminated 950G from my potential list of 75 inchers.
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Go tell Vincent. I'm sure he'll change his assessment. Perhaps Quantum will back you up.
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The native contrast ratio is very good (4,460: 1), but lower than last year on the Sony XE9005 (7,700: 1).
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The results can be interpreted in two ways, depending on whether we are people who see the glass half full or empty. It is certainly positive that the TV offers high contrast where it is most important, ie in stages with large, dark surfaces (like frames 1 and 4). A bit disappointing, however, is the fact that black is not any better than last year's models, and you could expect improvement. 
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I started doing my TV research when the 900e came out and was not satisfied with it's performance. The 930e was noticeable better. That changed with the 900f as it crossed a threshold for me. I'll have to see a 950 in person but it wouldn't surprise me if it looked a bit better again in real viewing.
I would like to hear your thoughts on this, I think I agree with the person below....

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The sentiment I am getting after perusing these and other threads is that 900E to 900F was an appreciable improvement while 900F to 950G doesn't seem that appealing. I think I have pretty much eliminated 950G from my potential list of 75 inchers.
Did you think it was going to be a giant improvement?
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Personally I’d like to know if the Dolby Vision on the 950G is just as dark as on the 900F.

Better DV implementation would be an important feather in the 950G’s cap.
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Torn between this & the Q80R - if only Samsung would cave and implement DV!
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How does 75" x950G compare to 75" x940E in terms of black level and contrast in real life?

I owned a 75x940E before and was most impressed with it's black and contrast level (which makes everything looks so "3D").

Based on rting.com s numbers, 950G (and last year's 9000F) doesn't hold a candle to 940E in terms of contrast ratio. If that accurately reflects real life experience, then I can give 950G a pass... Anyone has any real life experience or comparison?

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Sony should buy their displays from Samsung. Just like they buy their OLED'S from LG. Using Samsung's qled + sony's processor= win.
They ARE Samsung panels in the 55" each and every one of them, from the 900E to the 950G (in 55" as tested by Rtings).
It also means that the 65" could very well have had a different contrast ratio from year to year (those are AUO panels).

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Personally I’d like to know if the Dolby Vision on the 950G is just as dark as on the 900F.

Better DV implementation would be an important feather in the 950G’s cap.
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Any info on the DV implementation when utilizing physical media?

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Personally I’d like to know if the Dolby Vision on the 950G is just as dark as on the 900F.

Better DV implementation would be an important feather in the 950G’s cap.

Aren't there three DV modes on this set?
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How does 75" x950G compare to 75" x940E in terms of black level and contrast in real life?

I owned a 75x940E before and was most impressed with it's black and contrast level (which makes everything looks so "3D").

Based on rting.com s numbers, 950G (and last year's 9000F) doesn't hold a candle to 940E in terms of contrast ratio. If that accurately reflects real life experience, then I can give 950G a pass... Anyone has any real life experience or comparison?

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940e had the best contrast of any Sony lcd ever made so...
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I would like to hear your thoughts on this
The comment didn't relate to value at current pricing. A bit better is a small amount. You sell them. Set a couple 65s up properly next to each other and tell us.

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Using specs and comments from the wide angle models when we were discussing the 65 is extremely disingenuous. Either that or you just aren't keeping up.

Again, why are you in this thread since you obviously no longer have any personal interest in this set? At some point this becomes trolling in a (potential) owners thread.
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Using specs and comments from the wide angle models when we were discussing the 65 is extremely disingenuous. Either that or you just aren't keeping up.

Again, why are you in this thread since you obviously no longer have any personal interest in this set? At some point this becomes trolling in a (potential) owners thread.

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That's an interesting link I hadn't seen before. At a glance it seems to suggest the Z9F could potentially have better scene contrast than the X900F. On 3 of the 4 scene contrast images they give a higher value to the Z9F (X-Wide model).
https://hdtvpolska.com/sony-kd-65zf9...em-direct-led/
https://hdtvpolska.com/sony-xf90-tes...-dolby-vision/

At the Nebraska Furniture Mart in KC they had 75" versions of the Z9F and X900F next to each other, along with Q8 and Q9 Samsungs from 2018. Their viewing area is not totally light-controlled, but it's better than a Best Buy floor. Their TVs are not clearly marked, so I had my girlfriend guess which was the more expensive TV. She correctly guessed the Z9F, and I incorrectly guessed the X900F based on having read the Z9F had lower ANSI contrast ratings. The test loop included a train going through a tunnel where the Z9F had noticeably better scene contrast than the X900F as the train went through a tunnel. The bright areas of the picture were roughly similar on the two TVs, but the sides of the tunnel were clearly darker on the Z9F. Of course there are lots of variables at play in a test where I did not look into how the TVs were setup, but those links are the only items I've ran across that possibly give the edge for contrast to the Z9F similar to the in-person test loop.
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I don't know what previous models looked like with DV but no one in our house has noticed it being "dark" compared to any other content.

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That's an interesting link I hadn't seen before. At a glance it seems to suggest the Z9F could potentially have better scene contrast than the X900F. On 3 of the 4 scene contrast images they give a higher value to the Z9F (X-Wide model).
https://hdtvpolska.com/sony-kd-65zf9...em-direct-led/
https://hdtvpolska.com/sony-xf90-tes...-dolby-vision/

At the Nebraska Furniture Mart in KC they had 75" versions of the Z9F and X900F next to each other, along with Q8 and Q9 Samsungs from 2018. Their viewing area is not totally light-controlled, but it's better than a Best Buy floor. Their TVs are not clearly marked, so I had my girlfriend guess which was the more expensive TV. She correctly guessed the Z9F, and I incorrectly guessed the X900F based on having read the Z9F had lower ANSI contrast ratings. The test loop included a train going through a tunnel where the Z9F had noticeably better scene contrast than the X900F as the train went through a tunnel. The bright areas of the picture were roughly similar on the two TVs, but the sides of the tunnel were clearly darker on the Z9F. Of course there are lots of variables at play in a test where I did not look into how the TVs were setup, but those links are the only items I've ran across that tend to give the edge for contrast to the Z9F similar to the in-person test loop.
True but he polska tests are extremely well controlled. Actual viewing images can give different results than rote tests. Sony doesn't design for the test bench which, especially with the checkerbox contrast test, can be optimized to get a result. Think of the VW diesel smog test though I don't think TV makers are that overt.
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At the Nebraska Furniture Mart in KC they had 75" versions of the Z9F and X900F next to each other, along with Q8 and Q9 Samsungs from 2018. Their viewing area is not totally light-controlled, but it's better than a Best Buy floor. Their TVs are not clearly marked, so I had my girlfriend guess which was the more expensive TV. She correctly guessed the Z9F, and I incorrectly guessed the X900F based on having read the Z9F had lower ANSI contrast ratings. The test loop included a train going through a tunnel where the Z9F had noticeably better scene contrast than the X900F as the train went through a tunnel. The bright areas of the picture were roughly similar on the two TVs, but the sides of the tunnel were clearly darker on the Z9F. Of course there are lots of variables at play in a test where I did not look into how the TVs were setup, but those links are the only items I've ran across that possibly give the edge for contrast to the Z9F similar to the in-person test loop.

that is precisely what I have been trying to understand.
As a lower contrast level can bring higher black levels.

I have read every review and every user opinion posted here and it has been general to back up in saying that the black levels of the X95G are better than the previous models.

But how is the contrast less? Any image processing being activated in addition to local dimming?
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I don't know what previous models looked like with DV but no one in our house has noticed it being "dark" compared to any other content.
That's the way DV is.

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that is precisely what I have been trying to understand.
As a lower contrast level can bring higher black levels.

I have read every review and every user opinion posted here and it has been general to back up in saying that the black levels of the X95G are better than the previous models.

But how is the contrast less? Any image processing being activated in addition to local dimming?
With the Sony you need to forget about some of the specs like contrast ratio since they are doing a lot of picture processing on these new sets. Best to see them in person in the lighting you are going to have a home and make your decision. At the store, we have these sets calibrated and side by side and the Z9F has the best blacks, then the X950 then the 900F but the OLED is still king. The Z9F is noticeably brighter than the X950 and X900F. If you watch in a bright or very bright room then get any of these LCDs and if you watch in a dark room turn on a small lamp or use bias lighting and you will be fine.
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The sentiment I am getting after perusing these and other threads is that 900E to 900F was an appreciable improvement while 900F to 950G doesn't seem that appealing. I think I have pretty much eliminated 950G from my potential list of 75 inchers.
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Did you think it was going to be a giant improvement?
It should be quite different since the 75" X950G has the X-Wide Angle Layer while the 900E and 900F do not. It should be more like a dimmer version of the Z9F. The 55" and 65" X950G sets should just be a minor upgrade from the 900F mostly due to greater brightness and hopefully better FALD processing.
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How does 75" x950G compare to 75" x940E in terms of black level and contrast in real life?

I owned a 75x940E before and was most impressed with it's black and contrast level (which makes everything looks so "3D").

Based on rting.com s numbers, 950G (and last year's 9000F) doesn't hold a candle to 940E in terms of contrast ratio. If that accurately reflects real life experience, then I can give 950G a pass... Anyone has any real life experience or comparison?

Thanks
940e had the best contrast of any Sony lcd ever made so...
Oh I didn't know that (I thought the Z series would be better). Thanks
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I have both the Sony 85 900F and the new 75 950G

The black level on both Tv's are very good. I think the overall color and punch are better with the 950G having a better
picture it has more pop then the 900F and to me the improvement is noticeable.

I really like Sony's Processing the Hockey is amazing the puck is clear and no ghosting or DSE is seen by my eyes.

I also have a Sony A9F and its the best of the best to me. The 950G gets close but not its not OLED.

For those of you with last years 900F I would say go look at the 950G in person and see if you think its worth upgrading
To me it has more of everything but let your eyes tell you not anybody else

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I have both the Sony 85 900F and the new 75 950G

The black level on both Tv's are very good. I think the overall color and punch are better with the 950G having a better
picture it has more pop then the 900F and to me the improvement is noticeable.

I really like Sony's Processing the Hockey is amazing the puck is clear and no ghosting or DSE is seen by my eyes.

I also have a Sony A9F and its the best of the best to me. The 950G gets close but not its not OLED.

For those of you with last years 900F I would say go look at the 950G in person and see if you think its worth upgrading
To me it has more of everything but let your eyes tell you not anybody else

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And this from someone with a 900F and a 950G with the wide angle viewing to compare. Now I am back to either a 75" 900F, 950G or Q90R. Pretty large gaps in price, too.
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And this from someone with a 900F and a 950G with the wide angle viewing to compare. Now I am back to either a 75" 900F, 950G or Q90R. Pretty large gaps in price, too.
Good point about the 950G wide angle viewing. That 900F is at such a sweet spot right now IMO. Tough decisions.


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With the Sony you need to forget about some of the specs like contrast ratio since they are doing a lot of picture processing on these new sets. Best to see them in person in the lighting you are going to have a home and make your decision. At the store, we have these sets calibrated and side by side and the Z9F has the best blacks, then the X950 then the 900F but the OLED is still king. The Z9F is noticeably brighter than the X950 and X900F. If you watch in a bright or very bright room then get any of these LCDs and if you watch in a dark room turn on a small lamp or use bias lighting and you will be fine.
Could the impression of better overall blacks on the Z9F (in spite of its lower contrast ratio) be due to black uniformity?
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Could the impression of better overall blacks on the Z9F (in spite of its lower contrast ratio) be due to black uniformity?

I am starting to believe more and more that the perceived blacks are very different from the measured blacks with the X-Wide.

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XG95 - 6 x plus contrast, Z9F - 12 x plus contrast, XF90 - 6 x plus contrast
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Could the impression of better overall blacks on the Z9F (in spite of its lower contrast ratio) be due to black uniformity?
I think it has to do with the panel and picture processing.

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