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BUMP...What does happen to returned TV's?
Are they simply sent back to the distributor, re-packaged and sold to us unknowing public as being NEW?
Can't speak for all dealers but i know best buy checks them out and sells them as open box items. The price varies depending on condition and missing materials. Sometimes the discount is worthwhile, sometimes not.

As an example: my local best buy has a brand new x900f on sale for 1699, one open box available for 1599 and another for 1308.
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Can't speak for all dealers but i know best buy checks them out and sells them as open box items. The price varies depending on condition and missing materials. Sometimes the discount is worthwhile, sometimes not.

As an example: my local best buy has a brand new x900f on sale for 1699, one open box available for 1599 and another for 1308.
Best buy does not always sell the TV as an open box. I’ve purchased one so called Factory sealed and it was a re-pack. Bigger question is Costco. They don’t have open boxes; they claim to send it back to the manufacture. Now what happens than is an open question but something tells me they don’t just send it to scrappers.
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Hi,
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I'm on the fence between the Z9F and 950G, 75".

I'm going to be replacing a 5 year old Sony XBR 65900B, which, in my opinion, has been a great TV, but I'm ready to experience HDR and move into the modern age of 4k, I was an early adopter.

I really dont have any complaints with my current set, except for the fact I cant take advantage of any HDR content.

Questions.
I'm assuming either one of the TVs I'm considering would be a big improvement? Maybe not, but I'm basing my assumption on 5 years of small tech improvements, not much more.

Primary use will be online content through Roku and movies, dont care about the sound the TV can produce as I have invested in a decent surround system. This will be placed in my basement, so i can watch TV with no natural light source, I know nothing compareds to OLED for black levels, but I'm not going to invest in an OlED with twin 5 year old boys and worry about burn in every day. Will these TVs perform well in that environment? Again, I'd hope either aet would be an upgrade over current TV, either will in terms of size for sure.

I dknt play games, ut imagine my boys will start, but this is not a factor for me.

I obtained pricing for both 75" sets, and I'm having a hard time justifying the $2k premium for the Z9F. Thoughts? I unde6there are some advantages with the Z9F over the 95G, but I'm thinking that even if I go with the 95G I will be extremely pleased over what I'm using today, knowing this is subjective?

My purpose for the upgrade, larger TV and the ability to watch HDR content.

I've read through this forum, alot of good info., just looking for some input on my particular situation.
Thanks!!
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Best buy does not always sell the TV as an open box. I’ve purchased one so called Factory sealed and it was a re-pack. Bigger question is Costco. They don’t have open boxes; they claim to send it back to the manufacture. Now what happens than is an open question but something tells me they don’t just send it to scrappers.


There’s multiple factors at play. Jurisdiction/States have rules and regulations as to what can be sold. Also each store has rules and lastly each manufacturer has rules as what is to be done. In my past work history most majors ask the vendor to return opened items that will either be refurbished to be sold or held to be used as factory replacements.

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Best buy does not always sell the TV as an open box. I’ve purchased one so called Factory sealed and it was a re-pack. Bigger question is Costco. They don’t have open boxes; they claim to send it back to the manufacture. Now what happens than is an open question but something tells me they don’t just send it to scrappers.
I was told that if they make it back to the factory in some cases they are donated to churches and stuff like that or sold as refurbished.
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So just making sure. This set will support Variable Refresh Rate right? (65” X950G)
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So just making sure. This set will support Variable Refresh Rate right? (65” X950G)

I'm fairly sure that no current Sony TVs support VRR.
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I'm fairly sure that no current Sony TVs support VRR.
Rtings VRR:

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Hi,
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I'm on the fence between the Z9F and 950G, 75".

I'm going to be replacing a 5 year old Sony XBR 65900B, which, in my opinion, has been a great TV, but I'm ready to experience HDR and move into the modern age of 4k, I was an early adopter.

I really dont have any complaints with my current set, except for the fact I cant take advantage of any HDR content.

Questions.
I'm assuming either one of the TVs I'm considering would be a big improvement? Maybe not, but I'm basing my assumption on 5 years of small tech improvements, not much more.

Primary use will be online content through Roku and movies, dont care about the sound the TV can produce as I have invested in a decent surround system. This will be placed in my basement, so i can watch TV with no natural light source, I know nothing compareds to OLED for black levels, but I'm not going to invest in an OlED with twin 5 year old boys and worry about burn in every day. Will these TVs perform well in that environment? Again, I'd hope either aet would be an upgrade over current TV, either will in terms of size for sure.

I dknt play games, ut imagine my boys will start, but this is not a factor for me.

I obtained pricing for both 75" sets, and I'm having a hard time justifying the $2k premium for the Z9F. Thoughts? I unde6there are some advantages with the Z9F over the 95G, but I'm thinking that even if I go with the 95G I will be extremely pleased over what I'm using today, knowing this is subjective?

My purpose for the upgrade, larger TV and the ability to watch HDR content.

I've read through this forum, alot of good info., just looking for some input on my particular situation.
Thanks!!
Go with the 950G the Z9F is going to go away soon...The 950G get's very bright to my eyes and I saw each set side by side. There were very very small difference in the sets no way 2000 more.

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Sony clearly has better video processing, but the Vizio is using a panel with better contrast and has far more dimming zones. I think the comparison between the two TVs sums up the frustration that many have with Sony's current direction. In the sports car world, it's like pairing a great handling chassis with an underpowered engine.
Still better than a big motor on a meh chassis.
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Still better than a big motor on a meh chassis.

Not a muscle car guy (I'm not really much of one either)? However, I'd rather have a good chassis and a lot of power, much like Sony's 2016-2017 lineup, in relative terms.
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Go with the 950G the Z9F is going to go away soon...The 950G get's very bright to my eyes and I saw each set side by side. There were very very small difference in the sets no way 2000 more.

TC........

Great, thanks for the advice. I've seen both tv's in person, but not side by side. I'm leaning heavily towards the 95G
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Hi,
Nee to the forum.
I'm on the fence between the Z9F and 950G, 75".

I'm going to be replacing a 5 year old Sony XBR 65900B, which, in my opinion, has been a great TV, but I'm ready to experience HDR and move into the modern age of 4k, I was an early adopter.

I really dont have any complaints with my current set, except for the fact I cant take advantage of any HDR content.

Questions.
I'm assuming either one of the TVs I'm considering would be a big improvement? Maybe not, but I'm basing my assumption on 5 years of small tech improvements, not much more.

Primary use will be online content through Roku and movies, dont care about the sound the TV can produce as I have invested in a decent surround system. This will be placed in my basement, so i can watch TV with no natural light source, I know nothing compareds to OLED for black levels, but I'm not going to invest in an OlED with twin 5 year old boys and worry about burn in every day. Will these TVs perform well in that environment? Again, I'd hope either aet would be an upgrade over current TV, either will in terms of size for sure.

I dknt play games, ut imagine my boys will start, but this is not a factor for me.

I obtained pricing for both 75" sets, and I'm having a hard time justifying the $2k premium for the Z9F. Thoughts? I unde6there are some advantages with the Z9F over the 95G, but I'm thinking that even if I go with the 95G I will be extremely pleased over what I'm using today, knowing this is subjective?

My purpose for the upgrade, larger TV and the ability to watch HDR content.

I've read through this forum, alot of good info., just looking for some input on my particular situation.
Thanks!!
Z9D. They are discounted and are drying up fast.
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You right on all the points. As I said, I bought and returned three LG OLED C8 for the above reasons, however I just hope they will fix most of it on the C9. The picture is simply stunning especially for a dark room but with the present flaws it will not do. If they don’t, this X950G must do. Samsung is good but I just hate the motion. Vizio or LG LED never tried so I don’t know.
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Wow. I thought LG OLED 2018 panels had improved according to YOUTUBE Reviewers, but obviously not based on your experience. I myself had to return 3 x LG OLEDs [2017 models] because of vertical banding in dark scenes. Reviewers keep saying you cannot see it in real content, but you can. This is a key reason I am considering SONY LED TV, plus I like the Processing.
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Not a muscle car guy (I'm not really much of one either)? However, I'd rather have a good chassis and a lot of power, much like Sony's 2016-2017 lineup, in relative terms.
It was in regard to Vizio (the compare in your original post)that has specs but many owners less than thrilled after a few drives.
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Hi,
Nee to the forum.
I'm on the fence between the Z9F and 950G, 75".

I'm going to be replacing a 5 year old Sony XBR 65900B, which, in my opinion, has been a great TV, but I'm ready to experience HDR and move into the modern age of 4k, I was an early adopter.

I really dont have any complaints with my current set, except for the fact I cant take advantage of any HDR content.

Questions.
I'm assuming either one of the TVs I'm considering would be a big improvement? Maybe not, but I'm basing my assumption on 5 years of small tech improvements, not much more.

Primary use will be online content through Roku and movies, dont care about the sound the TV can produce as I have invested in a decent surround system. This will be placed in my basement, so i can watch TV with no natural light source, I know nothing compareds to OLED for black levels, but I'm not going to invest in an OlED with twin 5 year old boys and worry about burn in every day. Will these TVs perform well in that environment? Again, I'd hope either aet would be an upgrade over current TV, either will in terms of size for sure.

I dknt play games, ut imagine my boys will start, but this is not a factor for me.

I obtained pricing for both 75" sets, and I'm having a hard time justifying the $2k premium for the Z9F. Thoughts? I unde6there are some advantages with the Z9F over the 95G, but I'm thinking that even if I go with the 95G I will be extremely pleased over what I'm using today, knowing this is subjective?

My purpose for the upgrade, larger TV and the ability to watch HDR content.

I've read through this forum, alot of good info., just looking for some input on my particular situation.
Thanks!!
I would go with the x950g that is theoretically on par with the Z9F. However if you could still locate a Z9D that would be even better. Also since you're looking at a 75" the x900f would be worth a look with its superior contrast to the x950g and perhaps a nice closeout deal to boot.

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Thoughts? I unde6there are some advantages with the Z9F over the 95G, but I'm thinking that even if I go with the 95G I will be extremely pleased over what I'm using today, knowing this is subjective?
75 Z9F is a top notch and way better. X95G is somewhere near X900F.
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It was in regard to Vizio (the compare in your original post)that has specs but many owners less than thrilled after a few drives.

The Vizio is like an older Mustang with solid rear axle.
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Z9D. They are discounted and are drying up fast.

I'll see if I can get pricing on one, should find out on Monday, I didn't think to ask about that model.
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I'll see if I can get pricing on one, should find out on Monday, I didn't think to ask about that model.
For the price of a 75 950G or Z9F, I'd look at the 85" 900F instead. If you have the room for a 85, of course.
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For $500 more than the 75 X950G, I'd definitely try to find a remaining 75Z9D.
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So just making sure. This set will support Variable Refresh Rate right? (65” X950G)

I'm fairly sure that no current Sony TVs support VRR.
Thanks for the quick reply. I thought 2019 was the year mainstream sets were getting VRR along with HDMI 2.1 for 4K60 HDR 10bit 4:4:4
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My wife and I rearranged our living room furniture, and now I realize that her favorite recliner is about 35% off axis. So now she's saying that we shouldn't be buying any LCD TV if I expect her to sit there! So, now I'm back to looking at OLED. Hmmmm.
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My wife and I rearranged our living room furniture, and now I realize that her favorite recliner is about 35% off axis. So now she's saying that we shouldn't be buying any LCD TV if I expect her to sit there! So, now I'm back to looking at OLED. Hmmmm.
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Thanks for the quick reply. I thought 2019 was the year mainstream sets were getting VRR along with HDMI 2.1 for 4K60 HDR 10bit 4:4:4

LG OLEDs will have HDMI 2.1 this year, but the only HDMI 2.1 feature Sony TVs include is eARC.
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Is she worth it?
Well, that's a valid question.

I'm debating whether to give up on Sony or give up on her!
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Well, that's a valid question.

I'm debating whether to give up on Sony or give up on her!

Buying two separate TV's would be cheaper than a divorce. Just sayin'.
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My wife and I rearranged our living room furniture, and now I realize that her favorite recliner is about 35% off axis. So now she's saying that we shouldn't be buying any LCD TV if I expect her to sit there! So, now I'm back to looking at OLED. Hmmmm.
So tell her that you now need to go with the 75.
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So I've been using the 55 inch Sony x950g for about 5 days now. Heavy use.

My opinion of it keeps improving. This is a very solid performer. Once I got used to the raised black levels, PQ is fine (was replacing an OLED).

Definitely will be keeping it as a long term secondary TV. Great for PC use, gaming. Not so much for movies as the blooming in the black bars will drive me crazy.

Just like rtings said this TV doesn't need much picture adjustment out of the box. Looks great at default settings.

The only big issue i've come across is the internal memory.
Sony's specs say it comes with 16gb of on board memory. BUT actually there is only about 4.4gb free out of the box.

This 4.4 gb disappears after watching a few hours of Netflix or using Chromecast to watch movies on the internal apps. Then I start to get a warning message that memory is full. I think it might be a problem with the firmware but it saves a lot of the cache files and never deletes it. I have to go in a manually delete the Chromecast cache files to free up the memory. After about 4 hours of built in app use on this TV the Chromecast cache hit 4gb basically taking up all the free space on the internal memory.

I cannot move any of the stock internal apps to a USB drive, nor can I delete them. Bloatware such a headache.

As my primary use of this TV is PC, I don't use the internal apps that much, I'm not so worried about going in and manually clearing the cache for apps from time to time. But I would be worried for people who buy this TV and use the internal Apps a lot, the memory will fill up often.
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