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The X900G is simply the 49X900F continued https://www.sony.co.uk/electronics/televisions/xg9005-series
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This X950G looks to have promise, but I don't think it will be in any way enough to justify moving from by current X900F for me. Will wait for reviews.
I don't think so. X900F has low contrast ratio and even X900E is better. X95G should be significantly better. More local zones, new speakers...
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That will be weird if they have the 900G, Z9G, and add a unit in between, the 950G
Why? It was exactly in that way in 2017. X900E-X930E-X940E-Z9D
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Why? It was exactly in that way in 2017. X900E-X930E-X940E-Z9D
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65X900F started at $2300.. so this set is actually cheaper despite inflation.

Personally, and I hate to disagree with all of you guys on how awesome this TV may be, but I don't think it's going to be a game-changer or anything of the sort. I think it'll be a slightly tweaked X900 and priced as such. I've been holding out and researching for months, and I think I'll probably end up with an X900 once I feel the prices have hit rock-bottom.

If this TV had HDMI 2.1, it would be a different story. But IMO, take the cheap X900 now and then upgrade to something nicer than the X950 a few years down the road that is more future-proof.

I eyed the 65Z9D's for too long at $2000 and now they're all gone. I'm still kicking myself for not grabbing that $1899 priced one I saw on Amazon.

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UK RRP has been published for the X95 range:

55" £1,899.00
65" £2,499.00
75" £3,999.00
85" Price unavailable (my guess: £5,999.00)

https://www.sony.co.uk/electronics/t...delPrices=true

For comparison ZF9 above this range:

65" £2,799.00
75" £4,999.00

And XF90 below this range:

55" £1,399.00
65" £1,799.00
75" £2,999.00
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Price will drop down to autumn . Best time to make a purchase
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Im ok with everything about XG95 except lack of HDMI 2.1
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MSRP is already available for the US. The 75" is $3500, 65" is $2200, and the 55" is $1400. The prices are very competitive and are already lower than that of the X930E for at least the first six months of its lifecycle.
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I’m dying to know how the wide angle tech will affect contrast and blooming on the 75” and 85” models. Hopefully it won’t be much (or nothing at all), and they keep those OLED-like black levels and minimal blooming like the early impressions mention about the 65” version. Hopefully the street date isn’t too far from now.

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MSRP is already available for the US. The 75" is $3500, 65" is $2200, and the 55" is $1400. The prices are very competitive and are already lower than that of the X930E for at least the first six months of its lifecycle.
Still no pricing on the Sony USA site. Do you veterans expect to see any discounting on the 75" at launch? What has history shown? Also, interesting that one can get a 65" OLED C8/E8 for less than the X950G list price.
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Still no pricing on the Sony USA site. Do you veterans expect to see any discounting on the 75" at launch? What has history shown? Also, interesting that one can get a 65" OLED C8/E8 for less than the X950G list price.

These are preorder prices from an authorized Sony distributor. I doubt that there will be discounting from authorized distributors at launch and the $3500 price will hold for at least a few months. Regarding the C8, it probably is possible to get it for less than the X950G, but comparing apples to apples, it is still several hundred more expensive from authorized distributors.
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Is every single person looking at 950G because of fear of OLED burn-in? I am. The reviews on C8/E8 are so stellar overall, so is everyone on this thread sharing that concern or is it brightness or ???
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Is every single person looking at 950G because of fear of OLED burn-in? I am. The reviews on C8/E8 are so stellar overall, so is everyone on this thread sharing that concern or is it brightness or ???
OLED owner here. I'm only interested in the 75" due to size and specs and of course burn-in in my current OLED. Either this 75" or Samsung's new Q9 75" will be my primary tv for streaming. Another OLED 65" (A9F/A9G or E9/C9 or GZ2000) will be my go to for 4k blu-rays.
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Or maybe they need something >=75". For me, the minimum size I would consider is 85". So for 2019 the only choices from Sony are this and the Z9G.
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900F will continue, no G model. As it's listed with same dynamic range difference than standard panel (6x) as the 900F i'm not sure what this thing will offer. I've heard it's incrementally an improvement from the 900F but is NOT the 930/940 tier we have been expecting. Netflix Calibrated Mode, CalMan, X1 Ultimate, faster OS and X-Wide on 75/85 are the differences. Oh. Let's not forget Acoustic Multi Audio!

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any discounting on the 75" at launch? What has history shown?
Based on CashbackMonitor and Slickdeals, typically cash back sites will have their larger offers during holidays. If the TV is out before Presidents Day, I suppose it's possible there could be roughly 10%-12% cash back offers at Dell in February or March. The next big cash back times are likely to be Ebates Birthday and Memorial Day in May, and in 2018 the peaks were 15% and 20% from Dell in May. Apparently the X900F had already went through two price drops by Memorial Day, so that might have been a decent time to buy early in the product cycle last year. There are online warnings about restocking fees at Dell, I'm not sure why Dell is not included in the current Sony Authorized list from 2017, and of course it typically makes sense to read the fine print. Anyway, that's the best I have come up with for plausible early deals. I'll likely wait for November pricing and cash back to see what happens with 77" OLED prices in 2019.
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Is every single person looking at 950G because of fear of OLED burn-in? I am. The reviews on C8/E8 are so stellar overall, so is everyone on this thread sharing that concern or is it brightness or ???
It is a bit more than that...

- Reason number one is burn in risk...there is no doubt

- reason number two is cost especially for big sizes....

- reason number 3 is high brightness especially without apl. This has direct impact on color volumes.

- reason number 4 is near black details. Oled improves a lot but still not there for me. Sony is especially good at that

- reason number 5 is motion. The x motion clarity puts Sony in a special league. Oled has an incredible response time but a good lcd has still the edge...again for me.

- reason number 6 is the nature of woled. The high brighteness driven by the white subpixel has an impact on colour saturation.samsung is the kind there as color are beautiful at high brightness.

These are more difference than major points. Facts remains that Oled burn in and the risk related is factor number one
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Based on CashbackMonitor and Slickdeals, typically cash back sites will have their larger offers during holidays. If the TV is out before Presidents Day, I suppose it's possible there could be roughly 10%-12% cash back offers at Dell in February or March. The next big cash back times are likely to be Ebates Birthday and Memorial Day in May, and in 2018 the peaks were 15% and 20% from Dell in May. Apparently the X900F had already went through two price drops by Memorial Day, so that may have been a decent time to buy early in the product cycle last year. There are online warnings about restocking fees at Dell, and I'm not sure why Dell is not currently listed in the Sony Authorized list from 2017, but that's the best I have come up with for plausible early deals. I think I'll wait to see what happens with 77" OLED prices in 2019, compared to the low point I saw of $4800 from an Authorized Dealer in 2018, so November pricing and cash back is probably more my speed.

https://keepa.com/#!product/1-B078H2DWZS
Thank you for the detailed and thorough response! I am still trying to figure out if I buy 2018 vs 2019, OLED vs LED (Sony vs Samsung vs newly announced 75" Vizio Quantum). I'm still not sure about the direction, but I'm pretty sure I'd like to buy one by Memorial Day or 4th of July latest. I would buy even sooner but I just dont want to pay top dollar.
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900F will continue, no G model. As it's listed with same dynamic range difference than standard panel (6x) as the 900F i'm not sure what this thing will offer. I've heard it's incrementally an improvement from the 900F but is NOT the 930/940 tier we have been expecting. Netflix Calibrated Mode, CalMan, X1 Ultimate, faster OS and X-Wide on 75/85 are the differences. Oh. Let's not forget Acoustic Multi Audio!
Don't know what you're getting at here. 900G an evolution of the F with some minor tweaks and the 950G is a step up with newer processor and other enhancements. Sounds like a true successor to the 930e. How the larger ones compare to the 940e is still up for review. The 65" 950G may be the sleeper in this line.
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900F will continue, no G model. As it's listed with same dynamic range difference than standard panel (6x) as the 900F i'm not sure what this thing will offer. I've heard it's incrementally an improvement from the 900F but is NOT the 930/940 tier we have been expecting. Netflix Calibrated Mode, CalMan, X1 Ultimate, faster OS and X-Wide on 75/85 are the differences. Oh. Let's not forget Acoustic Multi Audio!
Don't know what you're getting at here. 900G an evolution of the F with some minor tweaks and the 950G is a step up with newer processor and other enhancements. Sounds like a true successor to the 930e. How the larger ones compare to the 940e is still up for review. The 65" 950G may be the sleeper in this line.
What is a sleeper? You mean a hidden gem or something ?
You guys in the USA are lucky because your 55 and 65 are priced super competitive...
In uk, we are getting screwed at 55 and just about ok at 65
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Don't know what you're getting at here. 900G an evolution of the F with some minor tweaks and the 950G is a step up with newer processor and other enhancements. Sounds like a true successor to the 930e. How the larger ones compare to the 940e is still up for review. The 65" 950G may be the sleeper in this line.
There is no 900G. The 950G will be an incremental upgrade over the 900F and NOT the 930/940 replacmeent everyone wants it to be. If you're thinking the 950G is going to be nearly 2000 nits i think you're going to be wholly disappointed.

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In the US at least, i have a Sony map that shows our 900F will continue unchanged.

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Is every single person looking at 950G because of fear of OLED burn-in? I am. The reviews on C8/E8 are so stellar overall, so is everyone on this thread sharing that concern or is it brightness or ???

ABL reduces the desirability of OLED for gaming, IMO, and is the most significant reason I have avoided OLEDs thus far. For example, I think that my x930e is better than an OLED for gaming as it has far greater brightness and no banding. Blooming is an issue for these LCDs, but I will make the trade-off for a better gaming set.
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There is no 900G. The 950G will be an incremental upgrade over the 900F and NOT the 930/940 replacmeent everyone wants it to be. If you're thinking the 950G is going to be nearly 2000 nits i think you're going to be wholly disappointed.

I hope that's not the case, though you may be right. Based on US pricing, I think it is more probable that you are correct and this will be an evolution of the X900F, but the nomenclature (950 > 900) raised hopes that the X950G would be a successor to the X930/940E.
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Thanks guys for the many various reasons not to head into LG OLED. I didn't realize that size was restricted; I didn't realize that gaming was impacted by the technology, etc. I only knew of the burn-in (which scares me off of OLED because it seems like every channel now has logo always showing, and I don't even want to think about such an issue), and I knew that OLED's weren't quite as bright as (especially) the 930E and (hopefully) the 950G. Thanks for educating me.
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There is no 900G. The 950G will be an incremental upgrade over the 900F and NOT the 930/940 replacmeent everyone wants it to be. If you're thinking the 950G is going to be nearly 2000 nits i think you're going to be wholly disappointed.
How good is the 930/940? Just curious. I think 950 will be better due to X1 Ultimate.
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There is no 900G. The 950G will be an incremental upgrade over the 900F and NOT the 930/940 replacmeent everyone wants it to be. If you're thinking the 950G is going to be nearly 2000 nits i think you're going to be wholly disappointed.
If there is or isn't a 900g is immaterial. It was only going to be an extension of the 900f anyway but I don't understand your take on the 950g. Why would you not expect more zones and brightness than the 900? You seem to have a very negative take on this model when every other current model in the series gets brighter and has more dimming zones as the models #s go up. A 930e had more zones and more brightness than the 900f and it's only logical to assume the same of the 950G. If it has 1650 or more nits and 72 or more zones, it's a replacement plus you get true FALD that the 930E did not and the better processing of the top models.

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