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930E FTW. I own the 950G and will say that I wish I had a 930E. It is a much better TV. I would return the 950 for a 930E but my only option would be to order one from amazon. Contrast, blooming, black levels, and motion handling are better on the 930E. The only thing is that you would be purchasing a 2017 model over a 2019 model.
Is blooming really that bad on the new 950G?

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just a comment on the 950's (we have one on our floor) fired up a 3yr old 930C we still had in the back. Side by side the picture looks identical but a bit deeper blacks and better motion. Both far above the 900 but short the Z and A
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Also, is Dolby Vision better implemented in this TV than in 900F?

Is it brighter or is it still too dim?

I'm between this TV in 55 (when it's around 1400€) or the 900F in 65 (1500€ right now).

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Does anyone with an x950g also have a receiver or sound bar with eARC support? If so, does linear PCM 5.1 (e.g. from game console) pass through over eARC?

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I find myself growing fond of the X950G and would get the 55 inch due to the space I have to work with and the cost would only be 150 dollars more than the X900F and I favor the low input lag and the X1 Ultimate Processor which makes the picture look phenomenal.
If 55'' X95G is only 150 dollars more than X900F I wouldn't think more than 5 seconds and I would buy X95G. In the country where I live 55'' X95G will cost around 850 dollars more than 55'' X900F and it is still not available :-(

Don't expect that Ultimate Processor will give you better picture quality than Extreme. It won't.


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My concern is that in video games I play a lot of 30fps games such as Assassins Creed, Tomb Raider, etc. I always play in game mode for the fastest response time, that being said, can you or anyone else here please comment on stuttering at low frame rates, would that be a potential deal breaker for purchasing this tv.
30fps is quite low. I would see stutter in games at that fps

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I regularly use Netflix, Twitch, YouTube, the built in Chromecast, external USB drives with videos on them, even the internet browser. I also regularly tweak the settings based on what i'm watching. The TV is such a pleasure to use compared to the X900F
Faster Android processor is the biggest improvement in X95G. It shows how Sony treated their costumers with x900f series by putting there outdated, slow processor (Mediatek) causing a lot of frustration just to save a few dollars on faster chip.

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One thing I have yet to notice however, is the benefits of the X1 Ultimate over the X1 Extreme.
I doubt that you will notice any improvement of PQ due to Ultimate processor. None of the reviews noticed it.


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Read up on Black Frame Insertion, this TV only supports 120hz and the BFI rate needs to match the games frame rate to work properly or you will get image duplication.
That is correct. You will get dupplication maybe apart from the case when you use 120Hz input signal (for instance from PC) and 120 Hz mode on TV such as 1080/120Hz which is possible on both X900f and x95g. However even with duplication with 60fps content motion blur is reduced. This shouldn't be confused with judder/stuttering.

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The TV upsamples everything to the 120hz panel frequency, like all better TVs, whether BFI is engaged or not so that is not correct. Clearness 1 is also localized bfi. The reason they've gone to 120hz only is to reduce flicker and artifacts, just the opposite of what you're describing.
That is correct that TV 'upsamples' everything to the 120hz however the 60fps content is still 60fps content (without interpolation) even when shown on 120Hz panel. Frames as simply duplicated in order to get 120fps (without interpolation). This is like playing low fps game on very fast monitor. High speed of monitor doesn't really help if you get low fps from console/PC since 30fps on 240Hz monitor is still 30fps......

That is why you get duplication with 60fps content when using 120Hz BFI even on 120Hz panel. That 120Hz BFI reduces flicker as you said but I don't know what you mean by saying "...and artifacts". In fact that duplication is an artefact.

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Any owners can comment on the reflections of the panel?

I just watched the HDTVtest review of the 900F, which is very similar to the 950G, and the reflections on the panel during the video were horrible. Too much.

I want this TV but I have a bright living room. Can someone post pictures or videos or comment on this?

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I have several windows in the same room as the tv.

Reflections are obvious when the tv is turned off but i haven't noticed them while watching the tv.
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That is correct that TV 'upsamples' everything to the 120hz however the 60fps content is still 60fps content (without interpolation) even when shown on 120Hz panel. Frames as simply duplicated in order to get 120fps (without interpolation). This is like playing low fps game on very fast monitor. High speed of monitor doesn't really help if you get low fps from console/PC since 30fps na 240Hz monitor is still 30fps......

That is why you get duplication with 60fps content when using 120Hz BFI even on 120Hz panel. That 120Hz BFI reduces flicker as you said but I don't know what you mean by saying "...and artifacts". In fact those duplication is an artefact.
That is there with 120hz BFI on or off on a 120hz panel. Once strong enough, BFI will be more invasive to darken or show visible flicker but with these TVs and set to level 1, shouldn't show additional artifacts. If these sets operate as lower frequency panels depending on game settings when in game mode, that may not be the case.
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Also, does local dimming work on game mode?

I read on the Q9FN forums that it does not work in game mode on that TV.

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Yes, it does.
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Do u mind capturing the blooming on video or picture? I want to see how much better it is on the z9f. On my monitor it completely ruins the scene. And this monitor has 384 dimming zones.
I see less blooming on your monitor than the Z9f
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I'm looking to replace my 2007 Pioneer Kuro with a super large 4K HDR TV. 75 or 85 inch X950G seems like a good option within my budget. I would like some information from owners of the 75" since the 85" is not out yet. I would need the X-Wide angle so X900F in the same sizes is not an option.

My concerns are these: How bad is black level level and contrast for dark room movie watching which will be 90% of the use? And is blooming that noticeable?

Where I live it would be a little hard to demo in ideal conditions before buying so advice from real owners would be greatly appreciated.

I'm also looking at 77 Oleds from Sony and LG but are more expensive and I don't know about burnin
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OLED is a best solution in that scenario.
No blooming on OLED........burn in is rare, but the 85" is a lot bigger
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Okay so here's my 75" ZF9 shot with my iPhone X. As this TV has the X-Wide filter it's prone to blooming and elevated blacks when an dark and intensely bright area share the same backlight zone. This really is worst case scenario/torture test for blooming and sure it's visible but it's only around 20-40% as pronounced with my own eyes as the camera exacerbate the blooming.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rmdj7oZeIJE
In person I’m guessing you see next to no blooming. Yeah the camera definitely brought out the blooming. This would be a nice video for 950g owners to run.

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Are there any 75 inch 950 owners here that either switched / upgraded from Samsung or considered the latter prior to purchasing the 950? I'm interested in learning more about the Sonys because I'm considering a 75 inch q8fn but may spring for a 950 for the marginally better motion. This will be a mixed use no gaming TV . Hows dse?
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In person I’m guessing you see next to no blooming. Yeah the camera definitely brought out the blooming. This would be a nice video for 950g owners to run.
Video has bad focus and no contrast...too dark. I'm for content and not looking for glowing lights in the dark.
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A few questions about the X950G:

1. Can you plug a USB keyboard/mouse and use it to browse the internet?

2. What browser is in the OS and does it support flash?

3. Can you pair a set of bluetooth headphones to the TV?

Thanks in advance.
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Does anyone with an x950g also have a receiver or sound bar with eARC support? If so, does linear PCM 5.1 (e.g. from game console) pass through over eARC?

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I got the HT-Z9F hooked up to it via eARC. With PS4 & Xbox I can get DD+ or DTS. I get Linear PCM 5.1 via PC.
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Will high motion interpolation like MotionFlow or X-motion clarity offset stutter?

Will high motion interpolation like MotionFlow or x-motion clarity offset stutter? (I hate stutter over anything else)

I planned on buying the x950g Sony, but it has poor stutter score on rtings.

I love motion interpolation soap opera effect, so if that fixes it, that would solve the problem.

(I know from my x930D that I have to have Cinemotion off)

If the motion scores of super smooth, non-stutter, & non-flicker are the only things I care about in a TV, what would be the best over-all TV in the mid-price range like the x950g?

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I got the HT-Z9F hooked up to it via eARC. With PS4 & Xbox I can get DD+ or DTS. I get Linear PCM 5.1 via PC.
Rtings said in their review that DTS will not passthrough eArc to a soundbar.

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Rtings said in their review that DTS will not passthrough eArc to a soundbar.

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I get DTS and DTS- HD Master Audio via eARC. So rtings' information is incorrect or the Z9F soundbar is displaying it incorrectly. Z9F has a status screen that says which type of audio is playing. Literally says "DTS - HD Master 48khz".

Afro samurai Blu Ray has both Dolby- True HD & DTS- HD Master audio tracks. I use that to test. The DTS Master audio is way better than Dolby True HD in my opinion.
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Netflix error sony 55x950g

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Netflix App no longer working on my sony (55x950g)

error Code: tvq-nw-104 (404)

attached a screen capture of error.

Tried to restart TV, reset Netflix (re-login), reset router, and even reset the entire TV from scratch! (unplug TV for 5 minutes etc)

TV can connect to Youtube, amazonPrime, etc, it just has a problem with logging into netflix. If I give it wrong credentials , it tells me wrong password, but with correct credentials, I get the error code. This has been going on for almost 24 hours.


When I do network check from within netflix on the TV, everything is good, but the "stupid" TV doesn't log into netflix to play shows!

I called Netflix technical support and they said this error code is only happening on sony smart tvs but they don't have a fix, the problem is under "research".

I can connect to netflix using roku connected to the TV, but I prefer the Netflix built into the TV because of the Netflix calibrated mode, anybody else having this problem?
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Will high motion interpolation like MotionFlow or x-motion clarity offset stutter? (I hate stutter over anything else)

I planned on buying the x950g Sony, but it has poor stutter score on rtings.

I love motion interpolation soap opera effect, so if that fixes it, that would solve the problem.

(I know from my x930D that I have to have Cinemotion off)

If the motion scores of super smooth, non-stutter, & non-flicker are the only things I care about in a TV, what would be the best over-all TV in the mid-price range like the x950g?
I love soap opera effect too. I have this question
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A few questions about the X950G:

1. Can you plug a USB keyboard/mouse and use it to browse the internet?

Yes, Logitech K400 Plus Keyboard


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Netflix App no longer working on my sony (55x950g)

error Code: tvq-nw-104 (404)

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Tried to restart TV, reset Netflix (re-login), reset router, and even reset the entire TV from scratch! (unplug TV for 5 minutes etc)

TV can connect to Youtube, amazonPrime, etc, it just has a problem with logging into netflix. If I give it wrong credentials , it tells me wrong password, but with correct credentials, I get the error code. This has been going on for almost 24 hours.


When I do network check from within netflix on the TV, everything is good, but the "stupid" TV doesn't log into netflix to play shows!

I called Netflix technical support and they said this error code is only happening on sony smart tvs but they don't have a fix, the problem is under "research".

I can connect to netflix using roku connected to the TV, but I prefer the Netflix built into the TV because of the Netflix calibrated mode, anybody else having this problem?
Just checked and mine is dead too. Looked for updates but nothing. Login through computer is fine.

Gee, is it Sony, Google or Netflix?
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Just checked and mine is dead too. Looked for updates but nothing. Login through computer is fine.

Gee, is it Sony, Google or Netflix?
I'm at day 28 of my 30 day return window to Best Buy, if not resolved by tonight, I'm not taking any chances, returning the TV back to best buy in exchange for another one.

I called Netflix last night (they said its a Sony TV problem), sent an email to Sony and they responded like below, but I've already done that stuff but no success...


Sony email...

Thank you for choosing Sony Email Support!

We received your inquiry regarding your XBR55X950G and we appreciate the opportunity to help you.

Based on the description, we understand you are unable to get Netflix and it is giving error. You can access the below link and clear the cache and data of the TV.
https://www.sony.com/electronics/sup...icles/00202472
If the issue still persists you can perform factory reset on the TV. Below is the link:
https://www.sony.com/electronics/sup...icles/00159487
Access the link and follow the instructions that are under 'Option B Factory data reset'.
If you have any concern, you can get back to us via chat or phone.

Should you need further assistance, our team is available every day via email or chat:
• Reach Email/Chat through this link https://www.sony.com/electronics/support/ from 8:00 A.M. to 12:00 A.M. (midnight) ET.
• Or by phone at 800-222-7669 Mon-Fri 10:00am - 9:00pm ET and Sat. 10:00am - 7:00pm ET

You can also visit our page www.sony.com for the latest information about Sony products and services.


Regards,
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I'm at day 28 of my 30 day return window to Best Buy, if not resolved by tonight, I'm not taking any chances, returning the TV back to best buy in exchange for another one.

I called Netflix last night (they said its a Sony TV problem), sent an email to Sony and they responded like below, but I've already done that stuff but no success...


Sony email...

Thank you for choosing Sony Email Support!

We received your inquiry regarding your XBR55X950G and we appreciate the opportunity to help you.

Based on the description, we understand you are unable to get Netflix and it is giving error. You can access the below link and clear the cache and data of the TV.
https://www.sony.com/electronics/sup...icles/00202472
If the issue still persists you can perform factory reset on the TV. Below is the link:
https://www.sony.com/electronics/sup...icles/00159487
Access the link and follow the instructions that are under 'Option B Factory data reset'.
If you have any concern, you can get back to us via chat or phone.

Should you need further assistance, our team is available every day via email or chat:
• Reach Email/Chat through this link https://www.sony.com/electronics/support/ from 8:00 A.M. to 12:00 A.M. (midnight) ET.
• Or by phone at 800-222-7669 Mon-Fri 10:00am - 9:00pm ET and Sat. 10:00am - 7:00pm ET

You can also visit our page www.sony.com for the latest information about Sony products and services.


Regards,
Sophie


Sony Service and Support
Looks like the same system message I got with my player issue.

It's not the TV and returning is a drastic measure. I'm sure if someone else tries with their 950G, they'll get the same thing. It's something on the Google/Netflix side.
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Looks like the same system message I got with my player issue.

It's not the TV and returning is a drastic measure. I'm sure if someone else tries with their 950G, they'll get the same thing. It's something on the Google/Netflix side.
I also have a 65x850F TV also that I have also updated the android to the same level as x950g, this TV does not have the Netflix issue. Can other people PLEASE confirm if Netflix is working on their x950g TVs now? Thanks! Chris
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Will high motion interpolation like MotionFlow or x-motion clarity offset stutter? (I hate stutter over anything else)

I planned on buying the x950g Sony, but it has poor stutter score on rtings.

I love motion interpolation soap opera effect, so if that fixes it, that would solve the problem.

(I know from my x930D that I have to have Cinemotion off)

If the motion scores of super smooth, non-stutter, & non-flicker are the only things I care about in a TV, what would be the best over-all TV in the mid-price range like the x950g?
To answer your question, there is no stutter on this set. However, this depends on content. For example, everything I watch 100% perfect and smooth except on my PC I have to leave Cinemotion off. My pc settings are 4:4:4 60Hz output from gpu and fullscreen video settings are also synced to refresh rate via ReClock. So for some reason if I turn cinemotion on, it will stutter like crazy. This could be a bug because it never happened on my 900e. It could also be an issue with the AUTO cinemotion setting which allows the 950g to stop interpolation when it wants to. Other than this issue, I have been smooth and stutter-free. Don’t believe in the poor stutter score because Sony will always be number one in that category, unlike Samsung and lg who suffers from microstutter. Also, I don’t understand how you can love soap opera effect but leave cinemotion off. Cinemotion is the main contributor to the SOE especially if the 930d is using motionflow 960. Lastly, the 950g is not a good SOE tv. If you got used to cinemotion HIGH (motionflow 960), then you will immediately see a difference once you switch over to x-motion clarity. Don’t get me wrong, both are super smooth but I can tell that motionflow 960 produced faster frames. X motion seems slower but steady, smooth, and less artifacts. Your eyes get used to the tv either way. The 950 was a good buy for me, I am keeping it. However, I would check out the 930e if possible. I bought one Samsung in life Js8500, and I will never buy Samsung again. It was an ok tv but it stuttered. I’m sticking to Sony performance.
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Anyone for the other 2?

2. What browser is in the OS and does it support flash?

3. Can you pair a set of bluetooth headphones to the TV?
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Will high motion interpolation like MotionFlow or x-motion clarity offset stutter? (I hate stutter over anything else)

I planned on buying the x950g Sony, but it has poor stutter score on rtings.

I love motion interpolation soap opera effect, so if that fixes it, that would solve the problem.

(I know from my x930D that I have to have Cinemotion off)

If the motion scores of super smooth, non-stutter, & non-flicker are the only things I care about in a TV, what would be the best over-all TV in the mid-price range like the x950g?
The stutterscore on Rtings is directly related to the pixel response time, it has nothing to do with the picture processing. This rating was invented to penalize the OLED tv's with their almost instanteous response time that can lead to visible stutter with lower framerate material ...
Motionflow/interpolation does give you higher fps yes so that should be enough
X-Motion Clarity = BFI, the rest is still 'Motionflow'
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Has anyone tried running the Retroarch app (or any other retro game console emulation)? I'm curious if the new SOC is powerful enough to emulate PSX and N64 games at full speed.

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I have the 75 inch X950G and so far it has been great except for one major issue with Netflix internal app. I am running the tv on gigabit Wifi (gets around 400mbps realistically on test) and when I watch 4K films or shows via Netflix, I get audio cutouts every few minutes. I don’t have speakers connected / audio is coming through the tv. I originally had Ethernet and same issue occurs (switched to WiFi since Ethernet caps at 100mbps). Does anyone know of this issue and a possible remedy? In meantime I have to watch via Chromecast/PS4/or AppleTV 4K, but would like to use the internal AndroidTV system if possible.

Another thing I noticed is that chromecast built in google assistant commands do not work with YouTube TV. (Always points to tunein) Never had this issue before using my google home with chromecast.


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