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Yes, I use it daily. With Sony HT-Z9F
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8K and 2.1 HDMI are worthless at this point. I suppose sound would benefit from 2.1, but anything else forget it.
And I know you would be future proof for awhile but nothing is future proof. No 8K content except maybe a few you tube videos and hollywood still is way behind with 4K. Most movies are finished in 2K upscaled to 4K. By the time 8K hits the mainstream the TVS will be way different with who knows what for other technologies they put into the tvs. Why manufactures are acting like 3 year olds pushing new stuff so fast is beyond me. What profit could they possibly make on 8K at this point. They should get 4K and HDR right before pushing the next technology. And Sony any LED this year is trash.Why? they are putting there money in OLED and cutting back on LEDS The X950G black levels are bad and in a dark room blooming issues big time. Seen it with my own 2 eyes.
As usual, blooming and black level complaints are popping up again. And as usual, they're from people that don't own a 950. Going on three months now since buying ours. The 950 is one of the top TV's available and we enjoy ours every day.
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Why do you guys keep using the term ''Future Proof''?,If you been around long enough you know there is no such thing as future proof.And by now you know Sony's black levels suck this year and worse the X950G has big time blooming issues, it's bad. Sony just doesn't seem to care about LED in favor of OLED. Whoever is telling Sony management OLED is the future is sadly mistaken with Micro led around the corner. And if all I read turns out true ,OLED is going the way of the Dinosaur.
Obviously you don't own a 950g. Have had one for three months and it's simply stunning, right out of the box. We use factory picture settings and I would put its display up against any set on the market today. Also, the earc works flawlessly with an Apple 4k box and Sony DVD player. I couldn't have asked for a better set. If you're thinking about buying one, it's a great choice.
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Obviously you don't own a 950g. Have had one for three months and it's simply stunning, right out of the box. We use factory picture settings and I would put its display up against any set on the market today. Also, the earc works flawlessly with an Apple 4k box and Sony DVD player. I couldn't have asked for a better set. If you're thinking about buying one, it's a great choice.

Thanks for the reassurance...currently looking to replace my Panny 60VT60 with the 75X950G.


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I am loving my 75”. motion is great. blooming is hard to detect for me. if in total dark room with black screen and white credits it is detectable but with content and such a large screen i can not see it. Get it!


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^^^Agree with this^^^

New owner of the 75" x950g (previous plasma Samsung 64f8500-now in bedroom).
I'm liking this new set a lot. Great for sports/fast action, Black levels are actually better than I expected they would be, hearing comments and reviews from many that probably don't own this set, I was skeptical and a bit worried before purchase, but since setting up and having it for over a week now, I can say with certainty that my concerns were unwarranted. This set looks fantastic.
I don't watch in a completely dark room. There is always some light, usually very dim when watching movies, but blooming is really a non-issue for me, hardly noticeable if present at all. I really have to strain my eyes to try to see any bloom so, to me, I think it's really a lot to do about nothin'.

It seems people really tend to be a little over dramatic in there descriptions of perceived problems...cough...tomvinelli...cough.

From my experience so far, this set is a winner! Very happy with my purchase!
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I am loving my 75”. motion is great. blooming is hard to detect for me. if in total dark room with black screen and white credits it is detectable but with content and such a large screen i can not see it. Get it!

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Thanks...What scares me the most about buying such a large display is it magnifies the shortcomings of the display.



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@cwglideman ...thanks for the info.


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^^^Agree with this^^^

New owner of the 75" x950g (previous plasma Samsung 64f8500-now in bedroom).
I'm liking this new set a lot. Great for sports/fast action, Black levels are actually better than I expected they would be, !
Have you tried variety of black letterbox sizes like Netflix 2.0 vs Cinema 2.35, was local dimming on both on the spot i.e. they remained black?
Also, I've heard in one youtube video that 75 and 85 versions have more local dimming zones than 55 and 65. Does anyone know how many zones are present at each?
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I recently swapped out an AF9 display/demo screen (another story) for this Sony 950G. It will not go to a full screen on some channels watching Cable. On many channels, at least a 1/2 of screen is black with no picture, making the top of the tv have a huge boarder.

Under the screen settings, there is no ability to adjust the position - all choices are grayed out.

I found this: http://docs.esupport.sony.com/imanua...n_size_4k.html

which says that: "Wide Mode (This function is not available with an input signal resolution of 3840 × 2160.)"

I find this ridiculous. Is there any way around this issue? Possibly an update fix? I have the typical 15 day return to BB as it was delivered today.

Anyone else have this issue or can check their TV?

Thanks.

I returned the set last week. Wasn't happy with the dark line at the top on some channels and it could not be adjusted in the menu. Picture quality, even with the x1 ultimate processor, was only ok with cable - but not worth keeping for the $. imho.

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I returned the set last week. Wasn't happy with the dark line at the top on some channels and it could not be adjusted in the menu. Picture quality, even with the x1 ultimate processor, was only ok with cable - but not worth keeping for the $. imho.
What's your thoughts on the 950G vs the A9F? Thanks!

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Everyone here that owns a 950, regardless of the size states how great the set looks. Yet you say that the “problems” with the smaller screen are magnified on a larger screen. There are zero problems with our 65”. There are no problems to be magnified.
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Everyone here that owns a 950, regardless of the size states how great the set looks. Yet you say that the “problems” with the smaller screen are magnified on a larger screen. There are zero problems with our 65”. There are no problems to be magnified.
https://static.digitecgalaxus.ch/Fil...=inside|1416:h



Tjonathan0 how bad is blooming with HDR movies in your experience? Is something like the above photo bearable in real conditions?

Even the title of this review is about the haloing.

https://www.digitec.ch/en/s1/page/so...ith-halo-12483

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Everyone here that owns a 950, regardless of the size states how great the set looks. Yet you say that the “problems” with the smaller screen are magnified on a larger screen. There are zero problems with our 65”. There are no problems to be magnified.
Fairly certain that they were referring to less than optimum source content. Problems with the source can be magnified and more easily seen on larger screens.

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What's your thoughts on the 950G vs the A9F? Thanks!

I personally liked the A9F much better. They are two different types of tv's though. The A9F was much cleaner via a cable signal and the tilt design was actually quite helpful at reducing glare. I'd go OLED over Q-LED.
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Everyone here that owns a 950, regardless of the size states how great the set looks. Yet you say that the “problems” with the smaller screen are magnified on a larger screen. There are zero problems with our 65”. There are no problems to be magnified.

I guess this is directed at me? Good for "everyone". It's not as nice of a screen as an oled nor does it do justice to a cable signal, even with the x1U.

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Tjonathan0 how bad is blooming with HDR movies in your experience? Is something like the above photo bearable in real conditions?

Even the title of this review is about the haloing.

https://www.digitec.ch/en/s1/page/so...ith-halo-12483

You will see the blooming at night. Guaranteed. It was another reason it went back.

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Anyone seeing strange, umm tiny static, or micro-movement in almost white areas...scenes where light is coming in through windows, etc. Quite pronounced in the moody smoky interior shots of Handmaids Tale, where there are windows, or the white hoods they wear.

Instead of a flat white (technically very light gray), it is tiny pixelation or noise that moves like static. Quite distracting.

Anyone seeing that? Settings I should adjust?

Other than this, picture is fantastic.
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Everyone says Sony is better at upscaling and image is sharper. Ok, I was comparing Q90R to X950G [in Rtings] and find out that sample upscaling images don't look right.

Now check the bottom left where WAQUOIT BAY is written. And also RTINGS words on the right bottom. As you would see it's so blurry with X950G that almost impossible read the text. Not just upscaled 1080p, but it's same with 4K image too.
UPDATE... I just got a response from Rtings when I asked if maybe the poor picture of the X950G was because of how they captured the screenshot and they said "yes" "This is due to the capture method. We have to take the image out of focus in order to avoid too much moire, which results in some pictures appearing blurrier than others."

I had noticed the same thing!

I have a Sony X930D from 3 years ago, and in Rtings comparison of 1080p upscaled to 4k, and actual 4k pics - it is significantly clearer than the blurry pics of the X950G.


And... I did the same comparison with the Vizio Quantum X and Samsung Q80R - and again the 2019 Sony is definitely worse, whereas my old X930D is supposedly better - similar or better to the Vizio and Samsung.


I'm hoping that it's a defect in how they captured the picture of the X950G - especially because reviews all say that the X950G is now better at upscaling because it is object based.

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Hi guys,

Are there any good comparisons around between the 75 and 65 x95g? Most reviews seem to be based on the smaller models but would like some confidence that the X-Wide won't have a huge impact on quality. TIA.
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Are there any good comparisons around between the 75 and 65 x95g? Most reviews seem to be based on the smaller models but would like some confidence that the X-Wide won't have a huge impact on quality. TIA.
No one here that owns the 75" Z9F (which also has the X Wide layer) seems to mind it. The biggest thing the X Wide layer does is create different reflections. It does slightly affect the contrast ratio, but again, the 75" Z9F performs wonderfully despite the X Wide layer. Plus, for some.. wider viewing angles is actually a good thing.

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Red face Finally got the 950G

I left my beloved 65" Panasonic ZT 60 plasma display and had the new Sony 85" 950G installed.
In truth, when simply watching a regular TV show through cable, I didn't see that much of a difference. The Panasonic's black levels were simply beautiful and I had no complaint about the set. It just wasn't 4K and here I was already spending plenty replacing my blu rays with wanted 4K discs.

However, when I switched over from cable to watching a 4K disc, well, this is where I saw how beautiful the Sony display would be. Blacks are deep and fine detail is everywhere.
The Sony's owner's manual completely sucks and does not delve at all into the many features of the display and how best to use them or set the display up.
While I have no where near 200 hours on the Sony, I am still at a quandary as to when it will be best to find a professional calibrator here in San Diego. I would hate to have to resort to using Best Buy's Geek Squad calibrators..I simply have little confidence in them.

Other than these concerns, I think I made a good choice for the money.

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While I have no where near 200 hours on the Sony, I am still at a quandary as to when it will be best to find a professional calibrator here in San Diego. I would hate to have to resort to using Best Buy's Geek Squad calibrators..I simply have little confidence in them.
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I left my beloved 65" Panasonic ZT 60 plasma display and had the new Sony 85" 950G installed.
In truth, when simply watching a regular TV show through cable, I didn't see that much of a difference. The Panasonic's black levels were simply beautiful and I had no complaint about the set. It just wasn't 4K and here I was already spending plenty replacing my blu rays with wanted 4K discs.

However, when I switched over from cable to watching a 4K disc, well, this is where I saw how beautiful the Sony display would be. Blacks are deep and fine detail is everywhere.
The Sony's owner's manual completely sucks and does not delve at all into the many features of the display and how best to use them or set the display up.
While I have no where near 200 hours on the Sony, I am still at a quandary as to when it will be best to find a professional calibrator here in San Diego. I would hate to have to resort to using Best Buy's Geek Squad calibrators..I simply have little confidence in them.

Other than these concerns, I think I made a good choice for the money.

I'm using RTings settings for my 940E/950G/900E's. I simply changed the brightness level on the 950G and 900E's for the rooms they are in. It's a good base. I'm not saying it's as good as professional calibration but you have to remember that in HDR or DV, the panel sets all your settings for those. So for me it's really getting it calibrated to get a better picture out of your 720p cable source, which to my eyes, there is nothing significant that can be done there other than motion settings. 1080i, for lack of a better word, sucks. It sucks more and more for me as I go from my 900E 49" displays, to the 950G 55" display, and the worst is the 75" 940E. As the image gets blown up, or moving up in size it gets worse. When the source is 1080p, the upscaling is magnificent. The upscaling is excellent making a 1080p disc not 4k quality but getting it a good chunk of the way there. I simply don't watch 1080i content on my 75" panel save for something big, like a grand slam tennis tournament, the Superbowl or Football games in general, etc. Cable/Satellite viewing is done on smaller displays where it doesn't look as poor.



My 2 sore spots right now is Netflix not offering 4k discs in their snail mail program, and Satellite/Cable not updating to at least 1080p content across the board. At this point, and I don't really honestly know how long I've had "HD" satellite service, over 10 years, probably going back to 2007 iirc, but it's been over a decade and they need to get their S together. I updated all my Satellite hardware last year to 4k capable (4k Hopper/Joeys) yet the content providers are still stuck in 1080i land. Many of my movie channels are still in g damn SD.
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Not sure if it's due to Android operating system but while trying to change picture settings sometimes the tv would stop a movie from streaming ie...Vudu and Apple TV.

The built in wifi lost connection overnight and try to connect but each time the settings wouldn't let me change it back to on from off. I had to unplug the tv for it to work again.

Also, twice now even when settings were off for standby mode or sleep, the tv just randomly display the screen saver within 10 minutes even when a tv show is playing.

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Yes, I use it daily. With Sony HT-Z9F

I heard that sometime this year the Apple TV app will be added to the Sony 2019 series TVs. Does this mean that with Apple TV, I can view on my x950G in 4K UHD / Dolby Vision / Dolby Atmos the iTunes movies that support those formats?
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I heard that sometime this year the Apple TV app will be added to the Sony 2019 series TVs. Does this mean that with Apple TV, I can view on my x950G in 4K UHD / Dolby Vision / Dolby Atmos the iTunes movies that support those formats?
I don't trust apps that have been installed in the TVs operating system. I prefer to use a separate input for AppleTV, Roku, etc. The TV apps just seem to not perform as well regarding picture and sound quality. Not sure why...same with apps installed in my Comcast cable box. The stand alone just performs much better.

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I don't trust apps that have been installed in the TVs operating system. I prefer to use a separate input for AppleTV, Roku, etc. The TV apps just seem to not perform as well regarding picture and sound quality. Not sure why...same with apps installed in my Comcast cable box. The stand alone just performs much better.

Agreed. I had to take back a 900F after using an internal app. Screen froze, gray screen with some very strange diagonal lines that were multi-colored. When the picture came back I had a foggy grey area on the bottom right of the screen. Still worked but I had this grey area the size of a thumbprint at the bottom right. Thankfully I was an Elite + member so still within the window. Returned it for a 950g in the same size. No issues since and I will never use a native app again. Apple TV's on every panel in the house. 2 4k's and 2 1080p versions. After my experience I just think if there is an issue with app it taxes the processor and you have a small chance of what happened to me. Never again. I wish my panels were dumb. One of my ATV's bricks, it's a $99-179 device. The panel bricks it's $1000+
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I don't trust apps that have been installed in the TVs operating system. I prefer to use a separate input for AppleTV, Roku, etc. The TV apps just seem to not perform as well regarding picture and sound quality. Not sure why...same with apps installed in my Comcast cable box. The stand alone just performs much better.

I upgraded from an XBR4, so this 950G is my first smart TV and first Android device. I was using apps on my Apple TV (Gen 4) but no longer. For me, the apps on my Sony TV provide better picture quality - clearer and upscaled. Better than my Apple TV set top device. With eARC/ARC HDMI, both picture and audio look and sound great. I can't wait to try the Apple TV app on the Sony. If it runs as well as the current apps I use on the 950G, and if it allows me to view my iTunes films in 4K \Dolby Vision \ Dolby Atmos, then I won't need to purchase an Apple TV 4K set top box.
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