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2019 Sony XBR X950G Owners Thread (No Price Talk)

https://www.sony.com/electronics/tel...delPrices=true

X1 Ultimate, Acoustic Multi-Audio, X-Wide Angle

also has X-tended Dynamic Range Pro, Triluminous Display, X-Motion Clarity..

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Contrast and black level will be worse than X900F but with wider viewing angles?
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Interested in the wider viewing angles and hope it's got noticeably less gamma shift than all the VA panels I've tried. We sit very close to the display so I guess that's a tall order.
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Hdmi 2.1??
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Hdmi 2.1??
I would hope so. If you look on Sony’s website, the new TVs with the X1 ultimate chip also support Dolby Atmos. But the new A8G OLED does not. It has the extreme chip. They would be crazy not to support it with the ultimate chipset.
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https://www.sony.com/electronics/tel...delPrices=true

X1 Ultimate, Acoustic Multi-Audio, X-Wide Angle

also has X-tended Dynamic Range Pro, Triluminous Display, X-Motion Clarity..

Thoughts?
They forgot to add HDMI 2.1 so their whole line for 2019 is garbage as far as the customer is concerned from a value perspective.
2020 will see new consoles PS5 with new 4K Blu-ray drives with Dynamic HDR support. Too bad your new 2019 Sony TV lacks HDMI 2.1 to use this amazing new feature.
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https://www.sony.com/electronics/tel...delPrices=true

X1 Ultimate, Acoustic Multi-Audio, X-Wide Angle

also has X-tended Dynamic Range Pro, Triluminous Display, X-Motion Clarity..

Thoughts?
They forgot to add HDMI 2.1 so their whole line for 2019 is garbage as far as the customer is concerned from a value perspective.
2020 will see new consoles PS5 with new 4K Blu-ray drives with Dynamic HDR support. Too bad your new 2019 Sony TV lacks HDMI 2.1 to use this amazing new feature.
The 8K sets have it not sure about the OLEDs yet has not been confirmed either way as far as I know and 2.1 is not a deal breaker unless I was getting an 8K with the proper bandwidth. So far Sony has impressed as long as these tv meet performance expectations!

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Hdmi 2.1??
This. Since the official link doesn't state 2.1 you have to think it's just 2.0 unless they delay the release and add it since most of their competitors do. I love the idea of better off axis viewing but I'm definitely worried about contrast. If they can keep the current black levels but have better off axis viewing and have HDMI 2.1 this will be a hit... and likely my next TV.

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So I wonder if this is still a VA panel and not IPS? I wonder what X-Wide Angle is, exactly...

Either way, personally I'm not too concerned with wide viewing angles, so I hope the contrast/black stays as good as with the X900. I'm more interested in what the new X1 Ultimate brings to the table!

HDMI 2.1 or not? I guess we will see, but I'm guessing it won't it. This isn't a Master Series.

My thoughts are that HDMI 2.1 isn't even a thing to 99% of people, and won't be for another 2-3 years or so, so I don't think it's *crazy* for Sony to release these without HDMI 2.1. I'm an enthusiast and a nerd, and even I couldn't care less about HDMI 2.1 on a TV in this price range with respect to anything but solid future proofing.
Will the average consumer require or notice the benefits from HDMI 2.1 in the next 3-5 years? Probably not.
Will the average enthusiast require or notice in the next year or two? Probably not. And in three years, most of you will probably buy a new TV anyway so whatever. =P

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My next set will have HDMI 2.1, as I want to future proof myself for next gen gaming consoles that are estimated to be released in 2020. I like the 900f, so was hoping HDMI 2.1 would be included in its successor. Since it wasn’t highlighted on the press release, I’m think it won’t be included.
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So I wonder if this is still a VA panel and not IPS? I wonder what X-Wide Angle is, exactly...

Either way, personally I'm not too concerned with wide viewing angles, so I hope the contrast/black stays as good as with the X900.
It's a VA panel with the X-wide angle layer used on the ZDF that gave it grayish blacks compared to the older Z9D. That will degrade the contrast ratio to the 3000:1 neighborhood measured for the Z9F with local dimming on - more like 1500:1 native contrast ratio which is very IPS-like. So blacks will be more grayish and the X-wide layer will likely add to blooming also. On the plus side, off angle viewing will improve close to an IPS panel.
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This. Since the official link doesn't state 2.1 you have to think it's just 2.0 unless they delay the release and add it since most of their competitors do. I love the idea of better off axis viewing but I'm definitely worried about contrast. If they can keep the current black levels but have better off axis viewing and have HDMI 2.1 this will be a hit... and likely my next TV.

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Even if it doesn't have "true" 48Gbps HDMI 2.1 (which would only be necessary for 4k/120Hz), eARC would be nice (Z9F/A9F have it). Also, full bandwidth (i.e. 4K HDR) on all 4 inputs would be nice. However, I'm guessing they won't support ALLM and VRR, otherwise it would have been mentioned.
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It's a VA panel with the X-wide angle layer used on the ZDF that gave it grayish blacks compared to the older Z9D. That will degrade the contrast ratio to the 3000:1 neighborhood measured for the Z9F with local dimming on - more like 1500:1 native contrast ratio which is very IPS-like. So blacks will be more grayish and the X-wide layer will likely add to blooming also. On the plus side, off angle viewing will improve close to an IPS panel.
Yeah it was around 1700:1 from what I've seen measured, so better than IPS but just barely. However, being a VA panel it still will likely have fairly solid black uniformity and do better with off axis blacks (no IPS glow)--at least that was the case for the Z9F.

Anyway, according to this article, only the 75 and 85 X95 have X Wide Angle.
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no HDMI 2.1 and X-wide to tank the contrast ? hard pass

in 2020 the 4K Sonys should have HDMI 2.1, but I hope to God they drop the X-wide crap ..





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XG95 Series (85”, 75”, 65” and 55” models) 4K HDR Full Array LED TV
- Features Picture Processor X1 Ultimate providing the ultimate 4K HDR viewing experience with the following technologies: Object-based Super Resolution, Object-based HDR remaster, Super Bit Mapping 4K HDR and Dual database processing.
- Features full-array local dimming backlight with X-tended Dynamic Range PRO that ensures 6 times the contrast of conventional LED TVs.
- Features Acoustic Multi-Audio with Sound Positioning Tweeters; delivering Sony’s Sound-from-Picture Reality experience, action and sound are precisely aligned and your viewing becomes so much more immersive.
- Features X-Wide Angle that minimises the colour change when viewed from the side; view faithful shades and hues from wherever you watch the TV (available in 85” and 75” models.)


well at least 65" XG95 wont have X-wide, thats something .. now if it only had HDMI 2.1 ..

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^ Is that quoted from an official Sony source? Or from a third-party? Just wondering...

I can see the X Wide being beneficial for many, but most of us with a dedicated watching spot would rather have the black levels! Ha, if I started talking about a TV's black levels to basically anyone I know... they'd be rolling their eyes so hard.

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well at least 65" XG95 wont have X-wide, thats something .. now if it only had HDMI 2.1 ..
Odd that there's no X Wide in the 65" since the 65" Z9F has it.
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Although I thought the Z9F looked pretty good, a lot of its specs sorely disappoint compared to the Z9D

So I guess realistically the X95G wont be better or as good as the Z9F or will it...I hope I am wrong

I guess I will just have to get a Z9G...ya right lol
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Although I thought the Z9F looked pretty good, a lot of its specs sorely disappoint compared to the Z9D

So I guess realistically the X95G wont be better or as good as the Z9F or will it...I hope I am wrong

I guess I will just have to get a Z9G...ya right lol
The Z9F is great for a lighted family room, not so much for a traditional dark theater room. The X95G is the mid-level LCD, a follow-on to the 900E and 900F, so it certainly will NOT be as good as the Z9F. It will have fewer zones, won't be as bright, so will have a lower PQ.
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Those darn wide legs they use for stands are back for 2019...
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I'm at CES. A Sony rep told me the 950G will not have HDMI 2.1 but it will have eARC. No VRR. Release expect the second half of 2019. I wouldn't be surprised if its released around the same time the Master Series was released in 2018.

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No X950G until the summer!? I was expecting availability in March like last year...

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That's pretty crazy. Guess the X900F stays for a while, then?
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The 75” x95g or the new vizio pqx?? I think the cost will be the same.

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They probably have a ton of X900F's sitting in a warehouse they need to sell of, lol (joking as I know zero about panel logistics). They've been pretty discounted for some time now. I'm hoping to pick up a XBR65X900F in the $1000 range, but I'm not holding my breath.

I want a new TV. I've been sitting on my 720p 50" Samsung Plasma (that I still love, just want something bigger) for going on 8 years now. But I don't want to spend more than a grand if it doesn't have HDMI 2.1, because I feel like the benefits of HDMI 2.1 will certainly be present in about 2-3 years. I want to keep my next set for ~8 years like I always do. I'd hate to be tempted to replace a $2000 TV in 2-3 years, personally.

Maybe I'll just wait another year, but I wouldn't be surprised if even next year only the high-end models get HDMI 2.1 (i.e. $2000 and up). That'd be OK for me though, as I don't mind spending two grand on something that will last and be (more or less) future proof.

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So I wonder if this is still a VA panel and not IPS? I wonder what X-Wide Angle is, exactly...
For my needs, I'm willing to give up some black level in exchange for better viewing angles. As long as the overall uniformity is good and it doesn't have that IPS glow. But I'm only thinking about the 55-65" size range, and it sounds like Sony isn't using the XWA tech on those sizes.
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One thing I am wondering, it might seem insignificant to some.

2018 Samsung dropped DTS support over ARC while Sony still had it

I noticed the Sony Z9F doesnt support DTS over ARC

If this is the trend Sony G stuff probably wont support DTS over ARC
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One thing I am wondering, it might seem insignificant to some.

2018 Samsung dropped DTS support over ARC while Sony still had it

I noticed the Sony Z9F doesnt support DTS over ARC

If this is the trend Sony G stuff probably wont support DTS over ARC
The Z9f has eARC and supports DTS.

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All i know right now is the 900F will run alongside the X950G lending credence to the fact that this may in fact replace the 930/940 price point and tier.

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