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Post 2019 HDMI 2.1 Sets Let’s get a list going.

So I sat on the sideline all 2018 because it was a skip year. 2019 Some TVs have HDMI 2.1 but it’s still confusing.

As of now 2019 LG OLED C8, E8 and, W8 do have HDMI 2.1 Ports but not the B8.

Can anyone contribute which Sony, or Samsung Units have HDMI 2.1 ports for 2019.?
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More then just whether it has 2.1, the list should also track what features of HDMI 2.1 the display supports. In the case of LG, it appears to be effectively the full suite of features: 48 Gbps bandwidth, 4K120 (not sure if 8k60 is also supported), ALLM (Auto Low Latency Mode), VRR (Variable Refresh Rate), and eARC.
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More then just whether it has 2.1, the list should also track what features of HDMI 2.1 the display supports. In the case of LG, it appears to be effectively the full suite of features: 48 Gbps bandwidth, 4K120 (not sure if 8k60 is also supported), ALLM (Auto Low Latency Mode), VRR (Variable Refresh Rate), and eARC.
Very very good point. My main interest is QMS no more black 2 second screen when switching inputs. I mean anyone buying a 2019 TV without these features as a defacto benefit of being Spec complaint is flushing money away.
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Ultra High Speed HDMI Cable
Auto Low Latency Mode (ALLM)
Enhanced Audio Return Channel (eARC)
Quick Frame Transport (QFT)
Quick Media Switching (QMS)
Variable Refresh Rate (VRR)
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Very very good point. My main interest is QMS no more black 2 second screen when switching inputs. I mean anyone buying a 2019 TV without these features as a defacto benefit of being Spec complaint is flushing money away.
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Ultra High Speed HDMI Cable
Auto Low Latency Mode (ALLM)
Enhanced Audio Return Channel (eARC)
Quick Frame Transport (QFT)
Quick Media Switching (QMS)
Variable Refresh Rate (VRR)

Yep. Those are the marketing features of HDMI 2.1. ALLM, QFT, QMS, and VRR are the gaming and media features. Unfortunately eARC is not backwards compatible with ARC so the mfr will have to offer both options. I think LG will but.......


The passive Ultra High Speed HDMI cable, once available still appears to be limited to 9'. Active cable connectors will be an option as well.


Hopefully the mfrs of HDMI 2.1 devices and cables will list which feature sets are offered and certified for so consumers will know what they are getting.

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Yep. Those are the marketing features of HDMI 2.1. ALLM, QFT, QMS, and VRR are the gaming and media features. Unfortunately eARC is not backwards compatible with ARC so the mfr will have to offer both options. I think LG will but.......


The passive Ultra High Speed HDMI cable, once available still appears to be limited to 9'. Active cable connectors will be an option as well.


Hopefully the mfrs of HDMI 2.1 devices and cables will list which feature sets are offered and certified for so consumers will know what they are getting.
Exactly just look at the link below At Vincent drooling over a new Panasonic 2019 OLED. Probably costing $4,000+
And just barely mentions that It does NOT Have HDMI 2.1
I mean these TV Reviewers are just glorified salesmen.



Who is buying a new 2019 Samsung without HDMI 2.1 and no Dolby Vision support. Or any TV with HDMI 2.1
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According to LG, "all 2019 OLED TVs and selected NanoCell TVs with ThinQ AI will include HDMI 2.1, with support for high frame rate (HFR), enhanced audio return channel (eARC), variable refresh rate (VRR), and automatic low latency mode (ALLM).

The models consist of:
  • B9, C9, E9, W9
  • R9 and Z9
  • NanoCell SM9X series
  • NanoCell SM8X series
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Sony's press release (Sony Electronics Adds Super-large Sized 8K TVs and OLED 4K TVs to the MASTER Series Lineup) confirms HDMI 2.1 support on Z9G 8K LCD TVs:
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HDMI 2.1 that supports 8K resolution and 4K High Frame Rate in a single cable (requires firmware)
Not sure what "requires firmware" means. I am guessing HDMI 2.1 hardware support will be in place but certain HDMI 2.1 features will require future firmware update?
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This is a feature I am looking at for my next TV, which I aiming to purchase holiday season 2019. LG seems to have the biggest line up of TVs with HDMI 2.1. Sony and Samsung both have it for the 8K models, so it isn't 100% clear. Since it wasn't referenced as a feature on Sony's new OLED and higher end 4K LCD, I am assuming it isn't coming this year. I don't believe Samsung has released details on any 2019 models other than its 8K QLED, which does have HDMI 2.1.

It is a little disappointing. I would consider going OLED, but I game so burn-in is a concern. I think the high end 8K models will be out of my budget, unless we have fairly substantial price drops throughout the year (looks like Samsung averaged 20% drops between release and now). This probably only leaves LG's NanoCell models, unless Samsung provides it on their QLED TVs.
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as of now, for 4K TVs:


- all 4K LG 2019 OLEDs have HDMI 2.1, as well as both LG 2019 4K Nanocell LCD IPS TVs

- for Sony and TCL 4K sets it was not mentioned, so its safe to say - NO

- I have not been able to find any info at all yet on 2019 Samsung 4K QLEDs (??), except that possibly they wont be at CES at all and may get their own event in spring later .. IF thats true, then I think theres a decent chance those will get HDMI 2.1 by spring, but we will see






so for now - LG is undisputed HDMI 2.1 4K King, with Samsung - maybe later (Sony probably only in 2020 or maybe at IFA 2019) .. assuming its real 48 gbps and not market-speak
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also for me its important how much HDMI 2.1 ports will those LGs have .. 1 ? 2 ? 4 ?
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also for me its important how much HDMI 2.1 ports will those LGs have .. 1 ? 2 ? 4 ?
I made the same observation. But during the keynote they did say HDMI 2.1 ports so pleural.
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Exactly just look at the link below At Vincent drooling over a new Panasonic 2019 OLED. Probably costing $4,000+
And just barely mentions that It does NOT Have HDMI 2.1
I mean these TV Reviewers are just glorified salesmen.

Who is buying a new 2019 Samsung without HDMI 2.1 and no Dolby Vision support. Or any TV with HDMI 2.1
Me. I couldn't care less about the HDMI 2.1 features that've been mentioned in this thread.

Auto Low Latency Mode (ALLM) - I'm not a gamer
Enhanced Audio Return Channel (eARC) - For streaming audio from the TV's built-in apps, which is the only use case I've run into where I use ARC, Atmos via Dolby Digital Plus (which I'm getting right now via good ol' ARC) is sufficient for me.
Quick Media Switching (QMS) - This has never been an issue for any of my use cases.
Variable Refresh Rate (VRR) - Again, I'm not a gamer, and 60Hz is plenty for any video content I'll watch.

I'm waaaay more interested in a display with 2000+ nits of small window brightness and, if LCD, the more local dimming zones the better.

I'm not saying that HDMI 2.1 features aren't valuable, just that they aren't valuable to ME. And I'd say there are plenty of other folks who feel the same way. In other words, not everyone will consider HDMI 2.1 a "must have," especially on a 4K set, and plenty of people will knowingly buy 2019 displays without it.
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I wont be one of them, HDMI 2.1 is a must in any TV I buy going forward! Not going to spend Top dollar one year only to have to spend it again the next year to get HDMI 2.1.
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Exactly just look at the link below At Vincent drooling over a new Panasonic 2019 OLED. Probably costing $4,000+
And just barely mentions that It does NOT Have HDMI 2.1
I mean these TV Reviewers are just glorified salesmen.

https://youtu.be/-1uXQ_9aAzc


Who is buying a new 2019 Samsung without HDMI 2.1 and no Dolby Vision support. Or any TV with HDMI 2.1
Vincent is one of the most respected calibrators and tv reviewers in the business. What exactly are you going to use HDMI 2.1 if you aren't a gamer/HTPC on a 4K tv?
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Per this video from CES 2019 only the Sony TV with HDMI is the Z9G


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So I sat on the sideline all 2018 because it was a skip year. 2019 Some TVs have HDMI 2.1 but it’s still confusing.

As of now 2019 LG OLED C8, E8 and, W8 do have HDMI 2.1 Ports but not the B8.

Can anyone contribute which Sony, or Samsung Units have HDMI 2.1 ports for 2019.?

Do you mean 2019 LG OLED C9, E9 and, W9 do have HDMI 2.1 Ports but not the B9?



I looked around online and it appears LG left out the B9 from the CES 2019 announcement.
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Im curious. If Samsung are doing a HDMI 2.1 One Connect box this year for there 8K sets does that mean those sets are also going to get eArc aswell? Or is that still down to different software/hardware in the TV and it doesn't mean just because you have a 2.1 connector you automatically get eArc?
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Do you mean 2019 LG OLED C9, E9 and, W9 do have HDMI 2.1 Ports but not the B9?

I looked around online and it appears LG left out the B9 from the CES 2019 announcement.
LG's press release confirms that all 2019 LG OLED TVs, including B9 has HDMI 2.1 ports, as well as higher-end LCD models with NanoCell.

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And through the inclusion of HDMI 2.1 ports, all 2019 OLED TVs and selected NanoCell TVs with ThinQ AI will support high frame rate (HFR). The result is smoother and clearer motion at 120 frames per second for better rendering of fast-action content such as sports and action movies. Support for enhanced audio return channel (eARC) enables home theater enthusiasts to seamlessly utilize HDMI connectivity and enjoy the highest quality audio formats available with superb detail and depth. An excellent option for gamers, the new TVs are compatible with variable refresh rate (VRR) as well as automatic low latency mode (ALLM) which helps deliver a clean image, without stutter or tearing.
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Exactly just look at the link below At Vincent drooling over a new Panasonic 2019 OLED. Probably costing $4,000+
And just barely mentions that It does NOT Have HDMI 2.1
I mean these TV Reviewers are just glorified salesmen.

Who is buying a new 2019 Samsung without HDMI 2.1 and no Dolby Vision support. Or any TV with HDMI 2.1

You're acting like these sets are on the shelves tomorrow and buyers need to be protected from these 'glorified salesmen' ASAP ... There are months to go to disclose all these details before anyone can get their hands on one .
(I'll assume you're based in Canada otherwise what would you care what's in a Panasonic or not)


Personally I'd want HDMI 2.1 at least for HFR proofing (sports broadcast at 120fps on an OLED = )
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LG's press release confirms that all 2019 LG OLED TVs, including B9 has HDMI 2.1 ports, as well as higher-end LCD models with NanoCell.
Couldnt find the B9 being mentioned.
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There was a post on the hometheater subreddit where someone spoke to a Samsung CSR. The CSR confirmed the new models don't have HDMI 2.1. Not sure how accurate that would be.
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Couldnt find the B9 being mentioned.
"all 2019 OLED TVs"

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Im curious. If Samsung are doing a HDMI 2.1 One Connect box this year for there 8K sets does that mean those sets are also going to get eArc aswell? Or is that still down to different software/hardware in the TV and it doesn't mean just because you have a 2.1 connector you automatically get eArc?
8K Samsung TVs with HDMI 2.1

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...&id=1547063584
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There was a post on the hometheater subreddit where someone spoke to a Samsung CSR. The CSR confirmed the new models don't have HDMI 2.1. Not sure how accurate that would be.
I personally believe that to be true. Unless TCL truly delivers a 4K Quantum Dot 4K unit with HDMI 2.1 my only viable option for 2019 is a LG 4K OLED.

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All manufacturers kept HDMI 2.1 is the Ultra Premium 8K units for maximum profitability of that new chipset. But as data shows for 2018 99% of all TV sold in the United States were Under $2,000 only 1% were over $2,000

So not sure how many $3,000-$4,000 8K sets they plan to sell.
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The cost of introducing HDMI 2.1 into their current sets is probably pretty high, so I would assume that's why it's only included in more expensive TV's (most of which are newly designed "from the ground up") where the profit margins are greater and no sunken-costs (for previous HDMI implementation) are present.

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Can we be realistic for once...these kind of threads always pop up every new year after CES. I know it's hard to be realistic on AVSF since everyone wants to post about the best, newest, and theoretical without regard to the real world. Two things to keep in mind for 2019, which is why you won't see any of the stuff you're posting about prominently displayed at Best Buy for mass consumption this year:

1) No average Joe is going to pay $5000 for a 55" 8K TV. The average Joe doesn't care about 2.1 or 120Hz or 48gbps. The average Joe is content with non-OLED 4K 65" screens as long as long as dem football games and UFC be on dem TVs and their stretch pants wifey can watch her Netflix. He can get that for $500 at Wally World.

2) The majority of Americans with disposable income drive SUVs and have their TV mounted above their mantles (which, of course, is the dumbest thing in A/V history, but I digress). They will buy their 80" TVs from Costco or Sam's and are happy that they can fit in their SUVs, but then come home and realize that the space between the mantle and ceiling only supports a 65" TV. Bottom line, you may all think you're size queens for monitors, but the truth is that the Joes of America won't have space for these things. 65" is the new 27", folks.

Yes, yes, before you hit reply and claim that you're an exception to all of this, keep in mind that corporate America is not going to be selling 2.1 mass consumer devices in 2019 - no transmission infrastructure and no media to support these spec. Be willing to pay a hefty premium for something that will not provide you with any benefit except bragging rights here on AVS. I feel bad (no I don't) for the folks who thought it was a good idea to skip out on buying in 2018 and waiting for the 2019 line-up. You should have bought in 2017 and waited for the big upgrade in fall 2020.
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Can we be realistic for once...these kind of threads always pop up every new year after CES. I know it's hard to be realistic on AVSF since everyone wants to post about the best, newest, and theoretical without regard to the real world. Two things to keep in mind for 2019, which is why you won't see any of the stuff you're posting about prominently displayed at Best Buy for mass consumption this year:

1) No average Joe is going to pay $5000 for a 55" 8K TV. The average Joe doesn't care about 2.1 or 120Hz or 48gbps. The average Joe is content with non-OLED 4K 65" screens as long as long as dem football games and UFC be on dem TVs and their stretch pants wifey can watch her Netflix. He can get that for $500 at Wally World.

2) The majority of Americans with disposable income drive SUVs and have their TV mounted above their mantles (which, of course, is the dumbest thing in A/V history, but I digress). They will buy their 80" TVs from Costco or Sam's and are happy that they can fit in their SUVs, but then come home and realize that the space between the mantle and ceiling only supports a 65" TV. Bottom line, you may all think you're size queens for monitors, but the truth is that the Joes of America won't have space for these things. 65" is the new 27", folks.

Yes, yes, before you hit reply and claim that you're an exception to all of this, keep in mind that corporate America is not going to be selling 2.1 mass consumer devices in 2019 - no transmission infrastructure and no media to support these spec. Be willing to pay a hefty premium for something that will not provide you with any benefit except bragging rights here on AVS. I feel bad (no I don't) for the folks who thought it was a good idea to skip out on buying in 2018 and waiting for the 2019 line-up. You should have bought in 2017 and waited for the big upgrade in fall 2020.
the entire LG 2019 line (4K too) has 48 gbps HDMI 2.1
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the entire LG 2019 line (4K too) has 48 gbps HDMI 2.1
That's because they've chosen to cater to the enthusiasts. As evidenced by their investment in OLED in the first place. And by their inclusion of features like auto-calibration and now custom HDR curves.


BTW its only the entire 2019 OLED line that is getting HDMI 2.1. The press release said "selected NanoCell TVs" (LCD) would get it. And the latter is what is going to sell in volume.

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as far as I know all the 2019 Nanocells will have HDMI 2.1


there were a few non-Nanocell LCDs shown for 2019 too - those wont have HDMI 2.1




regardless, again - LG offers plenty of HDMI 2.1 models to buy in 2019, that is fact
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