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2019 Samsung as-yet unnamed 4K Q9FN replacement

Anyone know why Samsung didn't show off their Q9FN replacement at CES - and only had a closed showing...

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So from reading that Samsung made no improvements for 2019.ry
More spying by your TV, same dimming zones, No HDMI 2.1, and No New design. It’s a tweaked 2018.

Funny how, it’s cheaper to try and sell 10-bit 8K Panels. And not 12-bit 4K Panels with HDMI 2.1


Looks like LG is the only one offering true 2019 HDMI 2.1 4K innovation for this year. Every other manufacturer is trying to scam people with 8K 10-bit Panels.
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So from reading that Samsung made no improvements for 2019.ry
More spying by your TV, same dimming zones, No HDMI 2.1, and No New design. It’s a tweaked 2018.

Funny how, it’s cheaper to try and sell 10-bit 8K Panels. And not 12-bit 4K Panels with HDMI 2.1


Looks like LG is the only one offering true 2019 HDMI 2.1 4K innovation for this year. Every other manufacturer is trying to scam people with 8K 10-bit Panels.

I guess we read different links...
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Anyone know why Samsung didn't show off their Q9FN replacement at CES - and only had a closed showing...

Here is an initial review:

https://www.whathifi.com/reviews/samsung-2019-4k-qled


They did the same thing last year. Had the Q9FN in a private room. They want full attention when they do their announcements now.


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I guess we read different links...
Yep. Clearly selective reading.
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too bad it doesnt say HDMI 2.1 or not ..


on the one hand, I shouldnt expect 2.1 for 4K in 2019
on the other - it does exist (for 8K sets) and LG offers it in 2019 for 4K sets, so if LG can, maybe Samsung can too ..
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Do not understand Samsung, came to CES without new products

No models
No finished products
Except for 75 "+98" or 200 "+

NO HDMI 2.1 Full bandwidth

This is the worst exhibition I have ever seen at CES
ONLY 8K - That there is no content
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Do not understand Samsung, came to CES without new products

No models
No finished products
Except for 75 "+98" or 200 "+

NO HDMI 2.1 Full bandwidth

This is the worst exhibition I have ever seen at CES
ONLY 8K - That there is no content
Did they not show off a new 8K 2019 range and they also have a new 4k 2019 range. Just because things were shown behind closed doors does not mean they had nothing. They just weren't all shown to the public.
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Do not understand Samsung, came to CES without new products

No models
No finished products
Except for 75 "+98" or 200 "+

NO HDMI 2.1 Full bandwidth

This is the worst exhibition I have ever seen at CES
ONLY 8K - That there is no content

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Did they not show off a new 8K 2019 range and they also have a new 4k 2019 range. Just because things were shown behind closed doors does not mean they had nothing. They just weren't all shown to the public.

I understand what he is saying...

Why come to CES and not show your TVs everyone will buy to the public - and only show your ultra-expensive 8K TVs that are either not available yet or very few people will buy...?
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Do not understand Samsung, came to CES without new products

No models
No finished products
Except for 75 "+98" or 200 "+

NO HDMI 2.1 Full bandwidth

This is the worst exhibition I have ever seen at CES
ONLY 8K - That there is no content
Agreed and yet Samsung will have it Own showing after the SuperBowl.
That being said the Rumors are Bad. Max 480 dimming zones Q9FN is the same No Dolby Vision support. No HDMI 2.1
Same 4K same design, just some Panel BS to give Wider Viewing angles. And $5,000 75” and $4,000 Q9FN with anew name. And Apple TV support.

So it’s a 2018.5 model. I really hope CNET and Rtings, straight up refuse to review 8K units.
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Samsung should stop going with unnecessary gimmicks and fix severe issues that weren’t present in 2016 models. Issues like heavy dse, black crush, sdr undersaturation, broken game mode local dimming, and severe panel variance need to be addressed and fixed.
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I understand what he is saying...

Why come to CES and not show your TVs everyone will buy to the public - and only show your ultra-expensive 8K TVs that are either not available yet or very few people will buy...?

Did Sony have the 950g and 900g on display anywhere at ces?
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^I'm wondering...what does Sony have anything to do with the topic?
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Agreed and yet Samsung will have it Own showing after the SuperBowl.
That being said the Rumors are Bad. Max 480 dimming zones Q9FN is the same No Dolby Vision support. No HDMI 2.1
Same 4K same design, just some Panel BS to give Wider Viewing angles. And $5,000 75” and $4,000 Q9FN with anew name. And Apple TV support.

So it’s a 2018.5 model. I really hope CNET and Rtings, straight up refuse to review 8K units.
Reviews are ok, but owners especially on here will give a better feeling for the set. Better to wait and see what owners say imo.
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^I'm wondering...what does Sony have anything to do with the topic?
Because Sony didn't have their Main 4k lcd lineup at the show either, so it's not some out of the ordinary thing for Samsung not to have theirs on display.
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^still has nothing to do with Sony...seemed more of a tit for tat post, it's all good though, their not doing anything different from their reveal last year.
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Did anyone actually read the whathifi review? It seems this new model is a step up from 2018 models. They concluded it had better blacks, punchier whites, better viewing angles and more vibrancy. This is a win for Samsung.

Linking again for reference - https://www.whathifi.com/reviews/samsung-2019-4k-qled
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Did anyone actually read the whathifi review? It seems this new model is a step up from 2018 models. They concluded it had better blacks, punchier whites, better viewing angles and more vibrancy. This is a win for Samsung.

Linking again for reference - https://www.whathifi.com/reviews/samsung-2019-4k-qled

Yup, and that's what I got (and more) from the review also.

Should be interesting...

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^still has nothing to do with Sony...seemed more of a tit for tat post, it's all good though, their not doing anything different from their reveal last year.

Actually it supports it 100%, that not all manufacturers bring their full lineup to ces.

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They've been saying that for the last past 5 years though.

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Actually it supports it 100%, that not all manufacturers bring their lineup to ces. Go pick a fight somewhere else.
I'll post as I choose ray...don't need your permission. Your not the end all be all for samsung.

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Still no Dolby Vision... Panasonic (a founding member of HDR 10+ with Samsung no less) saw the light and put it in their TVs this year...

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^I think they brought it this year with all the current flavors of hdr.
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They've been saying that for the last past 5 years though.
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I understand what he is saying...

Why come to CES and not show your TVs everyone will buy to the public - and only show your ultra-expensive 8K TVs that are either not available yet or very few people will buy...?
This is quite the norm actually. Other manufacturers (e.g. Sony) haven’t revealed many of their future models either.
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Did they not show off a new 8K 2019 range and they also have a new 4k 2019 range. Just because things were shown behind closed doors does not mean they had nothing. They just weren't all shown to the public.
Read what you write again and you'll understand how bad it is
People come to the exhibition to see products
That's why they pay money !!!

I have not heard from known people that they have seen other products behind closed doors

Even the micro LED screen Samsung did not let see closely

There are no new model numbers 4K
There is no contras for products
There are no new colors with HDMI 2.1
Except maybe 120FPS + some extra features in the games

This is one of the worst CES exhibitions I have seen
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I understand what he is saying...

Why come to CES and not show your TVs everyone will buy to the public - and only show your ultra-expensive 8K TVs that are either not available yet or very few people will buy...?
this the Problem, see 75 "8K micro LED at $ 15000 price that's crazy for me!

And Samsung further says there is no color improvement with HDMI 2.1
No 8K with 120FPS (HDMI 2.1)

There is no all bandwidth with HDMI 2.1
So what do I buy? HDMI 2.0 +

With HDMI 2.1 screen you need a new computer + a new receiver
Another $ 8000....
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Agreed and yet Samsung will have it Own showing after the SuperBowl.
That being said the Rumors are Bad. Max 480 dimming zones Q9FN is the same No Dolby Vision support. No HDMI 2.1
Same 4K same design, just some Panel BS to give Wider Viewing angles. And $5,000 75” and $4,000 Q9FN with anew name. And Apple TV support.

So it’s a 2018.5 model. I really hope CNET and Rtings, straight up refuse to review 8K units.
Samsung manager asked what should be seen on 8K?
He said you can see YouTube videos !!!

1. Are you serious?
2. Should I pay $ 15,000 or $ 5,000 on an LCD for a 2 minute low-grade video?
3. 8K via internet requires 200MB real bandwidth, and there is no such thing today.
4. I tried to see 8K online full of constipation and quality like 4k, 8K low level cameras, 8K low level youtube algorithm.

Sorry about the truth
On the other hand, they will be sorry to bring products without content
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^every brand for the most part is somewhat pushing 8k...I ain't happy about it, but that's the reality right now.
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2019 lineup
There are three series in Samsung's 2019 4K QLED TV lineup: Q90R, Q70R, and Q60R.

The Q90R is the flagship of the three, and comes in 82, 75, and 65-inch screen sizes. This is a full-array local dimming model with the same number of LED zones as most of its 8K brethren. It has built-in Bixby, and supports the One Invisible Connection and no-gap wall mount.

The Q70R is also a FALD model, but it has local dimming fewer zones than the Q90R. It has built-in Bixby, and is available in 82, 75, 65, 55, and 49-inch screen sizes.

The Q60R is an edge LED dimming model, and comes in 82, 75, 65, 55, 49, and 43-inch screen sizes. It doesn't seem to support Bixby on the TV and One Invisible Connection.
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There are three series in Samsung's 2019 4K QLED TV lineup: Q90R, Q70R, and Q60R.

The Q90R is the flagship of the three, and comes in 82, 75, and 65-inch screen sizes. This is a full-array local dimming model with the same number of LED zones as most of its 8K brethren. It has built-in Bixby, and supports the One Invisible Connection and no-gap wall mount.


The Q70R is also a FALD model, but it has local dimming fewer zones than the Q90R. It has built-in Bixby, and is available in 82, 75, 65, 55, and 49-inch screen sizes.
source of this info ? official or rumors ?


and the Q90R/Q70R are not HDMI 2.1, correct ?







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with the same number of LED zones as most of its 8K brethren
how many zones is that approximately ? I have not been keeping up with 8K sets
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