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Damn dude!! That bad?! I have a KS9000 and to be honest, its not a bad TV for being edge lit and that many years old. I almost upgraded to the Q9FN as well but went with the Sony A1E
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The DSE and banding was very bad on the 65", the 75" model was much less prone and most owners found the levels to be "acceptable". I had both side by side in my house and the 75 was like a completely different TV than the 65 (that belonged to a friend that I ordered for him before he picked it up).
I will also say not to wait on reviewers to comment on dse. It seems they either always brush it off or don't watch the content that would show it. Dse is most noticeable in Hockey, Europe doesn't have hockey I believe so those reviewers won't even see that material. Wait for owners to post impressions/pictures.
That was 65 and it was very noticeable, bad enough so I packed it and shipped back next day. I wish I could fit 75. KS8000 still works great in bedroom. Edge lit is dated these days, but panel is much better than Q9 65. By proper reviews I meant owners, youtubers and rtings. And I don't watch hockey but they definitely have hockey in Europe.
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From the reviews I have read...

The Q900R/Q950R will have HDMI 2.1, be brighter, and have better motion handling than the Q90R...
Where have you read that the motion will be better? I haven't seen that yet and I'd be curious to know why.
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Not sure if anyone has pointed it out But John Archer says that the 4k lineup has an additional dimming chip to help the dimming that the 8k lineup does not have. Sounds like there's literally zero reason to grab an 8k set unless you want to go larger than 82 (but then in the USA you are paying a major premium for last year's technology)
What importance does what John Archer says have here? He doesn't way that the 8k model has inferior dimming capability or that it doesn't have hardware support for dimming. Maybe, for instance, the hardware support for dimming in the 4k models was derived from that previously developed for the 8k hardware chip.

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What importance does what John Archer says have here? He doesn't way that the 8k model has inferior dimming capability or that it doesn't have hardware support for dimming. Maybe, for instance, the hardware support for dimming in the 4k models was derived from that previously developed for the 8k hardware chip.
He actually did say that the 8K sets don't have the hardware chip for dimming only software. This info is from when I talked to him about it on twitter. He doesn't know if it produces inferior dimming to the Q90 yet though. That's something he is going to test when he does his Q950 review and compare it.
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He actually did say that the 8K sets don't have the hardware chip for dimming only software.
I know. I'm suggesting that hardware support for local dimming may be on board the 8k chip. It doesn't have to be on a separate chip to be present.


I've posted before about why I think 8k sets have greater effective color depth. Greater color depth should give smoother gradation of colors on surfaces, which is what Vincent Teoh found in his video on the Q950:



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I mentioned it earlier after a chat with him. Your right that the Q90 has a hardware chip dedicated completely to the dimming control. He said the 8K sets only have a software update to the dimming but there also using the same 4K chip in the new Q90's for better upscaling to 4K and then the 8K chip takes over. Hes going to compare the dimming and blooming control ect with the Q950 against the Q90 as I believe he has a Q950 review coming soon aswell. Will be interesting to see how they compare. Hopefully not too different.

Another reason to go 8K though would be the brightness difference. Standard only hit 2100 on his Q90 where it hit between 3400-3800 on the Q900. Q900 was also 700nits higher in movie mode so the differences at least from what we know before reviews are 8K, HDMI 2.1 and higher brightness. Dimming control and blooming we are yet to know how they compare. Its up to the buyer to decide if that's worth the $1500 or so extra.
My guess is that he misunderstood an explanation he was given on some of that.
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We will see soon once the Q950 starts getting reviews and compared. Hopefully it doesn't have inferior dimming since its the more expensive flagship and also has higher brightness which needs the best dimming possible to control that.
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I'm interested to see how the 2019 Q90R compares to the 2019 Q900R (version 2)/Q950R other than 8K vs. 4K.
I agree, dont care much about 8K, but that 900RB might have the best picture of an LED. Well see.

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DSE and other uniformity issues will probably never be solved 100% I do not think. Could be just part of LED technology.
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I agree, dont care much about 8K, but that 900RN might have the best picture of an LED. Well see.
"900RN" should be "Q900RB".

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60K Euro for the 98" in the Netherlands. Now that's a number I can believe. Would put the US price around $50K MSRP if the Euro price included VAT.

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The DSE and banding was very bad on the 65", the 75" model was much less prone and most owners found the levels to be "acceptable". I had both side by side in my house and the 75 was like a completely different TV than the 65 (that belonged to a friend that I ordered for him before he picked it up).
Is the DSE and banding issue with the 65" Q9FN only with the 2018 year model? Or has this been a trend over the years?


Hoping this years 65" Q90 is much better.
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Is the DSE and banding issue with the 65" Q9FN only with the 2018 year model? Or has this been a trend over the years?


Hoping this years 65" Q90 is much better.
2017 Q9 was much worse actually; worse to the point that it almost seemed like Samsung's goal was to make the uniformity as bad as possible. And to think that Samsung priced it at 6k on release day.
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HDMI 2.1 pretty much depends on if your a gamer and have a good pc. That's the only way its really going to be used at the moment. Still if your keeping a TV for 5 or so years id personally rather have HDMI 2.1 than not have it. As someone who had the Q900 for 3 months using the standard mode for HDR there was pretty much very little if none at all blooming apart from on Netflix aspect ratio content which all 2018 QLED sets had. I would imagine the 2019 sets will have that also unless they have altered the backlight array to fix that. No point judging the 2019 8K sets yet until we get owners and reviews about how well controlled the light output is. I mean you can also slip it into movie mode with a max around 2000-2200 nits so no one is forcing you to use the standard mode ect but to have the option especially for gaming that's usually graded at 4000 nits which I never saw single bit of blooming in. Just gloriously bright peak highlights and colour. Especially in something like God of War.
I'm a gamer and use my KS9500 for most of my gaming and an Asus 21:9 Gsync for serious FPS since the input lag on the KS9500 is 37.1ms. I just upgraded my GPU to a 2080 Ti, and it's not HDMI 2.1, thus a 2.1 TV will not matter until Nvidia gives us a card with 2.1. My guess is mid-to-late 2020. The 90R will support 4K @ 120fps using 4:2:0, which I hope doesn't suck too much. That fits within HDMI 2.0b bandwidth. The most important thing is now on Nvidia's plate. They recently announced FreeSync support, but only over DisplayPort. This means PC users can't utilize it using HDMI on our video cards. NV can address this easily, but we must convince them to!
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They recently announced FreeSync support, but only over DisplayPort. This means PC users can't utilize it using HDMI on our video cards. NV can address this easily, but we must convince them to!
Nvidia does not support freesync. Nvidia supports VESA Adaptive Sync, which is part of display port spec, not hdmi. Freesync is built upon adaptive sync, so it is easy to get confused.
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I'm a gamer and use my KS9500 for most of my gaming and an Asus 21:9 Gsync for serious FPS since the input lag on the KS9500 is 37.1ms. I just upgraded my GPU to a 2080 Ti, and it's not HDMI 2.1, thus a 2.1 TV will not matter until Nvidia gives us a card with 2.1. My guess is mid-to-late 2020. The 90R will support 4K @ 120fps using 4:2:0, which I hope doesn't suck too much. That fits within HDMI 2.0b bandwidth. The most important thing is now on Nvidia's plate. They recently announced FreeSync support, but only over DisplayPort. This means PC users can't utilize it using HDMI on our video cards. NV can address this easily, but we must convince them to!
Current PC cards are HDMI 2.1 ready with a simple DisplayPort to HDMI cable you can do 4K 120 and even 8K 60HZ
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Current PC cards are HDMI 2.1 ready with a simple DisplayPort to HDMI cable you can do 4K 120 and even 8K 60HZ
I don't see where you have read that the 2080 series card has HDMI 2.1. The spec page says 2.0b.

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce...s/rtx-2080-ti/

The card that I purchased also shows 2.0, not 2.1 on HDMI. Please paste your sources.

https://www.zotac.com/product/graphi...ti-amp-extreme

I highly doubt it will work, but hope that it does. This will totally depend on which flavor of FreeSync the TV supports over HDMI. The open standard of VESA FreeSync is a DisplayPort 1.2a specification, not an HDMI specification. FreeSync over HDMI was a vendor-specific extension of FreeSync over HDMI.

The Samsung manual makes mention of AMD Raedeon when you search for FreeSync. No hit on VESA. This means that even with a DP -> HDMI converter, the protocol is not compatible. This implies that the TV expects AMD's Proprietary spin of FreeSync over HDMI. Nvidia's VRR support is via open standard VESA FreeSync, thus it will not work unless the TV also supports VESA FreeSync or Nvidia decides to add AMD's HDMI Extensions.

I will be purchasing the 75" Q90R as soon as it's available, so I'll find out shortly.

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https://forums.geforce.com/default/t...ync-over-hdmi/
https://hexus.net/tech/news/graphics...freesync-hdmi/
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[quote=Ozy311;57694004]I don't see where you have read that the 2080 series card has HDMI 2.1. The spec page says 2.0b.



The card that I purchased also shows 2.0, not 2.1 on HDMI. Please paste your sources.



I highly doubt it will work, but hope that it does. This will totally depend on which flavor of FreeSync the TV supports over HDMI. The open standard of VESA FreeSync is a DisplayPort 1.2a specification, not an HDMI specification. FreeSync over HDMI was a vendor-specific extension of FreeSync over HDMI.

The Samsung manual makes mention of AMD Raedeon when you search for FreeSync. No hit on VESA. This means that even with a DP -> HDMI converter, the protocol is not compatible. This implies that the TV expects AMD's Proprietary spin of FreeSync over HDMI. Nvidia's VRR support is via open standard VESA FreeSync, thus it will not work unless the TV also supports VESA FreeSync or Nvidia decides to add AMD's HDMI Extensions.

I will be purchasing the 75" Q90R as soon as it's available, so I'll find out shortly.





No, what I'm saying is that you can use DisplayPort instead of HDMI with a DP-to-HDMI cable. At least that's what I'm gonna do.
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I don't see where you have read that the 2080 series card has HDMI 2.1. The spec page says 2.0b.



The card that I purchased also shows 2.0, not 2.1 on HDMI. Please paste your sources.



I highly doubt it will work, but hope that it does. This will totally depend on which flavor of FreeSync the TV supports over HDMI. The open standard of VESA FreeSync is a DisplayPort 1.2a specification, not an HDMI specification. FreeSync over HDMI was a vendor-specific extension of FreeSync over HDMI.

The Samsung manual makes mention of AMD Raedeon when you search for FreeSync. No hit on VESA. This means that even with a DP -> HDMI converter, the protocol is not compatible. This implies that the TV expects AMD's Proprietary spin of FreeSync over HDMI. Nvidia's VRR support is via open standard VESA FreeSync, thus it will not work unless the TV also supports VESA FreeSync or Nvidia decides to add AMD's HDMI Extensions.

I will be purchasing the 75" Q90R as soon as it's available, so I'll find out shortly.





No, what I'm saying is that you can use DisplayPort instead of HDMI with a DP-to-HDMI cable. At least that's what I'm gonna do.
Nope. People tried this 2 months ago when Nvidia launched the driver that supports VRR. I gave it a go using an active HDMI to DP adapter and it does not work.
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Nope. People tried this 2 months ago when Nvidia launched the driver that supports VRR. I gave it a go using an active HDMI to DP adapter and it does not work.
Yea unless Nvidia updates it VRR won't work but at least with a DP-HDMI it should be possible to connect to a HDMI 2.1 TV such as the LG C9 and do 4K 120hz.
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Yea unless Nvidia updates it VRR won't work but at least with a DP-HDMI it should be possible to connect to a HDMI 2.1 TV such as the LG C9 and do 4K 120hz.
High bandwidth DP to HDMI requires an active converter. DP1.2 or 1.4 to HDMI for low bandwidth, like 1080p is part of the DP's functionality but anything higher needs an active conversion. Sadly I doubt we'll see many if any HDMI 2.1 converters for years, and even if we do it'll probably be expensive and you'll lose bandwidth, so no 4k 120hz 10-bit much less with HDR and all those fancy audio functions
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Quantum Apotheosis talks about banding on Q90R

He is a click-bait YouTuber.

He never saw a conspiracy theory he didn't like - and the vast majority of his videos are always running something down.

His videos are less than useless.
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May be. But he did direct comparision Q9FN vs Q90R with lot of blooming on the last.

I'll wait for more reputable reviews...

Vincent, Rtings, etc...

He either got a very bad Q90R or his settings are severely out of whack.
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I'll wait for more reputable reviews...

Vincent, Rtings, etc...

He either got a very bad Q90R or his settings are severely out of whack.
I'm thinking the same.
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I'll wait for more reputable reviews...

Vincent, Rtings, etc...

He either got a very bad Q90R or his settings are severely out of whack.
I'm thinking the same.
Maybe the European panel is better than United States panel

Why reviewers didn't see blooming in Q90R

At least hope this unit is flawed

Let's wait reviews in Europe and the United States

the Q900 will be the best produced by Samsung If the viewing angle reduces contrast
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I agree. The numbers posted earlier made no sense.

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"900RN" should be "Q900RB".
Yep, your right......Typo. QN82Q900RB is the model coming out....... QN85Q900RA is the old model that is being discontinued.....
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Maybe the European panel is better than United States panel

Why reviewers didn't see blooming in Q90R

At least hope this unit is flawed

Let's wait reviews in Europe and the United States

the Q900 will be the best produced by Samsung If the viewing angle reduces contrast
I'm thinking the same thing. I noticed that on certain European forums, the pictures have a much much lighter amount of dse than in the pictures you see in this forum. Also the 75 seems to have much lighter dse than the 65. I feel that they gimped out on the american 65 q9fn big time.

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Maybe the European panel is better than United States panel

Why reviewers didn't see blooming in Q90R

At least hope this unit is flawed

Let's wait reviews in Europe and the United States

the Q900 will be the best produced by Samsung If the viewing angle reduces contrast
I'm thinking the same thing. I noticed that on certain European forums, the pictures have a much much lighter amount of dse than in the pictures you see in this forum. Also the 75 seems to have much lighter dse than the 65. I feel that they gimped out on the american 65 q9fn big time.

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I Just expect but i can't confirm, better to wait official review

In fact, (Quantum apotheosis) cannot be trusted
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