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Where are the 75" and 82" versions? So weird Samsung would only release the 65"...
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The DSE and banding was very bad on the 65", the 75" model was much less prone and most owners found the levels to be "acceptable". I had both side by side in my house and the 75 was like a completely different TV than the 65 (that belonged to a friend that I ordered for him before he picked it up).

I will also say not to wait on reviewers to comment on dse. It seems they either always brush it off or don't watch the content that would show it. Dse is most noticeable in Hockey, Europe doesn't have hockey I believe so those reviewers won't even see that material. Wait for owners to post impressions/pictures.

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Most of the world refers to what you in americas call hockey as ice hockey. As the hockey popular outside the americas is played on grass. If i see a news saying hockey in asia, it is automatically referring to hockey played on grass, if it is a reference to nhl, it would specifically say ice hockey. I doubt there is much coverage of nhl outside the americas and even if there was in some european countries, i doubt there would be much of a following. When euro reviewers are assessing sports performance, they would generally test sports that has the biggest following in europe (football/soccer).

Fald dse on a white rink is bound to show more dse issues than a sport played on grass. So in that respect, nhl on a tv with bad dse would be more unpleasant to watch. Dse comes down to lottery, but the q9fn last year had an unusually high number of dse complaints. Samsung might have addressed (reduced) the problem with the q90r, we'll have to wait for user impressions. Another aspect vital to sports is motion, I believe sony and panasonic lcd's still have a leg up on samsung when it comes to smoother motion in fast moving sports, samsung is acceptable with sports motion, but sony and panasonic are a little better. From the early q90r reviews, it doesn't seem samsung has made any real changes to motion from q9fn.
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Where are the 75" and 82" versions? So weird Samsung would only release the 65"...
Good question! I'm waiting for the 75". I'm curious if its more difficult for them to make the larger panels and if that's why? I would think with pixel density being lower, that it would be an easier make. No clue!
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Most of the world refers to what you in americas call hockey as ice hockey. As the hockey popular outside the americas is played on grass. If i see a news saying hockey in asia, it is automatically referring to hockey played on grass, if it is a reference to nhl, it would specifically say ice hockey. I doubt there is much coverage of nhl outside the americas and even if there was in some european countries, i doubt there would be much of a following. When euro reviewers are assessing sports performance, they would generally test sports that has the biggest following in europe (football/soccer).

Fald dse on a white rink is bound to show more dse issues than a sport played on grass. So in that respect, nhl on a tv with bad dse would be more unpleasant to watch.

Not sure what that summary was meant for exactly, but I feel like you just reiterated what he essentially said in his quote in one sentence, about (ice) hockey not being prevalent in Europe. Were you disagreeing with him?
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^No not disagreeing , just clarifying further. While it isn't that ice hockey isnt prevalent or people dont know of it, it's uncommon and review sites in europe would base performance by evaluating dse on soccer. you should rather see how rtings rates the dse on the tv with sports because they would test it with nhl content.
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While football is more popular in Europe, Ice hockey has its own following. It's very popular in Finland, Sweden, (Russia, if you count that) and Czech Republic, but also somewhat popular in Germany, Switzerland and Norway.
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Gah! Keep seeing updates to the thread only to find info on hockey/ice hockey instead of tvs.
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Quantum channel Compare LG OLED C8 with Q90

This guy really does not understand what he says he set picture standard mode Backlight 50 then he say Q90 colors are not accurate realy !!!!!

It is contradictory and does not know anything
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This guy really does not understand what he says he set picture standard mode Backlight 50 then he say Q90 colors are not accurate realy !!!!!

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This guy really does not understand what he says he set picture standard mode Backlight 50 then he say Q90 colors are not accurate realy !!!!!

It is contradictory and does not know anything
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The 98" will sorely and surely tempt me to upgrade/size from my 88KS9810 from 2016...but not until it's $20k or less. 3 years?
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I'm guessing less than that (the Chinese are coming, the Chinese are coming!!! ).
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The 98" will sorely and surely tempt me to upgrade/size from my 88KS9810 from 2016...but not until it's $20k or less. 3 years?
And more than 480 dimming zones. The same number as a 65" screen is simply a DQ even if the price is reasonable.
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And more than 480 dimming zones. The same number as a 65" screen is simply a DQ even if the price is reasonable.
Meh. Beyond a certain threshold of performance I don't get too wrapped up in things like that for screens this size. If it looks great 9x% of the time, which it will, I'm good. I could nitpick my current 88" display, but instead choose to be wowed by how excellent it looks nearly all the time.
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Q60 input lag test - 1080p @ 60hz


Very high input lag compared to last years q6fn model. They could not test in 4k so hopefully it is at least in the 20's.
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Very high input lag compared to last years q6fn model. They could not test in 4k so hopefully it is at least in the 20's.

That is extremely disappointing, but that number is also suspiciously high. I'll take that with a grain of salt until corroborated by another tester.

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I wish they would confirm earc update in future or not so i can decide between q80 or lg c9. I dont even care if it doesnt happen for a few months, just confirm its in plans or not.
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My 75-inch 2019 Q70R arrived yesterday. I can confirm that it does not use the One Connect box and it does not work with the No Gap wall mount.

This TV was a replacement of a defective 2018 Q7R, which was already hung in my built-in cabinet. Really bummed that I can’t use my existing wall mount with this TV.

Regarding the image quality, first impression is very positive. Very deep blacks and very bright highlights. I look forward to calibrating it soon.

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Good question! I'm waiting for the 75". I'm curious if its more difficult for them to make the larger panels and if that's why? I would think with pixel density being lower, that it would be an easier make. No clue!
Well someone at Samsung must have heard our whining

https://www.samsung.com/us/televisio...qn82q90rafxza/

The 82" Q90R is up on the site, but no price and no estimated ship date yet. Shouldn't be long now...
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Very high input lag compared to last years q6fn model. They could not test in 4k so hopefully it is at least in the 20's.

Thankfully this has been redacted. They had Game Motion Plus enabled by accident. They are now getting 15ms which is much more impressive.
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I got the Q60 today. Honestly, I really didn't need it but the chrome bezel on my KS8000 was driving me crazy and I wanted to go 55" (from 49").


Initial impression is that it's a pretty big improvement. Very sharp, good color, even backlight, very bright. I still need to watch a 4K movie for a full impression but so far so good.

A few concerns and nitpicks though. I fired up Red Dead Redemption 2 and it looked great but I noticed the moment I start moving, something was off and there was a blur effect on the character. Eventually, I found the same setting that ABT wasn't aware of - Game Motion Plus which is buried under External Device Manger (???). Turning that setting off, everything now looks good. So for you gamers, make sure to disable that setting the very moment you go into Game Mode.


My big concern is the lack of options. Coming from the KS8000, you had options for Smart LED (Local Dimming), Black Level and HDMI UHD Color. All gone from the Q60. I'm particularly worried about the missing Smart LED/Local Dimming setting. On the KS8000, for any setting higher than Low for Smart LED, you could noticeably see the screen brighten and dim during scenes. That's a deal breaker for me and too distracting to enjoy a movie.

I'm hoping perhaps the dimming is improved as such where they felt they could remove the setting but I would still like the option. I saw someone mention on a previous model that it was moved to the Service Menu.


After watching a movie tomorrow tonight, I'll post an update. Fingers crossed...
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Good question! I'm waiting for the 75". I'm curious if its more difficult for them to make the larger panels and if that's why? I would think with pixel density being lower, that it would be an easier make. No clue!
Well someone at Samsung must have heard our whining [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]

https://www.samsung.com/us/televisio...qn82q90rafxza/

The 82" Q90R is up on the site, but no price and no estimated ship date yet. Shouldn't be long now...
According to PC Richard & Son it is $6499
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Well someone at Samsung must have heard our whining

https://www.samsung.com/us/televisio...qn82q90rafxza/

The 82" Q90R is up on the site, but no price and no estimated ship date yet. Shouldn't be long now...
The "Bent" stand. The Q900 in same size shows the conventional spread legs. I wonder if this stand is going to migrate to the Q900 series? I can see advantages to the bent stand if one is putting the set on a narrow console. According to the specs, the bottom of the display is 4" above the bottom of the stand. In my current installation, I have my spread legs sitting on 5" high blocks, to give me room to put a center speaker under the display. I think I'd just as soon see the bent stand with even less rise than 4". Then I'd just set the TV stand on top of the Center speaker. I can't think of any reason for any rise at all with a "center" stand.

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The "Bent" stand. The Q900 in same size shows the conventional spread legs. I wonder if this stand is going to migrate to the Q900 series? I can see advantages to the bent stand if one is putting the set on a narrow console. According to the specs, the bottom of the display is 4" above the bottom of the stand. In my current installation, I have my spread legs sitting on 5" high blocks, to give me room to put a center speaker under the display. I think I'd just as soon see the bent stand with even less rise than 4". Then I'd just set the TV stand on top of the Center speaker. I can't think of any reason for any rise at all with a "center" stand.
I actually prefer the center bent stand. My current stand holds my 65" KS9500. It has a y center stand. The TV before it had edge legs. That was problematic for me, barely fitting on the already-very-large TV stand. With this center stand 75", I know it'll fit without issue. The weight isn't the issue, always the spread legs. Pro's and Con's for each individual.
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I see there is an SU8000 model? No data?

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I got the Q60 today. Honestly, I really didn't need it but the chrome bezel on my KS8000 was driving me crazy and I wanted to go 55" (from 49").


Initial impression is that it's a pretty big improvement. Very sharp, good color, even backlight, very bright. I still need to watch a 4K movie for a full impression but so far so good.

A few concerns and nitpicks though. I fired up Red Dead Redemption 2 and it looked great but I noticed the moment I start moving, something was off and there was a blur effect on the character. Eventually, I found the same setting that ABT wasn't aware of - Game Motion Plus which is buried under External Device Manger (???). Turning that setting off, everything now looks good. So for you gamers, make sure to disable that setting the very moment you go into Game Mode.


My big concern is the lack of options. Coming from the KS8000, you had options for Smart LED (Local Dimming), Black Level and HDMI UHD Color. All gone from the Q60. I'm particularly worried about the missing Smart LED/Local Dimming setting. On the KS8000, for any setting higher than Low for Smart LED, you could noticeably see the screen brighten and dim during scenes. That's a deal breaker for me and too distracting to enjoy a movie.

I'm hoping perhaps the dimming is improved as such where they felt they could remove the setting but I would still like the option. I saw someone mention on a previous model that it was moved to the Service Menu.


After watching a movie tomorrow tonight, I'll post an update. Fingers crossed...

Given you mentioned you have the Q6 which is supposedly the entry lvl, while the q7 starts at the higher, I believe that may be why you're lacking options, I've noticed the same on previous Q6 models as they're the low end of the Q line but highest affordable. You can always check the hidden menu for them though, that's how I turned off my local dimming for PC/Gaming.
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I got the Q60 today. Honestly, I really didn't need it but the chrome bezel on my KS8000 was driving me crazy and I wanted to go 55" (from 49").


Initial impression is that it's a pretty big improvement. Very sharp, good color, even backlight, very bright. I still need to watch a 4K movie for a full impression but so far so good.

A few concerns and nitpicks though. I fired up Red Dead Redemption 2 and it looked great but I noticed the moment I start moving, something was off and there was a blur effect on the character. Eventually, I found the same setting that ABT wasn't aware of - Game Motion Plus which is buried under External Device Manger (???). Turning that setting off, everything now looks good. So for you gamers, make sure to disable that setting the very moment you go into Game Mode.


My big concern is the lack of options. Coming from the KS8000, you had options for Smart LED (Local Dimming), Black Level and HDMI UHD Color. All gone from the Q60. I'm particularly worried about the missing Smart LED/Local Dimming setting. On the KS8000, for any setting higher than Low for Smart LED, you could noticeably see the screen brighten and dim during scenes. That's a deal breaker for me and too distracting to enjoy a movie.

I'm hoping perhaps the dimming is improved as such where they felt they could remove the setting but I would still like the option. I saw someone mention on a previous model that it was moved to the Service Menu.


After watching a movie tomorrow tonight, I'll post an update. Fingers crossed...

Got around to watching a movie (First Man) in 4K and my fears were true. The local dimming is very noticeable when going from bright to dark scenes and you can see the picture dim. Everything looks great but the dimming is going to drive me crazy. I can't believe Samsung removed the option to control the dimming.


I'm going to have to find out how to get into the Service Menu to see if it can be changed from there. For anyone familiar with the Smart LED/Local Dimming setting on previous models, it's acting like it's on High where if you have it set on Low or Off, you don't get the noticeable dimming effect.
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Anyone have any clue on how to get into the service menu? I've tried Mute+1+8+2+Power and Info+Menu+Mute+Power. I got the hotel menu to work with another combination but not the service menu.
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Q60 is edge lit so ya, it will be more noticeable. I'm as surprised as you that you can't set dimming to be less aggressive. 6fn could be adjusted.
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