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I suspected the Q60 had frame dimming (undefeatable) and it was later confirmed by an owner but there were still some skeptics.

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After Rtings review - With such low brightness nits and cheap plastic build, why did the Q60 was even marketed as a Qled?
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After Rtings review - With such low brightness nits and cheap plastic build, why did the Q60 was even marketed as a Qled?
Because people will see QLED on the box and still buy it, and each one costs less to make now.
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Because people will see QLED on the box and still buy it, and each one costs less to make now.


That’s harsh - the QLED Gives it a wide color gamut and it has fantastic native contrast that is still better than most high end FALD

Sure the brightness is not great

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That’s harsh - the QLED Gives it a wide color gamut and it has fantastic native contrast that is still better than most high end FALD

Sure the brightness is not great
Deservedly harsh I think. Take a look compared to last year's (much cheaper) lower end non-QLED model. https://www.rtings.com/tv/tools/comp...g-q60r/586/780
I will be buying a Samsung in the next couple months... but I don't see any way this Q60 isn't a cash grab.
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I understand that there is NO eARC in the 2019 lineup per Samsung. They believe the streaming services will handle the higher quality audio and it will pass thru the eARC receivers IIRC....

Sony has 2 models and LG has one? Denon has some. Onkyo has one..

Is there an eARC thread? I couldn't find one???

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I got the Q60 today. Honestly, I really didn't need it but the chrome bezel on my KS8000 was driving me crazy and I wanted to go 55" (from 49").


Initial impression is that it's a pretty big improvement. Very sharp, good color, even backlight, very bright. I still need to watch a 4K movie for a full impression but so far so good.
So you confirm that Q60 is brighter than KS8000 with the similar settings? I am looking at Rtings and KS8000 has superior brightness than Q60 and Q70? I was looking 82" Q70R but when compared to KS8000 it has worse brightness and reflection. For me reflection is not important but brightness is.

I am confused. If Q60R is brighter than KS8000. Than Q70R would be brighter than Q60R. That's fantastic to hear.

Please confirm if it's better than KS8000. Rtings keep changing review techniques. So maybe it's not right to compare KS8000 to Q70 or Q60. Maybe they were using different technique back then to test brightness so KS8000 looks better?
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So you confirm that Q60 is brighter than KS8000 with the similar settings? I am looking at Rtings and KS8000 has superior brightness than Q60 and Q70? I was looking 82" Q70R but when compared to KS8000 it has worse brightness and reflection. For me reflection is not important but brightness is.

I am confused. If Q60R is brighter than KS8000. Than Q70R would be brighter than Q60R. That's fantastic to hear.

Please confirm if it's better than KS8000. Rtings keep changing review techniques. So maybe it's not right to compare KS8000 to Q70 or Q60. Maybe they were using different technique back then to test brightness so KS8000 looks better?

The Q60R is edge lit like the KS8000 and felt noticeably brighter to me. Looking at rtings, it looks like the KS8000 had a slightly higher SDR brightness but the brightness for HDR content is quite a bit higher on the Q60/Q70.


The KS8000 had a glossy finish which I didn't like. The brightness made it where it wasn't a big deal. Meanwhile, the Q60 and Q70 are semi-glossy so they have less work to do to mitigate the glossy screen/reflection.


That said, I did end up returning my Q60 for a Q70 because it turned out to have global dimming and no local dimming. That was a deal breaker for me. The Q70 feels a little less brighter than the Q70 (since one is edge lit and one is backlit) but the HDR is worlds better on the Q70 and the brightness of the HDR is impressive.


Honestly, if you are happy with the KS8000, just keep it. For me, I couldn't get over the chrome bezel and just wanted better HDR.
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The Q60R is edge lit like the KS8000 and felt noticeably brighter to me. Looking at rtings, it looks like the KS8000 had a slightly higher SDR brightness but the brightness for HDR content is quite a bit higher on the Q60/Q70.


The KS8000 had a glossy finish which I didn't like. The brightness made it where it wasn't a big deal. Meanwhile, the Q60 and Q70 are semi-glossy so they have less work to do to mitigate the glossy screen/reflection.


That said, I did end up returning my Q60 for a Q70 because it turned out to have global dimming and no local dimming. That was a deal breaker for me. The Q70 feels a little less brighter than the Q70 (since one is edge lit and one is backlit) but the HDR is worlds better on the Q70 and the brightness of the HDR is impressive.


Honestly, if you are happy with the KS8000, just keep it. For me, I couldn't get over the chrome bezel and just wanted better HDR.
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I will definitely keep My KS8000 but I just need an extra 80+ inches TV. (60 inches is not big enough for me to benefit 4k details.) The HDR brightness of Q70 looks pretty good compared to KS8000. However most of the content are SDR so SDR brightness is important as well. Everything looks superior than KS8000. But tested brightness and reflections puts me off. According to tests, it's almost as dark as OLED TVs.

I don't like glossy screen too! However they have anti reflective coat and therefore glossy screens are better at reflections than semi glossy ones.

I hope to find a store to compare q80 and q70 or q70 and NU8000 side by side. If brightness is negligible between these two models and it would be more negligible between Q70R and KS8000.

By the way I have jusct checked the Changelog on Rtings:

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Remeasured SDR brightness with a PC as the source, rather than our Blu-ray player
We want to use a PC as the source from now on, so we can automate testing
We found that our Blu-ray player was sending a brighter-than-white signal all this time, causing TVs to measure brighter from the Blu-ray player than from the PC, so we had to remeasure all 2018 TVs using a PC
Remeasured HDR brightness for a few TVs with a PC as the source (LG B8, C8 and E8, Samsung The Frame 2018, TCL S405, Sony X750F, Toshiba Fire TV 2018)
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Changed peak brightness scoring curve to expand range to 4000 nit TVs
So the numbers are not accurate since they changed how they test brightness. So I will rely on the comments of end users. And people here upgraded from KS8000 to Q70R all seemed happy.

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I will definitely keep My KS8000 but I just need an extra 80+ inches TV. (60 inches is not big enough for me to benefit 4k details.) The HDR brightness of Q70 looks pretty good compared to KS8000. However most of the content are SDR so SDR brightness is important as well. Everything looks superior than KS8000. But tested brightness and reflections puts me off. According to tests, it's almost as dark as OLED TVs.

I don't like glossy screen too! However they have anti reflective coat and therefore glossy screens are better at reflections than semi glossy ones.

I hope to find a store to compare q80 and q70 or q70 and NU8000 side by side. If brightness is negligible between these two models and it would be more negligible between Q70R and KS8000.

By the way I have jusct checked the Changelog on Rtings:





So the numbers are not accurate since they changed how they test brightness. So I will rely on the comments of end users. And people here upgraded from KS8000 to Q70R all seemed happy.
I'm in the same basic boat. I too have the KS8000 and while I like the TV quite a bit I'm thinking about upgrading. I'm considering the Q70 in a 65", my KS is 60", and I sit 9 feet from the TV so the size is fine.

The Q models don't use the "One Box" which may be a bit of a problem for me. I use two portable hard drives plugged into the One Box usb ports. I have many movies on them and like the ease and simplicity of access and don't want to lose that access. I'm looking at the Q's owner's manual to see how easy it will be to use the drives.

I took care of the chrome strip on the bottom of the KS8000 with a nice strip of black electrical tape. Looks like it was always there.

To those that have upgraded/changed from the KS8000 to a Q70 or higher, maybe I'll wait until next year, what are your impressions?
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I'm in the same basic boat. I too have the KS8000 and while I like the TV quite a bit I'm thinking about upgrading. I'm considering the Q70 in a 65", my KS is 60", and I sit 9 feet from the TV so the size is fine.



The Q models don't use the "One Box" which may be a bit of a problem for me. I use two portable hard drives plugged into the One Box usb ports. I have many movies on them and like the ease and simplicity of access and don't want to lose that access. I'm looking at the Q's owner's manual to see how easy it will be to use the drives.



I took care of the chrome strip on the bottom of the KS8000 with a nice strip of black electrical tape. Looks like it was always there.



To those that have upgraded/changed from the KS8000 to a Q70 or higher, maybe I'll wait until next year, what are your impressions?

Thank you
I still have my 55 and 65 inch KS8000s and they are still awesome for me and my family.

In April, I added the 85 inch Q90R. It's a significant upgrade! Note that this model does have the OneConnectBox with a very, very thin optical connection to the TV.

Any issues I have are extremely minor. It is well integrated with my AVR, PS4 and UHD BD player just like my KS8000 was. Blacks are deeper, HDR engagement is easier and more obvious. Much faster, yet familiar, user interface and remote.

So definitely worth your consideration.
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