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I hooked up my gtx980ti but I'm pretty sure it will not output 120hz in any resolution through it. I tried forcing 120hz in 1080p, even got the ufo test to read 120hz, but 60hz fly by and 120hz fly by looked the same. This very well could be a 60hz panel. I'm not sure any graphics cards put 120hz through HDMI, and definitely not at a 4k resolution.

The motion is significantly better than the Samsung q8fn. That's a huge plus for me. I do have three fingerprint size dark spots on my screen though which is definitely noticeable at times. Not sure what I'm going to do about that. Other than those spots. The screen has no dirty screen effect, or at least extremely minimal. The q8 over exaggerated colors and actually made some guys coats look like a bright red blob in the Peru 8k video on YouTube. With the tcl, I can see that they are orange coats and the detail on them. So the q8 can get borderline florescent at a cost of detail, no thanks. The local dimming is much better on the tcl. I think the qled had a barely sharper image, could just be in my head though.

What do you guys think I should do about the spots? Ask Best buy for an exchange?
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I hooked up my gtx980ti but I'm pretty sure it will not output 120hz in any resolution through it. I tried forcing 120hz in 1080p, even got the ufo test to read 120hz, but 60hz fly by and 120hz fly by looked the same. This very well could be a 60hz panel. I'm not sure any graphics cards put 120hz through HDMI, and definitely not at a 4k resolution.

The motion is significantly better than the Samsung q8fn. That's a huge plus for me. I do have three fingerprint size dark spots on my screen though which is definitely noticeable at times. Not sure what I'm going to do about that. Other than those spots. The screen has no dirty screen effect, or at least extremely minimal. The q8 over exaggerated colors and actually made some guys coats look like a bright red blob in the Peru 8k video on YouTube. With the tcl, I can see that they are orange coats and the detail on them. So the q8 can get borderline florescent at a cost of detail, no thanks. The local dimming is much better on the tcl. I think the qled had a barely sharper image, could just be in my head though.

What do you guys think I should do about the spots? Ask Best buy for an exchange?
Thanks for putting the 60 or 120 hz thing to bed. If I could not remove the marks with a damp micro fiber cloth I would look for an exchange.
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In fact, I believe the current MSRP on the P75-F1 is actually $1,999.
Nope. Check BB's site. It's the same price today as what I paid for my 65 inch P series in 2016. It was on sale then for $1699.

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I attached an image of the dark spots. You can see them in the white part, both are at the same horizontal level. In fact, all 3 (one is further to the right) are at the same horizontal level.
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I've spent a boat load too.

Everyone agreed, after the reviews of the last two P series that they were under priced- the biggest bang for the buck. It is possible that the R model performs at least as good as Vizio's P series, which would make the R still reasonably priced, if not a little under priced. PQ being equal the TCL has more to offer, especially for cord cutters or those who don't want to pay Spectrum for another box. I think the review will tell us all we need to know about it's true value.

I'm not trying to hype this tv up, but I'm curious about this year's improvements since I owned the P607 and returned it. I bought a Sony 900E instead. I've got a 65" Panny ST60 (plasma) that I'd like to replace with a 75." I'd prefer the Sony, but that's nearly twice the price of TCL. It won't be a Vizio, but it might be the TCL if they've significantly improved the things I didn't like about the P607. If not, there's always next year.
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I attached an image of the dark spots. You can see them in the white part, both are at the same horizontal level. In fact, all 3 (one is further to the right) are at the same horizontal level.
I'm not able to load that pic. Just get a spinning wheel.
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I hooked up my gtx980ti but I'm pretty sure it will not output 120hz in any resolution through it. I tried forcing 120hz in 1080p, even got the ufo test to read 120hz, but 60hz fly by and 120hz fly by looked the same. This very well could be a 60hz panel. I'm not sure any graphics cards put 120hz through HDMI, and definitely not at a 4k resolution.

The motion is significantly better than the Samsung q8fn. That's a huge plus for me. I do have three fingerprint size dark spots on my screen though which is definitely noticeable at times. Not sure what I'm going to do about that. Other than those spots. The screen has no dirty screen effect, or at least extremely minimal. The q8 over exaggerated colors and actually made some guys coats look like a bright red blob in the Peru 8k video on YouTube. With the tcl, I can see that they are orange coats and the detail on them. So the q8 can get borderline florescent at a cost of detail, no thanks. The local dimming is much better on the tcl. I think the qled had a barely sharper image, could just be in my head though.

What do you guys think I should do about the spots? Ask Best buy for an exchange?
Yeah that card should output 120hz no problem if you tried to force 120hz 1080p probably a 60hz panel figured it probably was however just to throw it in there not all TVs will accept an external 120hz source and be 120hz. Tcl website states 120hz cmi that alone tells me it's 60hz native I may pick one up anyways all the other choices are so expensive Sony Samsung I can't see spending g 3500 dollars on a TV I can get this TV and a nice 144 hz monitor and still be under 2500 I have the 55 I love it.

As far as the black splotches if they aren't smudges on the screen they may be bad LEDs I would probably exchange it I personally can put up with flaws but not spots or dead pixels my eyes are drawn to those. Unfortunately we all play the panel lottery with TVs it can be frustrating thanks for the update.
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Nope. Check BB's site. It's the same price today as what I paid for my 65 inch P series in 2016. It was on sale then for $1699.
And the P75-F1 is on sale now. It says “Was $1999, now $1699”. The TCL 75” 6 series is just hitting the market, which is my point. There isn’t going to be a sale price on it for awhile. Why should we expect it to be cheaper as a brand new model? I think a $1799 price at the time of introduction is a great price for the performance it offers. I’m sure it will be cheaper after 6-9 mos, just like the P75-F1 got cheaper after 6-9 mos.
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Looks like the BB exclusive is over.

https://www.tclusa.com/products/home...mart-tv-75r617

The 17 variation is now available for $100 more than the BB's 15 variation
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Why should we expect it to be cheaper as a brand new model?
Simply because that's what their history has been. The 55 and 65 6 series undercut the competition as did the (TCL) 55 and 65 P series from the year before.

I know the value of what they can bring to the table. I own a 55 6 series, and a 55 P series. Heck I even own a 55 and 32 inch S series.
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Here is another try at the image. The spots are darker in person and about the size of a dime. One is in the yellow, one is in the white. Ive cleaned the screen repeatedly, its the pixels, not the surface.
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Here is another try at the image. The spots are darker in person and about the size of a dime. One is in the yellow, one is in the white. Ive cleaned the screen repeatedly, its the pixels, not the surface.
I see them barley i would try to clean them if not return it. They are hard to see in the pic almost unnoticeable and probably look more pronounced in person.
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Here is another try at the image. The spots are darker in person and about the size of a dime. One is in the yellow, one is in the white. Ive cleaned the screen repeatedly, its the pixels, not the surface.
I have read about, but have never had reason to try (for lack of a better term) a screen massage. Get a microfiber cloth and gently rub the areas that need attention. I have no idea if it will help or not, but nothing to lose. It's normally used for stuck pixels, DSE, or banding. Give it a shot.

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Hey guys,
I have videos I uploaded of the splotches. I'll repeat again that it's definitely darker in person than appears in the video, but the video definitely should be visible enough.

Edit** If I watch the videos on actual youtube and not through the embed here in this post, it's easier to see. **



The second link should be easier to see.

I've tried massaging out the spots, with vary levels of pressure, now to the point where I don't want to damage the screen and it hasn't helped.

BB initiated the exchange for a new one.

And before anyone reads this post without reading my posts above, I like this TV a lot more than the Samsung Q8 QLED I just returned. Once I get more time with this TCL TV, I'll write a more thorough post about the differences between the two.
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I have videos I uploaded of the splotches. I'll repeat again that it's definitely darker in person than appears in the video, but the video definitely should be visible enough.

Edit** If I watch the videos on actual youtube and not through the embed here in this post, it's easier to see. **

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZF4H_fjKs9Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECR3GxRp3c4

The second link should be easier to see.

I've tried massaging out the spots, with vary levels of pressure, now to the point where I don't want to damage the screen and it hasn't helped.

BB initiated the exchange for a new one.

And before anyone reads this post without reading my posts above, I like this TV a lot more than the Samsung Q8 QLED I just returned. Once I get more time with this TCL TV, I'll write a more thorough post about the differences between the two.
Hard to see on video I see them in the pictures you posted doesn't look like pixel issue to me looks like led issue if it bothers you exchange it I returned a Samsung 3 times once before I got one I was happy with. My 55 tcl was good first time if I get one of these hopefully it will be to 2k lot oh cash for a TV exchange it if your not happy with this one
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I'm about ready to pull the trigger on either a 65 or 75 (leaning 75) 6-series and could use a shove over the fence.

Also, anybody think 8-9ft back is too close for the 75in? Will be used primarily for streaming and Xbox (1080P and 4K).

It's going upstairs, will be primarily for the kids and will be replacing a 92in projection setup. (remodel)

Already own the 55in P-series and 65in 6-series so familiar (and happy) with the panels themselves.

Just looking for some 75in owner feedback.

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Nope. Check BB's site. It's the same price today as what I paid for my 65 inch P series in 2016. It was on sale then for $1699.
And the P75-F1 is on sale now. It says “Was $1999, now $1699”. The TCL 75” 6 series is just hitting the market, which is my point. There isn’t going to be a sale price on it for awhile. Why should we expect it to be cheaper as a brand new model? I think a $1799 price at the time of introduction is a great price for the performance it offers. I’m sure it will be cheaper after 6-9 mos, just like the P75-F1 got cheaper after 6-9 mos.
It would help a lot more if other venders were to carry this specific model too. I mean what competition does BB have to sell it any cheaper? And I really hardly ever see terribly good prices on TVs from them anyway (sometimes they have a few deals around BF or when something goes on clearance); usually the killer sales come from Frys, Costco, Microcenter, PC Richards, B&H Photo, etc. I hope that BB doesn't have some sort of exclusive deal with TCL on this specific TV and other vendors start selling it otherwise it won't drop much at all.

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It would help a lot more if other venders were to carry this specific model too. I mean what competition does BB have to sell it any cheaper? And I really hardly ever see terribly good prices on TVs from them anyway (sometimes they have a few deals around BF or when something goes on clearance); usually the killer sales come from Frys, Costco, Microcenter, PC Richards, B&H Photo, etc. I hope that BB doesn't have some sort of exclusive deal with TCL on this specific TV and other vendors start selling it otherwise it won't drop much at all.
There are 2 versions of this set. BB had an exclusive since CES. ( that was for the 15 variation) Just the other day the 17 version showed up on the TCL web site. Just yesterday the " Where To Buy " became active. There are now 2 more options for purchase. However the 17 is $100 more than the 15. You get the better remote, but it ain't worth no hundred bucks !
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Forgot to mention this part. The packaging of the TV is extremely impressive... Until you realize they put tape on the left, top, and right side of the screen. It legit pulls on the screen when you are peeling it off. Some guy made a video of it too.
https://youtu.be/tQkfwZy0cUs
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It would help a lot more if other venders were to carry this specific model too. I mean what competition does BB have to sell it any cheaper? And I really hardly ever see terribly good prices on TVs from them anyway (sometimes they have a few deals around BF or when something goes on clearance); usually the killer sales come from Frys, Costco, Microcenter, PC Richards, B&H Photo, etc. I hope that BB doesn't have some sort of exclusive deal with TCL on this specific TV and other vendors start selling it otherwise it won't drop much at all.
There are 2 versions of this set. BB had an exclusive since CES. ( that was for the 15 variation) Just the other day the 17 version showed up on the TCL web site. Just yesterday the " Where To Buy " became active. There are now 2 more options for purchase. However the 17 is $100 more than the 15. You get the better remote, but it ain't worth no hundred bucks ! [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif[/IMG]
I bet that one with the better remote will go on sale first though since it's sold by PC Richards & Son. I'm hoping Costco will pick it up also but it seems like they've just had 4 series TCL TVs lately though. I'm in no rush to jump. Would like to see a few more reviews too. So far they've been good for this particular TV but the 65 seemed to have some quality control issues.
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Ran a motion test on this today. Can confirm, 120 hz.


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Forgot to mention this part. The packaging of the TV is extremely impressive... Until you realize they put tape on the left, top, and right side of the screen. It legit pulls on the screen when you are peeling it off. Some guy made a video of it too.
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Also, anybody think 8-9ft back is too close for the 75in? Will be used primarily for streaming and Xbox (1080P and 4K).

It's going upstairs, will be primarily for the kids and will be replacing a 92in projection setup. (remodel)

TIA
Mine is set at around 9 ft. The first time I played a video game it felt "weird" but that quickly passed. I plan to eventually get an articulating mount so that I can pull it closer for movies.

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I did not have this on my 6 series
Mine had it but it peeled off super easy.

I was worried that it would leave a residue, especially when "scratching" up the end in order to start the peel. Thankfully it didn't.

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What test did you run?


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First video of the 75 i've seen ... Cant wait to get one..
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I am replacing a Sony XBR-65X900A which I took to the dump a couple of weeks ago. I have always liked Sony for their PQ however over the years I have had more than my fair share of them live a short life span. That's going back to a few years before the KP5020 was around. Believe me when I tell you it's not a good feeling throwing a $4000 TV in a dumpster.
Same problem with Sony and the horizontal lines. I gave my 900A away to guy who claimed he could fix it. He has not been able to.
I now have a 65" tcl.
In a nutshell, the TCL will blow the Sony out of the water in 4k content.
Cable tv looks more or less the same on the TCL and Sony.
I do believe Sony had a slightly crisper picture.
The Sony stood out for color accuracy. This TCL does not have good reds, they are too fluorescent. Sony really beats this tv in color accuracy, but for the rest the TCL wins
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Does anyone one know exactly what definitive test professional reviewers use to determine without question the native panel refresh rate? I found the following good description of where 120 Hz is and isn't useful but not exactly how they test to verify native refresh rate (without motion interpolation):

rtings.com/tv/learn/what-is-the-refresh-rate-60hz-vs-120hz
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