The dramatically improved viewing angle of the high-end 2019 Samsung QLEDs was a pleasant surprise to me! I've been agonizing over the tradeoff between QLED viewing angle and OLED burn-in for months, but on Thursday I gained clarity. I am so glad
that I decided to go look in person.
The 75" Q80 was $4999 at Video Only in Mountain View, CA, USA, with the option of an additional $500 trade-in on ANY other TV, working or not. They revise their prices every Friday, so that deal may no longer apply today. I'm thinking that I'll get one during the summer sales or maybe on Black Friday.
The salesman (who had the same difficulty I did in locating technical reviews on 2019 models and only a couple of weeks experience with the Q80 in the showroom prior to my arriving) was just as surprised as I was yesterday as he pointed out the very wide viewing angle of the Q80 in our side-by-side comparison versus the X900F and the Q8FN. I noticed minimal dimming with good contrast and color accuracy even at 45 degrees off axis from the Q80, even while comparing it from directly in front of the visibly inferior pop of the X900F.
Originally Posted by Mike99
Thanks everyone for all the replies.
Welcome! Or rather, thank you for starting this thread.
Or perhaps just forget about QLED.
That's what I did yesterday. Perhaps all OLED has to offer (now that Q80/Q90 QLED has a decided edge in HDR) is infinite blacks that just don't seem worth it (in a living room anyway). I can't use an OLED for my PC monitor or mobile device mirroring without destroying the exceptionally costly OLED either.
The new FALD algorithms have more zones and are less aggressive for fewer artifacts like blooming, plus the high-end LCD panels have native contrast exceeding 5000:1. Infinite blacks of OLED just don't measure up any more as a selling point IMO.
I expect OLED display technology to vanish into the same dustbin as burn-in-prone plasmas now that Samsung has high-contrast QLED with wide viewing angle and superior HDR brightness as well as superior color volume.
Originally Posted by VA_DaveB
what you're being told here is just yearly Samsung hype
The Q80 seemed to dim very slightly off-axis but the color accuracy and contrast remained good IMO. It was a plainly noticeable improvement even to someone who hasn't been in a TV showroom for years and has minimal familiarity with panel tech. It's not hype!
Originally Posted by tubers
Like too washed out for the X900F unless I start jacking up color and live color.
sony's colors falls of earlier by 2 degrees but brightness falls off faster by a whopping 17 degrees for Q8FN.
The Q80 blew the doors off both the X900F and the Q8FN in viewing angle IMO, and the Sony looked relatively dull and dim with dirty bluish whites even from directly on-axis, sort of like a painting as opposed to real life, when displaying the bright outdoor demo.
Something else I noted was the reflections. The Q80 dispersed the salesman's bright white dot of the cell phone flashlight into a rainbow of dim spatially separated multicolored dots instead of bright white streaks. Both reflection patterns were shaped like a cross, but the Q80 rainbow-colored reflections were barely noticeable in comparison to even the white streaks on last year's Q8FN. I'd expect the wide viewing angle and excellent reflection attenuation with superb HDR brightness to make for an unrivaled living room experience.
Something somewhere said something about prisms in the new panels to preserve color purity? That might also account for some of the dispersion that I observed, diffraction-grating-like, of the multicolored dot reflections from a white LED phone flashlight?
I noticed the prior graphic on this thread that seems to indicate there's also a choice of whether to put the quantum dot layer before of after the LCD in the light path. Maybe putting the quantum dot layer after the LCD allows its diffuse re-radiated light to more closely resemble OLED dispersion, as opposed to shining the quantum dot light through the directional LCD?
Maybe adding a prism between the LCD and the quantum dots might contain the scatter from the LCD layer and maintain color purity at the quantum dot and color filter layers by shading dots that are not intended to be lit by their adjacent pixels, much like the shadow mask on a CRT?
Sorry, I've never studied panel tech so I don't know how all this works. I'm not just speculating, I'm outright guessing. I'd appreciate an expert chiming in and explaining this accurately as opposed to my speculation/guess.
I wrote off the steeply-discounted open-box Q9FN in the stockroom because its fragile optical interface cable to the One Connect box foretells of a potentially bricked TV if the cable gets damaged after it is no longer available. I already had that lack of availability with the failing LED light source on the Mistubishi Laservue. Besides, the Q9 doesn't have that very wide viewing angle AFAIK
Video Only has the largest 8K 2019 Samsung in the showroom as well. I didn't pay much attention to a TV that I cannot afford, but the picture looked very good to me. I suppose with 8K upscaling from very low resolution sources like dropped-frame blocky broadcast or compressed blocky SD cable, I might notice fewer jaggies on 8K.
I don't expect to benefit at all from such a fully immersive retinal display when viewing 8K content versus viewing that same 8K content on a 4K display, unless I view from very close. (So much for a center speaker.) At that degree of immersion, acoustically transparent projection seems a better option for home theater, but it's not practical in my living room. So at least in my market, the Q80 seems like the best TV this year and a revolutionary improvement IMHO with its very wide viewing angle.
Someone must have asked RTINGS for a review of the Q80 by now. Any idea when we can expect one? I'm curious about its gray uniformity. The motion processing on all of the high-end TVs I checked yesterday seems adequate to my eyes and nearly indistinguishable from real life motion. I don't expect that to matter at all to me.