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Isn't the "OLED is better than LCD" narrative tiring?

If I was in the market for a 65", I would get the Sony OLED. But I'm not and I don't want to spend $4,500 on a 77" OLED to burn in.
as is the mention of burn-in on every lcd thread that I read.
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Also, everyone don't forget that Samsung just released a replacement for Q900 called Q950 in Europe with some improvements. If I get this tv, will my Q900 be obsolete in months...?

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as is the mention of burn-in on every lcd thread that I read.
I am stating the facts and the other guy is just conjecture.

Fact: There is a chance OLED can or will burn in.

Fact: I don't accept the chance of burning in a $4,500 OLED TV.

Fact: Since OLED is not an option for me, I look at high end LCDs.

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Also, everyone don't forget that Samsung just released a replacement for Q900 called Q950 in Europe with some improvements. If I get this tv, will my Q900 be obsolete in months...?
This tv is the Q950 America has just kept the Same Q900 model name but it is the same 2019 Q950 that Europe is getting.
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LOL you are funny, but QLED is Samsung's version of Quantum Dots and from all the scientifically calibrated tests on all of the TVs that use the technology (not just Samsung, Sony was the first), they have all shown to increase the color volume of the DCI-P3 and Rec2020 color spaces far and above what regular LCD/LED/OLED can do. As far as over saturation, there's this new thing called "having your TV calibrated" so that it's within all color space specs and therefore not over-saturated. Not sure what Samsung TVs you were watching with over-saturated colors, probably at Best Buy in Vivid mode! LOL #stopthemadness

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lol i own c8 77" and q900 85 " i will never go back to c8 it sit in my living room no one use it lol
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It’s a TV...relax.

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Indeed it is and you're expending a lot of negative energy and time bashing it...so what's that saying? Still don't know what type of TV you own...bro.

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Sorry but QLED is a gimmick. Colors are way over saturated ...
If you found the colors over saturated, did it occur to you to turn down the user Color control? I have it set quite low on my Q9FN, at 11, but with that adjustment, colors look fine.

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8k ? What’s gonna be next 16k in 6 months? 1080p hasn’t even been perfected or mainstream yet. Stop with the rushing. What is so hard about just making a damn TV. I already have a phone and don’t need a 55” smartphone
So basically you're only here to complain about new TV tech? He's reviewing a TV not even out yet, but you're complaining as if you own one.
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lol i own c8 77" and q900 85 " i will never go back to c8 it sit in my living room no one use it lol
Wow...you can go ahead and send that 77” C8 to me, because the 85” Q900 that I tested in my local electronics store on the weekend couldn’t touch the C8 in overall picture quality. There was no magic in Samsung’s 8K AI upscaling either, as low rez sources still look like low rez on the Q900.

The 8K demo loop they had running via USB looked great, but who the heck cares! If I want to see amazingly detailed and ‘life like’ images, I’ll just step outside my house. These 8K panels are at least 5 years ahead of their time.

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i would beg to differ. I think 4k has become more or less mainstream, if you are in the market for a new tv. Now if you already have an existing tv and aren't planning on buying one for a while that's one thing. But if you are in the market for a new tv it's not impossible but very difficult to find a 1080p tv, unless you are specifically ordering one in which case you have to hunt one down. For example lets say you go to bestbuy, you have to HUNT to find a 1080p set they are normally hidden off in a corner somewhere and you will almost never find one with decent features. You would probably have better luck trying to find a "dumb" tv. Even in the TV's under $500 there are more 4k sets available than 1080p or 720p. Now as far as 8K is concerned, IMO its a total waste of money, mainly due to the fact there is about a ZERO chance of ever seeing 8k disc based media, and frankly all streaming is sub standard compared to the disc based counterpart, they look pretty good but its not the same, unless you spring for something like Kaleidoscope or something like that.
and regular DVD's still outsell Blu Ray and UHD Blu Ray so go figure.
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I can't imagine who would buy this TV or any Samsung TV moving forward... not b/c of the 8K or the price, those are subjective. But why would anyone buy this TV with only one HDR format and not the dual format contenders like the new Sony TVs (Can't remember model #s ) and Panasonic (outside of the US). If I was in the market for a TV and had this much money to spend, I'd rather buy the upcoming Sonys with both DV and HDR10+ formats, simple. I imagine LG would also be gearing up to release dual format displays, perhaps next year... can't say the same about Samsung. "Give me one or the other, I dont want both for the same price" Said No one ever.

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I can't imagine who would buy this TV or any Samsung TV moving forward... not b/c of the 8K or the price, those are subjective. But why would anyone buy this TV with only one HDR format and not the dual format contenders like the new Sony TVs (Can't remember model #s ) and Panasonic (outside of the US). If I was in the market for a TV and had this much money to spend, I'd rather buy the upcoming Sonys with both DV and HDR10+ formats, simple. I imagine LG would also be gearing up to release dual format displays, perhaps next year... can't say the same about Samsung. "Give me one or the other, I dont want both for the same price" Said No one ever.
Since when did Sony start supporting HDR10+? As I see it Sony is in the DV/HDR10 camp and Samsung is in the HDR10/+ camp. Choose your side.

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I can't imagine who would buy this TV or any Samsung TV moving forward... not b/c of the 8K or the price, those are subjective. But why would anyone buy this TV with only one HDR format and not the dual format contenders like the new Sony TVs (Can't remember model #s ) and Panasonic (outside of the US). If I was in the market for a TV and had this much money to spend, I'd rather buy the upcoming Sonys with both DV and HDR10+ formats, simple. I imagine LG would also be gearing up to release dual format displays, perhaps next year... can't say the same about Samsung. "Give me one or the other, I dont want both for the same price" Said No one ever.
Not sure if this is true, but I have heard you can’t tell a difference with DV on sets this bright. That DV is typically more for your mid range sets.
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Now that you have seen the 82Q900 and mentioned it is "Samsung's best TV ever"

Did you get to view it long enough to mentally compare it to Sony's Z9D?



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8k ? What’s gonna be next 16k in 6 months? 1080p hasn’t even been perfected or mainstream yet. Stop with the rushing. What is so hard about just making a damn TV. I already have a phone and don’t need a 55” smartphone
Especially when everything right now is geared towards 4k.

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By 2020, more than half of U.S. households are expected to have 4K-capable TVs
It use to be every 10 years before the next best format. The industry should have skipped 4k and waited a little longer for the 8k.
The average consumer is not going to drop 10k for a TV.
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this all sounds good, if they can put the same quality into a 65" 1080p display for under 3grand i'd consider it. what do you think my chances are? haha

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Critics everywhere, I tell ya! Awesome review on what appears to be an awesome set. Thanks.

Bodes well for the Q80r and especially the Q90r that has the same # of zones and tech at 4K.

Mark, can you give more impressions on motion and your ideas on why it's improved?
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One thing I would also like to know mark. You compared the local dimming to the Q9 from 2018 but how does this set compare to the Q900 8K set that had improved dimming over the Q9. Is this another step up. Did you feel the picture quality, dimming and blooming control was improved even over the Q900 from last year? Basically if you noticed even more advancement with there local dimming compared to the 2019 8K Q900.
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The biggest downsides are the price and first generation of 8k.

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Do we know if the Q900’s HDMI 2.1 ports support eARC?

Also, any idea of the built in YouTube app supports 8k playback (or is anticipated to be updated to do so)?

Last question (for now): Does this model come with the no gap wall mount, or does it need to be purchased separately?

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I am stating the facts and the other guy is just conjecture.

Fact: There is a chance OLED can or will burn in.

Fact: I don't accept the chance of burning in a $4,500 OLED TV.

Fact: Since OLED is not an option for me, I look at high end LCDs.

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the question becomes how much are these concerns exaggerated? i'm going to start by saying, it appears that lcd's HAVE made some progress and ARE starting to produce pretty solid blacks.

but, is burn in really something that the average user experiences? i question how much oleds burn in compared to plasma, and crt before it. is burn in a real issue, or a scare tactic? if i've used crt and plasma for the last 30yrs without any problems, what are the chances oled will cause burn in? on the flip side, how much does the average person actually notice screen uniformity issues. if you watch with the lights on, black levels don't even matter, practically. and who actually watches tv from a 45* angle? so talking about off-angle viewing is pretty petty as well. even if the 'fact' is oleds are better in that regard, you still have to ask, does that matter?

i think is both cases, there are a few people that have exceptional situations and overstate the problems because to THEM they are deal breakers. If you watch CNN 12hrs a day, or play the same game for 50hrs straight, then burn in might be a legitimate concern. If you watch in a light controlled room 100% of the time and love watching sci-fi space movies, or dark action thrillers, then clouding might be a deal breaker for you.

i think the problem is both end up being extremely frustrated because manufacturers don't often give us the improvements we want, they give us the improvements they can.

hey, i want better contrast, fix those black levels
-ok, here's a display with 4000nits, that'll do it, right?

i don't want to have to worry about burn in, i need more reliability
-here's a tv you can hang on the wall like a poster, cool right?

every time the scene pans the display turns into a mess of blurry shapes and colors, i want natural looking motion
-let's give you 8k resolution, more pixels will surely make things look better


to be clear, i am a very skeptical tv shopper. i'm not saying it can't be done, but the experiences i've had, i've been disappointed far more by lcd tv than any other tech i've tried. and a lot of the things that bothered me, they claimed to have fixed almost every year, and haven't. so, while it appears as though uniformity is being addressed, which was a huge deal breaker the last time i brought home an lcd, i will need to see it to believe it. i'm not really sold on oled either. i have lived with plasma for many years, and i can generally accept the 'extra care' that is advised with them. but i am always aware of it, it does get annoying. i am willing to put up with it, if it's necessary for a good picture, but i'm always hoping i can get a good picture without it. and to top it off, i'm not even sure that oled's uniformity is actually better than lcd's.

i can say that i really don't care for more resolution, a brighter image, or a thinner screen though. and it seems all of those things are expensive add-ons. I would certainly consider buying a 1080p oled if they were still available, as i would consider a 1080p lcd that had perfect uniformity and solid black levels. so, maybe i don't actually hate lcd, or hate oled. But i do hate some of the choices manufacturers are making.

at the end of the day no display is perfect, i'd argue no display is even close right now, if you're going to be picky.

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i would beg to differ. I think 4k has become more or less mainstream, if you are in the market for a new tv. Now if you already have an existing tv and aren't planning on buying one for a while that's one thing. But if you are in the market for a new tv it's not impossible but very difficult to find a 1080p tv, unless you are specifically ordering one in which case you have to hunt one down. For example lets say you go to bestbuy, you have to HUNT to find a 1080p set they are normally hidden off in a corner somewhere and you will almost never find one with decent features. You would probably have better luck trying to find a "dumb" tv. Even in the TV's under $500 there are more 4k sets available than 1080p or 720p. Now as far as 8K is concerned, IMO its a total waste of money, mainly due to the fact there is about a ZERO chance of ever seeing 8k disc based media, and frankly all streaming is sub standard compared to the disc based counterpart, they look pretty good but its not the same, unless you spring for something like Kaleidoscope or something like that.
for better or worse the display side is pretty far ahead of the content side, imo. 4k displays are pretty mainstream, 4k content is pretty niche

4k sources are available, but in no way would they be close to 50% of the market. with physical media decreasing and massive bottlenecks for streaming media(i mean, maybe you're getting 4k resolutions, but are you getting uncompressed UHD?) i really don't see content providers matching displays any time soon.

the thing is, i'm not really sure that's a bad thing. Upscaling 1080p to 4k, or 4k to 8k has a lot less negatives than upscaling 480p or 720p to 1080p did. And if displays can get even better with the scaling, at least in my neck of the woods, i'd get a lot more out of a display that can get the most out of a 1080p source.

don't get me wrong, i'm not paying 10grand for a tv because it's 8k. i'm not sure i'd pay an extra 10% to get 8k... but, i do believe, if the scalers are top notch, there is a some benefit to displays with a higher resolution than available content. and in real world, network bottlenecked situations, i don't think i can assume the best method. would getting a full BD quality 1080p source an upconverting it to 8k be better, or would getting a compressed 8k source be better? either way, it's going to be the bitrate that limits the quality, not the resolution, not the display.

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but, is burn in really something that the average user experiences? i question how much oleds burn in compared to plasma, cky.

Plasma also didnt do 800-900 nits/HDR. Plasma topped at what, 200nits or so?

This is 1 of the main reasons that Sony is ditching oled for their mastering monitors.


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"Desmet says, simply, that “for pro markets, the top-emission [high-brightness] type OLEDs that are used in the [Flanders Scientific] DM250s, the X300 from Sony, that tech is gone. The manufacturer has pulled out from even trying to make those. Top emission RGB OLED is not going to be around a year from now.” With brightness a sore point of OLED displays, HDR was always going to work them hard. “There were challenges,” Desmet continues. “They’re not that well suited for HDR. There’s a huge challenge with burn-in, lifespan.” A challenge indeed, given that displays using high-brightness OLED panels routinely push £30,000. 

Sony’s Daniel Dubreuil, product manager for professional monitors, describes the situation slightly differently, and points out some of the advantages that the BVM-HX310 enjoys as an LCD-based display. “The reason we decided to move that direction was that the new tech has an advantage over OLED. The new technology LCD can display 1000 NITs, but... on the X300 you can’t have the full-screen white at 1000 NITs. You can have 10% of the surface of the screen at 1000 NITs. When you grow that to full screen, you can have only 150 NITs. It’s to protect the panel.”

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$10k for 82"

Who is the target audience for this?

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If they claim that this is their best tv made by them to date, it damn better be for the price they are asking.

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$10k for 82"

Who is the target audience for this?

I won't presume to speak for anyone else, but they certainly have my attention.

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Do we know which panel this is being shown besides for the reflections? Because it sort of looks like the Q6F to me which would make for a lot less of an impressive comparison than if that were the Q8F which has vastly superior anti-glare.

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Mark, from what you've seen, do you think the TV suffers a reduction in static contrast like the Z9F, in order to improve viewing angles?
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Since when did Sony start supporting HDR10+? As I see it Sony is in the DV/HDR10 camp and Samsung is in the HDR10/+ camp. Choose your side.
I think HDR10+ and HDR is royalty free so no reason every tv manufacturer would not support it on newer tvs (even some older ones could get it if the manufacturer was nice). It is only Dolby Vision that at first required a special chip (more expensive), still requires royalties (cant blame then R&D costs $) but I think now can be activated software based but most still use the chip. Only reason HDR10+ came out was because HDR is lacking compared to dolby vision with dynamic metadata based on individual frames vs static for whole movie. If every manufacturer put Dolby Vision in, HDR10+ would go bye bye.
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Since when did Sony start supporting HDR10+? As I see it Sony is in the DV/HDR10 camp and Samsung is in the HDR10/+ camp. Choose your side.
He must not have gotten the memo that the Sony hdr10+ rumor was started by Vincent Teoh, who later retracted the rumor when he realized he mis-interpreted a documentation.
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