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Sony 75X780F vs Vizio P75-F1 With pictures!

I did it. They are set up side by side. This will take some time. Out of the box the Sony SMOKES the Vizio for clarity/motion/color accuracy. But in a few surprising things the Vizio is great. Peak brightness aside i was shocked to see how much better upscale 1080 looked on the P Series. HBOGo. There will be more. Including pics of i figure out how to attach them.

But this is a COSTCO showdown throw down! $1345 Sony vs $1599 Vizio.
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My 2 cents on the Vizio P-Series.

Ok. Well THAT was a long day and night.


Short version: The Sony 75X780F is still an exceptional TV and to do better, I need the X900F.


Long version: Lots of surprises here, but this turned out to be a contest between the top notch product of a lesser company (Vizio) featuring major FLAWS and half-baked features that just don't deliver vs a mid-level set with LIMITATIONS from a legendary dependable company (Sony).


Vizio P-Series


What it does right: It get's dark. REALLY dark. And it has peak brightness enough to achieve strong HDR performance in and out of Dolby Vision.


What it does painfully wrong: 1. The blooming around bright objects on dark scenes is like nothing I have ever seen. It's bad. Really bad and really distracting. 2. There are way too many scenarios where you actually see the local dimming move from square to square. It's not subtle. And for a TV costing this much, it is inexcusable. And yes, I adjusted all the settings and tried with many different options. No bueno. 3. In so many scenes with bright content, you see banding. The worst I've seen on any monitor/tv set. I tried multiple sources, multiple resolutions, multiple settings. Nothing got rid of it completely.



For hours and hours, in light, then in the dark, I played the same content on both sets and compared. But to say the Sony (with no local dimming and no Dolby Vision) 'held its own' would be a gross understatement. It remains an incredible set where all content looks fantastic. In the dark scenes, it won't get as dark as the Vizio, or an OLED. But there are no errors to speak of with the Sony. No blooming, no banding, no backlight zones dancing around the screen. I didn't expect the results I saw. BUT at the end of the day: I can live with a TV set with exceptional performance and picture that just doesn't get as dark as I would like. But that Vizio is just garbage in comparison.
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But that Vizio is just garbage in comparison.
Thus endeth the lesson.
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Ok. Well THAT was a long day and night.


Short version: The Sony 75X780F is still an exceptional TV and to do better, I need the X900F.


Long version: Lots of surprises here, but this turned out to be a contest between the top notch product of a lesser company (Vizio) featuring major FLAWS and half-baked features that just don't deliver vs a mid-level set with LIMITATIONS from a legendary dependable company (Sony).


Vizio P-Series


What it does right: It get's dark. REALLY dark. And it has peak brightness enough to achieve strong HDR performance in and out of Dolby Vision.


What it does painfully wrong: 1. The blooming around bright objects on dark scenes is like nothing I have ever seen. It's bad. Really bad and really distracting. 2. There are way too many scenarios where you actually see the local dimming move from square to square. It's not subtle. And for a TV costing this much, it is inexcusable. And yes, I adjusted all the settings and tried with many different options. No bueno. 3. In so many scenes with bright content, you see banding. The worst I've seen on any monitor/tv set. I tried multiple sources, multiple resolutions, multiple settings. Nothing got rid of it completely.



For hours and hours, in light, then in the dark, I played the same content on both sets and compared. But to say the Sony (with no local dimming and no Dolby Vision) 'held its own' would be a gross understatement. It remains an incredible set where all content looks fantastic. In the dark scenes, it won't get as dark as the Vizio, or an OLED. But there are no errors to speak of with the Sony. No blooming, no banding, no backlight zones dancing around the screen. I didn't expect the results I saw. BUT at the end of the day: I can live with a TV set with exceptional performance and picture that just doesn't get as dark as I would like. But that Vizio is just garbage in comparison.
You compared and judged a TV with no local dimming to one that has it (and FALD at that), current tech that has inherent benefits and downsides regardless of brand application.
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It's a $1,500 75" TV. Comparable Sony's and Samsung's are $500+ more.

The banding is a huge issue though in my opinion.

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People rave about the Vizio. Reviewers rave about the Vizio. Seems like fraud. For CNET. And other reviewers that gave it such high marks.
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People rave about the Vizio. Reviewers rave about the Vizio. Seems like fraud. For CNET. And other reviewers that gave it such high marks.


I think “fraud” is a bit harsh. Reviewers and owners rave about them for a reason. I imagine that reviewers have a different methodology than yours in order to reach their conclusions. There are plenty of happy P-Series owners that don’t feel, and shouldn’t defrauded imo.

I love Sony, it has always been my go to brand, but l have owned Vizio and still do and have always had a great experience with their products and until TCL came along with the 6 Series, thought they were the value leader.
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Ok. Well THAT was a long day and night.


Short version: The Sony 75X780F is still an exceptional TV and to do better, I need the X900F.


Long version: Lots of surprises here, but this turned out to be a contest between the top notch product of a lesser company (Vizio) featuring major FLAWS and half-baked features that just don't deliver vs a mid-level set with LIMITATIONS from a legendary dependable company (Sony).


Vizio P-Series


What it does right: It get's dark. REALLY dark. And it has peak brightness enough to achieve strong HDR performance in and out of Dolby Vision.


What it does painfully wrong: 1. The blooming around bright objects on dark scenes is like nothing I have ever seen. It's bad. Really bad and really distracting. 2. There are way too many scenarios where you actually see the local dimming move from square to square. It's not subtle. And for a TV costing this much, it is inexcusable. And yes, I adjusted all the settings and tried with many different options. No bueno. 3. In so many scenes with bright content, you see banding. The worst I've seen on any monitor/tv set. I tried multiple sources, multiple resolutions, multiple settings. Nothing got rid of it completely.



For hours and hours, in light, then in the dark, I played the same content on both sets and compared. But to say the Sony (with no local dimming and no Dolby Vision) 'held its own' would be a gross understatement. It remains an incredible set where all content looks fantastic. In the dark scenes, it won't get as dark as the Vizio, or an OLED. But there are no errors to speak of with the Sony. No blooming, no banding, no backlight zones dancing around the screen. I didn't expect the results I saw. BUT at the end of the day: I can live with a TV set with exceptional performance and picture that just doesn't get as dark as I would like. But that Vizio is just garbage in comparison.
Can you confirm whether the Sony is IPS or VA, have seen reports of both. Thanks

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Would be really helpful to divulge which tv is which in the pictures

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Most people agreed the pics were irrelevant. Both TVs are great for different reasons. I had an 82” Q6 for a while but it broke. Samsung refunded it so i bought a P-75 on closeout. If the issues are still there I will work with vizio support to exchange for a 2019 model.

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Hi--which picture is which?
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Hi--which picture is which?
Vizio on left, Sony on right.
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And the easiest one to see that on is the night shot.

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Vizio on left, Sony on right.
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