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When i hit info on remote it says 3480x2160/60 input signal plus uhd hdr.
Does this just mean it enabled? Because it says this even when playing sdr cable 720p content?

I also noticed as i was messing with some xbox settings the info changed to 720, even when i was playing 4k game and settingscwere to enable 4k and 4k was the resolution?
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Forbes reviewed the 82" Q900 and claims that it bests the Q90 "The Best QLED TV Yet" (https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarc...5f6a3c2f2102):

"Actually, you could even argue that the Q900RBs not having the dedicated dimming chip of the Q90Rs is a positive rather than a negative, as the 8K model retains more shadow detail in its darkest areas than Samsung’s new 4K flagship. Though this improved shadow detailing could also be down to the extra few hundred nits of brightness the 82Q900RB provides over the Q90Rs."

But the Forbes' reviewer had previously interacted with the 65" Q90.... So who knows how the 82" Q90 compares to the 82" Q900

Even Mark here at AVS claims the 82" Q900 to be "Samsung's Best TV Ever" (https://www.avsforum.com/82-q900-8k-...-best-tv-ever/)

This is where I'm truly lost on what to do with regard to the Q900 vs Q90. It seems that the larger panels are different beasts with regard to peak brightness/contrast, so the review in favor of the Q90 from rtings could be an artifact of the smaller panel size. At the end of the day I probably just need to man up and pull the trigger one way or the other haha
Rtings is FAR more reliable than those other 2 reviewers you quoted. Plus, if you’ve read through both owners threads here at AVS, it’s fairly easy to determine which of the 2 is the better set imo.
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When i hit info on remote it says 3480x2160/60 input signal plus uhd hdr.
Does this just mean it enabled? Because it says this even when playing sdr cable 720p content?

I also noticed as i was messing with some xbox settings the info changed to 720, even when i was playing 4k game and settingscwere to enable 4k and 4k was the resolution?
Good catch. I noticed the same thing when I was watching 720P stuff as well.

I know if you go to the Source button, if it says Standard HDR , then you are in HDR.
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So you’re saying that Plex cannot use Direct Play for 4K but is forced to transcode everything? Does this only pertain to the Plex app on the Q90R or is this everywhere?


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Don't quote me, but from what I understand and have experienced, Plex cannot Direct Play 4K files and will transcode. When I did try it "Interstellar" Remux file, it was insanely dim and stuttering all over the place. However, Plex is working on a "new player" that you need Plex Pass to use that will allow direct play. Plex Pass is $75.

Edit: This is NOT everywhere, might be an apple tv 4K plex issue. Unsure.

Infuse 6 just works, plain and simple.
I have researched this quite thoroughly and Infuse is the best way for many reasons if you want to play Plex content on an Apple TV. I have Plex pass and have tried the new experimental video player and in short, it sucks. It’s based on mpv which is good in theory but the problem is that Plex have lost their main mpv guy so development is non existent. Infuse on the other hand is updated all the time and they want to get things right.

So don’t buy Plex pass. Put that money on infuse instead and use the free Plex server.

And Infuse looks great on my 55” Q90R 🙂
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To see what input your tv is showing just press the home button and navigate left until you come to settings then look up in your quick settings and in the circle on picture mode it will display if you are displaying HDR content. If nothing there its in SDR, if HDR10 content is being played it will display HDR, and in HDR10+ content it will display HDR10+ you can try the HDR10+ out on Amazon Prime if you have it as all there 4k content is now in HDR10+ Try The Grand Tour in UHD and follow the steps above to display what your TV is showing. If your TV is not displaying HDR or HDR10+ when watching any HDR content then your TV is not set up correctly. Hope this helps. Ive had 65'' Q90R a little over 2 weeks now and i love it. I exchanged it for the C8 which i had about 4 months but hated it. All the picture settings on the C8 but it didnt matter the C8 done whatever it wanted to, if watching something bright or with a logo on it the TV said to itself nah thats not good for my panel so im going to dim you and theres nothing you can do about it. Q90R lets you control the TV not the other way around. I have had the Q90R calibrated and it made a great difference on the colours and motion, would recommend getting calibrated as i would never have got the colours correct with just the user menu and no equipment.
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To see what input your tv is showing just press the home button and navigate left until you come to settings then look up in your quick settings and in the circle on picture mode it will display if you are displaying HDR content. If nothing there its in SDR, if HDR10 content is being played it will display HDR, and in HDR10+ content it will display HDR10+ you can try the HDR10+ out on Amazon Prime if you have it as all there 4k content is now in HDR10+ Try The Grand Tour in UHD and follow the steps above to display what your TV is showing. If your TV is not displaying HDR or HDR10+ when watching any HDR content then your TV is not set up correctly. Hope this helps. Ive had 65'' Q90R a little over 2 weeks now and i love it. I exchanged it for the C8 which i had about 4 months but hated it. All the picture settings on the C8 but it didnt matter the C8 done whatever it wanted to, if watching something bright or with a logo on it the TV said to itself nah thats not good for my panel so im going to dim you and theres nothing you can do about it. Q90R lets you control the TV not the other way around. I have had the Q90R calibrated and it made a great difference on the colours and motion, would recommend getting calibrated as i would never have got the colours correct with just the user menu and no equipment.
What picture mode did you get calibrated? I must admit I like the extra pop of Standard mode, even though I know deep insisde I should be using Movie mode as that is more accurate
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I might have to take a closer look at Standard mode for SDR content. I did briefly look at it when I fired up the set for the first time, but I though it looked a bit unnatural, almost Q9FN like, so I quickly switched to Movie mode.
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This is where I'm truly lost on what to do with regard to the Q900 vs Q90. It seems that the larger panels are different beasts with regard to peak brightness/contrast, so the review in favor of the Q90 from rtings could be an artifact of the smaller panel size. At the end of the day I probably just need to man up and pull the trigger one way or the other haha
Does not matter what anyone else says, whether they are a pro or not. The end user decides what is good or bad. On the street prices are 25-35% higher for the 900R, you getting a 25-35% better picture?

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Rtings is FAR more reliable than those other 2 reviewers you quoted. Plus, if you’ve read through both owners threads here at AVS, it’s fairly easy to determine which of the 2 is the better set imo.
Especialy one being such a short read...... AVS users have spoken .... lol
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Here's a very comprehensive article about the strategies of Samsung and LG. I include it here as a reference for us Q90R owners. Reading it increased my confidence that I made the right choice with a Samsung TV, this particular model and this year.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/fear-a...arket-squeeze/
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Wow, just watched his full review on this TV, excellent review, agree with everything he noted. I do see the vignetting he is talking about mostly only on very bright scenes on the 82Q90R. Especially ones with bright white, white and grey, near the edges. I only notice it when I am being OCD though.

I hope Samsung continues to refine this TV to make it even better.

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I might have to take a closer look at Standard mode for SDR content. I did briefly look at it when I fired up the set for the first time, but I though it looked a bit unnatural, almost Q9FN like, so I quickly switched to Movie mode.
I am in Standard currently based on @Slickman settings, not sure if I liked it better over Movie but will use it for now.

Slickman, you still using Standard over Movie?

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Wow, just watched his full review on this TV, excellent review, agree with everything he noted. I do see the vignetting he is talking about mostly only on very bright scenes on the 82Q90R. Especially ones with bright white, white and grey, near the edges. I only notice it when I am being OCD though.

I hope Samsung continues to refine this TV to make it even better.



I am in Standard currently based on @Slickman settings, not sure if I liked it better over Movie but will use it for now.

Slickman, you still using Standard over Movie?
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Wow, just watched his full review on this TV, excellent review, agree with everything he noted. I do see the vignetting he is talking about mostly only on very bright scenes on the 82Q90R. Especially ones with bright white, white and grey, near the edges. I only notice it when I am being OCD though.

I hope Samsung continues to refine this TV to make it even better.



I am in Standard currently based on @Slickman settings, not sure if I liked it better over Movie but will use it for now.

Slickman, you still using Standard over Movie?
Yes I use Standard for SDR and HDR still. With the last update HDR was improved alot on all modes but I still prefer Standard. For really bright movies like for instance Aquaman, I prefer Contrast Enhancer Off for HDR with the newest firmware. For game mode HDR for most games now I use my settings under the "Game Enhancer" button with Contrast Enhancer off and set Dynamic Black Equalizer at 1. I compared CE off with brightness set to 1 to CE off with dynamic black equalizer set to 1 and the image looks better using DBE than it does using the brightness setting. I kind of wish the tv had a DBE setting for non game mode.
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I might have to take a closer look at Standard mode for SDR content. I did briefly look at it when I fired up the set for the first time, but I though it looked a bit unnatural, almost Q9FN like, so I quickly switched to Movie mode.
For sdr standard mode: Turn the color slider down 5 notches from where you have it on movie mode. Lower the contrast to 41-45. Set local dimming to high, lower the gamma one or two clicks. Make sure contrast enhancer is turned OFF.

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I got to see the X-wide (albeit on a 950G) yesterday and there is no way I will be able to handle the reflections in my room with that technology. So the Z9F and 950G are out because of that. Now to decide if I want a Q90R (with excellent reflection handling) and deal with its individual shortcomings or just wait another year.
The first line in the Z9F reflection rating at rtings.com says it all: "Excellent reflection handling, but slightly worse than the Z9D." My 2014 Samsung HU9000 handles reflections better than my 2016 Z9D (the curve helps), but neither is even close to the top Samsung models from even 3 years ago. I humbly suggest you keep an eye on this thread and judge for yourself if you feel Samsung has effectively addressed your concerns through firmware updates by the time you need to make a decision. You will also inevitably save some money with this strategy, as well as getting a more refined product (hopefully 🤞).
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I bought the Squaretrade warranty through Costco. Much cheaper than getting the one directly through Samsung.
Same! $100 from costco was a no brainer
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For sdr standard mode: Turn the color slider down 5 notches from where you have it on movie mode. Lower the contrast to 41-45. Set local dimming to high, lower the gamma one or two clicks. Make sure contrast enhancer is turned OFF.

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can I ask what settings you are using as well? For sdr and HDR?

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Same! $100 from costco was a no brainer
I might have to snag it, $100 to cover $3200, not bad


Side question: What is the general consensus on motion controls? Turn all of them off, on low, etc?

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What an amazing looking game in HDR on the 82" Q90R.

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Uncharted 4, looks stunning on the Q90R. It's one of things I've seen in HDR period. I'm using my "Alternate HDR Game Mode" settings with this game.
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Q900 vs Q90 Best Buy Viewing Impressions

For anyone that's been following along in my debate between the 82" Q900 vs Q90, I took a trip out to my local Best Buy tonight after work. They have an 82/75" Q900 and two 65" Q90 on display. The 75" Q900 was in the Magnolia center and the 82" Q900 was on "the wall" outside with majority of the other TVs.

I started at the wall where the viewing environment had very high ambient light and the content was the typical Samsung footage with video game footage inter-spliced. The sets were very close in performance. My viewing distance was 4-5ft away. The 82" Q900 appeared to have a slightly clearer picture and had deeper blacks. The 65" Q90 had better shadow detail. An example was the video game footage of Fallout 76 where a guy was putting on a mech glove. On the Q900 the glove was very dark, on the Q90 the glove was lighter but details were now visible on the glove (rivets/fittings etc.) that the Q900 didn't display. Brightness and colors on both displays appeared to be equal. The content/environment was not sufficient to make any comments about local dimming capability.

At this time a Best Buy employee walked over and asked me if I had any content I wanted to view. I was upfront with him and told him that I had no intention of buying from him as I could get a better deal through Samsung and I didn't want to waste his time. He told me it was slow, there was no one else around and that he would rather shoot the **** with me than walk aimlessly. I welcomed the company and continued the evaluation. Unfortunately he wasn't very knowledgeable about TVs in general. I taught him a bit about the two sets and how the Q90 had a dedicated local dimming chip whereas the Q900 didn't. I inquired if he knew if the lack of dedicated dimming chip in the Q900 was because the 8K chip was more powerful than the 4K, he had no answer. For those interested Samsung lists both the 8K and 4K chip set as quad core for what its worth. He was dead set in his view that the Q900 had superior blacks because of the greater number of dimming zones. I tried to break it to him softly that all the TVs ,independent of size, had 480 zones. He responded that only Samsung knew the true count and people only had a rough idea from opening up sets. He then lost any shred of credibility that he had remaining when he told me that I should get an OLED. I explained that I didn't want to deal with burn-in and that I had a bright room so the luminance of LED was necessary. His reply was that OLED are just as bright as LED

I stopped my technical talk with him and he said he would help pull up some content in the Magnolia viewing area. Here the 75" Q900 was set-up on on a stand and the 65" Q90 was on a different wall; there was no way to directly compare them. He turned down all the lights and we watched a clip from Gravity. We started on the 75" Q900. Immediately I could tell the motion interpolation was jacked up on the Q900 and asked him to turn it off. I believe this was the scene from the beginning of the movie where Bullock and Clooney are making a repair prior to debris hitting them. Their spacesuits were very bright and over-saturated, loosing detail. The spaceship had a terrible halo surrounding it, it actually looked like it had a glowing aura. So much so I went back on my computer just now to verify that it wasn't actually supposed to be there, it wasn't. I attached an image with arrows pointing to where the halo extended to on the Q900 (this is not an actual picture of the content displayed on the Q900). The Q900 just couldn't handle the very bright spaceship edge against the blackness of space. There was not much more I could say, I wasn't impressed at all. I don't think this is completely the Q900's fault, it was very poorly calibrated/set-up.

We moved to the 65" Q90 and replayed the same scene. The Q90 was set-up much darker than the Q900, I would say 50% less bright. Despite the lower brightness the halo was still present at the edge of the space shuttle. Although less egregious than the Q900 it was surprisingly large for how low the brightness was set. The Q90 didn't do much for me here either, again likely settings related.

I don't really think I took away much valuable information from the trip (given the state of both TV's calibration) aside from the fact that the Q900 had a marginally clearer picture. Keep in mind these were comparing the larger 8K panels to a 65" 4K. Comparing an 82" 8K to an 82" 4K the difference in clarity may have been more appreciable. Nevertheless the trip still had value! I found out through talking with the Best Buy employee that ISF 4K calibrations were on sale for $200 (normally $600), which I found to be a good value and purchased. At this point I am leaning toward making the 82" Q90 purchase knowing that I will get a 33% refund in 2 years when I can upgrade to an 8K set after Samsung perfects the technology.

UPDATE

Holy hell. After writing this I went over to Samsung to purchase the 82" Q90 and the employee discount significantly increased from the past few weeks, it nearly doubled! If you were on the fence and have access to the student discount (need .edu email) or employee discount program I would take another look ASAP. I figured I would check on the Q900 82" discount status and it also increased, so much so that with the bonus $1000 gift card thrown in on the Q900 purchase the difference in price between the Q90 and Q900 was only $60/month for me. With such a small difference I took a flyer on the Q900, delivery set for 5/28
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This doesn't even look like a video game, wow! It looks even better in person too.

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OMG! The PQ of this TV is Amazing.
I saw The Grand Tour on Amazon Prime on 4K HDR. Impressive.
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Holy hell. After writing this I went over to Samsung to purchase the 82" Q90 and the employee discount significantly increased from the past few weeks, it nearly doubled! If you were on the fence and have access to the student discount (need .edu email) or employee discount program I would take another look ASAP. I figured I would check on the Q900 82" discount status and it also increased, so much so that with the bonus $1000 gift card thrown in on the Q900 purchase the difference in price between the Q90 and Q900 was only $60/month for me. With such a small difference I took a flyer on the Q900, delivery set for 5/28
Reading this made my day! I am not planning to buy until early July, but the 82” Q90 is getting more and more attractive!
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Reading this made my day! I am not planning to buy until early July, but the 82” Q90 is getting more and more attractive!


I wonder how much cheaper they will get with the Samsung discount program. I bought this tv at launch on an impulse when I found out my job was part of the EPP. I wasn’t sure how long the discount would last. I should’ve waited one more month! (Or longer)


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Reading this made my day! I am not planning to buy until early July, but the 82” Q90 is getting more and more attractive!
I know, right? Had I bought last week I would have been out a significant amount of money. Crazy, I had no idea the employee/student discounts fluctuated like that.
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