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I had movie calibrated to night and standard to day. I really just leave it in movie 'night' mode as when you get used to it which only takes a few hours changing to another mode makes the picture look unnatural. After calibration it showed just how wrong i had the picture settings, but having said that i would never have got close to correct picture and motion on my own. Was worth every penny. Just give a calibrated screen a chance, watch it for a few hours and you will get it.
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The first line in the Z9F reflection rating at rtings.com says it all: "Excellent reflection handling, but slightly worse than the Z9D." My 2014 Samsung HU9000 handles reflections better than my 2016 Z9D (the curve helps), but neither is even close to the top Samsung models from even 3 years ago. I humbly suggest you keep an eye on this thread and judge for yourself if you feel Samsung has effectively addressed your concerns through firmware updates by the time you need to make a decision. You will also inevitably save some money with this strategy, as well as getting a more refined product (hopefully 🤞).

I don't care terribly about DV. Not giving us eARC is puzzling and aggravating, though. I still think Samsung motion is slightly.... off. My biggest concern is with the blue edge tint, high EOTF curve and the vignetting. Those last two could absolutely be addressed via firmware. I just don't know if they will. I wonder if the blue tint is something I would actually notice and be bothered with in real use.
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The spaceship had a terrible halo surrounding it, it actually looked like it had a glowing aura. So much so I went back on my computer just now to verify that it wasn't actually supposed to be there, it wasn't. I attached an image with arrows pointing to where the halo extended to on the Q900 (this is not an actual picture of the content displayed on the Q900). The Q900 just couldn't handle the very bright spaceship edge against the blackness of space.
That seems like a good scene for looking at halos/blooming. Rtings didn't put any examples in the Q90 review, but they did put similar examples in their Q900 review. Their Q900 measured with a lower native contrast than their Q90, so this sort of thing might be more pronounced on the Q900.

The TVs in the top row here have more pronounced halos around the text than the bottom row, although Z9F owners indicate settings might influence this result for SDR.
https://www.rtings.com/images/review...on-2-large.jpg

The light at the top of the screen here lightens the black bar most on the Z9F, but the Q900 also has a lighter spot in the top black bar than the TVs in the bottom row.
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I had movie calibrated to night and standard to day. I really just leave it in movie 'night' mode as when you get used to it which only takes a few hours changing to another mode makes the picture look unnatural. After calibration it showed just how wrong i had the picture settings, but having said that i would never have got close to correct picture and motion on my own. Was worth every penny. Just give a calibrated screen a chance, watch it for a few hours and you will get it.
Would you mind sharing your settings?




Also, what hardware/tool did you use to calibrate your tv?




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Frustration with PQ vs ATMOS

Well, after fiddling around as much as I can, with my limited understanding I humbly admit, I am a bit frustrated with the lack of support for eARC.

If I use the xbox one x to stream (thru Denon AVR), I cannot get the full HDR10+ image quality but I get the full dolby atmos sound (and lose pictuer per input settings).

If I use the TV's built in apps with ARC for sound to receiver, I get the HDR10+ image, but not full channel count/resolution via DD+ sound format (but have picture per input settings).

It's frustrating that I can't use the full potential of the TV or sound depending on which way I start the chain.

I go the q90r because of my viewing habits I have a fear of burn in with oled but for a flagship 2019 tv, it's a serious issue IMO to have to choose between sound or picture.

Hopefully someone can point out something I might have overlooked or don't understand to make it work... if not, then
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Here's a very comprehensive article about the strategies of Samsung and LG. I include it here as a reference for us Q90R owners. Reading it increased my confidence that I made the right choice with a Samsung TV, this particular model and this year.
Besides "hopefully" the Z9G coming soon, there is no other LED that will compete with the Q90R right now.
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That seems like a good scene for looking at halos/blooming. Rtings didn't put any examples in the Q90 review, but they did put similar examples in their Q900 review. Their Q900 measured with a lower native contrast than their Q90, so this sort of thing might be more pronounced on the Q900.

The TVs in the top row here have more pronounced halos around the text than the bottom row, although Z9F owners indicate settings might influence this result for SDR.
https://www.rtings.com/images/review...on-2-large.jpg

The light at the top of the screen here lightens the black bar most on the Z9F, but the Q900 also has a lighter spot in the top black bar than the TVs in the bottom row.
https://www.rtings.com/images/review...on-4-large.jpg
I'm hoping the performance will improve with time as they release firmware updates to the dimming algorithm. In the example I posted previously although the spaceship was egregious, the white spacesuits didn't seem to suffer in the scenes following when they were illuminated by the sun and were equally bright. The sets were so incredibly poorly calibrated, it was very difficult to evaluate.
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Well, after fiddling around as much as I can, with my limited understanding I humbly admit, I am a bit frustrated with the lack of support for eARC.

If I use the xbox one x to stream (thru Denon AVR), I cannot get the full HDR10+ image quality but I get the full dolby atmos sound (and lose pictuer per input settings).

If I use the TV's built in apps with ARC for sound to receiver, I get the HDR10+ image, but not full channel count/resolution via DD+ sound format (but have picture per input settings).

It's frustrating that I can't use the full potential of the TV or sound depending on which way I start the chain.

I go the q90r because of my viewing habits I have a fear of burn in with oled but for a flagship 2019 tv, it's a serious issue IMO to have to choose between sound or picture.

Hopefully someone can point out something I might have overlooked or don't understand to make it work... if not, then
You didn't overlook anything, that pretty much explains the situation right now. I would call them and make your frustrations known -- the more dissatisfaction they hear, hopefully they will get to the 'promised' update sooner rather than later.
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Well, after fiddling around as much as I can, with my limited understanding I humbly admit, I am a bit frustrated with the lack of support for eARC.

If I use the xbox one x to stream (thru Denon AVR), I cannot get the full HDR10+ image quality but I get the full dolby atmos sound (and lose pictuer per input settings).

If I use the TV's built in apps with ARC for sound to receiver, I get the HDR10+ image, but not full channel count/resolution via DD+ sound format (but have picture per input settings).

It's frustrating that I can't use the full potential of the TV or sound depending on which way I start the chain.

I go the q90r because of my viewing habits I have a fear of burn in with oled but for a flagship 2019 tv, it's a serious issue IMO to have to choose between sound or picture.

Hopefully someone can point out something I might have overlooked or don't understand to make it work... if not, then
i am in same boat, very disappointed with lack of earc, especially since 2-3 year old avr's are being updated with it. Even more frustrating is the Samsung guy who said that they felt we dont need earc
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Well, after fiddling around as much as I can, with my limited understanding I humbly admit, I am a bit frustrated with the lack of support for eARC.



If I use the xbox one x to stream (thru Denon AVR), I cannot get the full HDR10+ image quality but I get the full dolby atmos sound (and lose pictuer per input settings).



If I use the TV's built in apps with ARC for sound to receiver, I get the HDR10+ image, but not full channel count/resolution via DD+ sound format (but have picture per input settings).



It's frustrating that I can't use the full potential of the TV or sound depending on which way I start the chain.



I go the q90r because of my viewing habits I have a fear of burn in with oled but for a flagship 2019 tv, it's a serious issue IMO to have to choose between sound or picture.



Hopefully someone can point out something I might have overlooked or don't understand to make it work... if not, then


I’m confused...which apps are streaming higher resolution than DD+? I’m not aware of any that are and vanilla ARC should pass Atmos via DD+ no problem.

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Well, after fiddling around as much as I can, with my limited understanding I humbly admit, I am a bit frustrated with the lack of support for eARC.



If I use the xbox one x to stream (thru Denon AVR), I cannot get the full HDR10+ image quality but I get the full dolby atmos sound (and lose pictuer per input settings).



If I use the TV's built in apps with ARC for sound to receiver, I get the HDR10+ image, but not full channel count/resolution via DD+ sound format (but have picture per input settings).



It's frustrating that I can't use the full potential of the TV or sound depending on which way I start the chain.



I go the q90r because of my viewing habits I have a fear of burn in with oled but for a flagship 2019 tv, it's a serious issue IMO to have to choose between sound or picture.



Hopefully someone can point out something I might have overlooked or don't understand to make it work... if not, then <img src="https://www.avsforum.com/forum/images/AVSForum/smilies/tango_face_sad.png" border="0" alt="" title="Frown" class="inlineimg" />


I’m confused...which apps are streaming higher resolution than DD+? I’m not aware of any that are and vanilla ARC should pass Atmos via DD+ no problem.
my issue is with xbox use. To use the gaming features u must connect to tv, to use pcm/atmos thru xbox u must connet to avr. Earc would allow both instead of having to choose
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Here is another glowing review. I like that they show a compressed cable TV game of thrones clip to showcase this TV's stellar upscaling capabilities.


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2019 Samsung Q90R Owners Thread (No Price Talk)

I’m assuming you’ve tried Atmos from Xbox One via ARC @Mike Wheaton ?

Do Xbox games normally include the full TrueHD lossless track?

I’m thinking ARC could work if it was only a lossy DD+ version.

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I’m confused...which apps are streaming higher resolution than DD+? I’m not aware of any that are and vanilla ARC should pass Atmos via DD+ no problem.
Well I might not have explained properly, but the big advantage (to me at least) to plugging things directly into the TV is that you can have different image settings for each input and the settings switch automatically when you select an in put on the TV.

If I have a thing plugged into HDMI 4 on the TV (example: a NAS) then I can have specific settings for it.
If I have something else plugged into HDMI 3 on the TV (example: blu ray player) then I can have specific settings for it.
Etc.

On my NAS i have media with full uncompressed dolby atmos but it won't work since only DD+ is supported. I have to plug that into my AVR to get the full sound, thus loosing customization for image settings. Then, I also need to plug my blu ray on the receiver or no uncompressed atmos. So now, my NAS and blu ray have to share the same image settings or i have to fiddle manually to switch stuff around in the tv menu depending on the source.

So it's not just netflix/amazon (which are currently in DD+ indeed), it's all other sources.

I'm also having (probably unrelated but frustrating nonetheless) issues with lip synchronization with my Bell Fibe 4K cable box. If I put it in PCM, i have no issues but it's only stereo... and the TV doesn't switch to DD+ automatically when i launch netflix app. If I put it on DD, the voice isn't synchronized with the image (but it switches to DD+ correctly now when launching netflix)... The setting for delay on the TV won't go negative and my video is ahead of the sound for some reason.

I know the last part might be specific to my setup (I have a denon x4500h, 5.2.4, xbox one x, q90r, bell fibe 4k) all premium hdmi cables, etc. but the first part basically negates having multiple input setttings...

Bottom line, i can't get max sound and max video without sacrificing the ability to have multiple image settings.

(Sorry english isn't my first language, trying my best). Note however, that since I ruled out OLED for fear of burn in with my viewing habits, I'm not trying to say this TV isn't amazing, it is... just saying paying 4k$+tax (canadian) and they can't put 50$ more for hdmi connectors in 2019 is argh... especially since LG is all 2.1.
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I’m assuming you’ve tried Atmos from Xbox One via ARC @Mike Wheaton ?

Do Xbox games normally include the full TrueHD lossless track?

I’m thinking ARC could work if it was only a lossy DD+ version.
yes i switch back n forth every few weeks lol. Xbox atmos games are true hd not lossy, though there are only a few that are atmos at the moment. But i also like the option of sending 7.1 pcm and let my receiver upmix (i have 7.1.4 setup). Also xbox has a future update that will upmix all games to atmos in future.
So what i have done is run hdmi cords to tv and to receiver, so i i can just switch hdmi on my xbox if i want to watch a bluray with atmos or play with atmos/pcm or switch back so i can use gaming features (which is what i choose 90% of the time)
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yes i switch back n forth every few weeks lol. Xbox atmos games are true hd not lossy, though there are only a few that are atmos at the moment. But i also like the option of sending 7.1 pcm and let my receiver upmix (i have 7.1.4 setup). Also xbox has a future update that will upmix all games to atmos in future.
So what i have done is run hdmi cords to tv and to receiver, so i i can just switch hdmi on my xbox if i want to watch a bluray with atmos or play with atmos/pcm or switch back so i can use gaming features (which is what i choose 90% of the time)


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SOLD!!!!

82" Q90R to be delivered on the 29th. Almost went with the 82" 8K, but reviews are no where as good as the 90R so it was a pretty simple decision. Purchased from Samsung.com with the 4 year samsung warranty. Can't wait to game and enjoy the cinema at home. Previous model was the KS9800 which was an amazing TV but time for the newest and greatest.

Thanks to all the owners here that provided the feedback. AND WHY THIS THREAD HAS NO TALKING ABOUT PRICES. JUST bs.... If there's a great deal somewhere then share it, we're hear to help each other out. With that said. If you can find a way to buy it with an employee discount or college edu discount, it's well worth the effort.

Talk to you guys soon.
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yes i switch back n forth every few weeks lol. Xbox atmos games are true hd not lossy, though there are only a few that are atmos at the moment. But i also like the option of sending 7.1 pcm and let my receiver upmix (i have 7.1.4 setup). Also xbox has a future update that will upmix all games to atmos in future.
So what i have done is run hdmi cords to tv and to receiver, so i i can just switch hdmi on my xbox if i want to watch a bluray with atmos or play with atmos/pcm or switch back so i can use gaming features (which is what i choose 90% of the time)


For clarification Xbox Atmos games are sent as PCM, not TrueHD [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif[/IMG]


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are you sure? Not doubting you, i was led to beleive otherwise, however i cant find confirmation either way
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are you sure? Not doubting you, i was led to beleive otherwise, however i cant find confirmation either way

The Xbox (and Apple.TV for that matter) pass Atmos via Dolby PCM MAT (UHD/BR still passes as bitstream DD+/TrueHD.)

it’s a new format that allows them to also add in system sounds, Siri or Google voice, etc on top of underlying Atmos content....

You cannot real time encode anything into Dolby TrueHD.. it isn’t a real time process (same goes for DTS HD MA...).

I’ve come around to the benefits for eARC in some use cases and it is truly a shame that Samsung hasn’t included it yet.

It’s the only thing holding me back from a Q90... I have an eARC AVR and would love to get the best out of my XBox One X... if/when they add it I’ll reconsider . Since LG now has 2.1 ports (with eARC)on their x9 series OLEDs, as well as newer Somy products, I would bet that next years sets will catch up...
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SOLD!!!!

82" Q90R to be delivered on the 29th. Almost went with the 82" 8K, but reviews are no where as good as the 90R so it was a pretty simple decision. Purchased from Samsung.com with the 4 year samsung warranty. Can't wait to game and enjoy the cinema at home. Previous model was the KS9800 which was an amazing TV but time for the newest and greatest.

Thanks to all the owners here that provided the feedback. AND WHY THIS THREAD HAS NO TALKING ABOUT PRICES. JUST bs.... If there's a great deal somewhere then share it, we're hear to help each other out. With that said. If you can find a way to buy it with an employee discount or college edu discount, it's well worth the effort.

Talk to you guys soon.
Congrats, you won't be disappointed the 82" panels really are stellar. Also while the Q900R is brighter than the Q90R on a 2% window, the Q90R is brighter than the Q900R on 10%, 25%, 50%, and 100% windows!

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are you sure? Not doubting you, i was led to beleive otherwise, however i cant find confirmation either way

The Xbox (and Apple.TV for that matter) pass Atmos via Dolby PCM MAT (UHD/BR still passes as bitstream DD+/TrueHD.)

it’s a new format that allows them to also add in system sounds, Siri or Google voice, etc on top of underlying Atmos content....

You cannot real time encode anything into Dolby TrueHD.. it isn’t a real time process (same goes for DTS HD MA...).

I’ve come around to the benefits for eARC in some use cases and it is truly a shame that Samsung hasn’t included it yet.

It’s the only thing holding me back from a Q90... I have an eARC AVR and would love to get the best out of my XBox One X... if/when they add it I’ll reconsider [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]. Since LG now has 2.1 ports (with eARC)on their x9 series OLEDs, as well as newer Somy products, I would bet that next years sets will catch up...
thanx for info. In still holding out hope that it will be upgraded via firmware at some point, i mean the hardware should be capable if my 2 yr old avr was updated
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Well I might not have explained properly, but the big advantage (to me at least) to plugging things directly into the TV is that you can have different image settings for each input and the settings switch automatically when you select an in put on the TV.

If I have a thing plugged into HDMI 4 on the TV (example: a NAS) then I can have specific settings for it.
If I have something else plugged into HDMI 3 on the TV (example: blu ray player) then I can have specific settings for it.
Etc.

On my NAS i have media with full uncompressed dolby atmos but it won't work since only DD+ is supported. I have to plug that into my AVR to get the full sound, thus loosing customization for image settings. Then, I also need to plug my blu ray on the receiver or no uncompressed atmos. So now, my NAS and blu ray have to share the same image settings or i have to fiddle manually to switch stuff around in the tv menu depending on the source.

So it's not just netflix/amazon (which are currently in DD+ indeed), it's all other sources.

I'm also having (probably unrelated but frustrating nonetheless) issues with lip synchronization with my Bell Fibe 4K cable box. If I put it in PCM, i have no issues but it's only stereo... and the TV doesn't switch to DD+ automatically when i launch netflix app. If I put it on DD, the voice isn't synchronized with the image (but it switches to DD+ correctly now when launching netflix)... The setting for delay on the TV won't go negative and my video is ahead of the sound for some reason.

I know the last part might be specific to my setup (I have a denon x4500h, 5.2.4, xbox one x, q90r, bell fibe 4k) all premium hdmi cables, etc. but the first part basically negates having multiple input setttings...

Bottom line, i can't get max sound and max video without sacrificing the ability to have multiple image settings.

(Sorry english isn't my first language, trying my best). Note however, that since I ruled out OLED for fear of burn in with my viewing habits, I'm not trying to say this TV isn't amazing, it is... just saying paying 4k$+tax (canadian) and they can't put 50$ more for hdmi connectors in 2019 is argh... especially since LG is all 2.1.
Interesting. With Sony tv’s, which I’m more familiar with, I was able to run through my AVR and still have different picture presets for each device. I believe this was with HDMI CEC enabled. I’m not as familiar with Samsung’s capabilities in this regard, so I will have to investigate further.

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Interesting. With Sony tv’s, which I’m more familiar with, I was able to run through my AVR and still have different picture presets for each device. I believe this was with HDMI CEC enabled. I’m not as familiar with Samsung’s capabilities in this regard, so I will have to investigate further.


I believe that some Sony TVs used to tie picture modes with input resolutions.

CEC offers no way of communicating when an AVR has switched inputs....


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So I am seriously considering this set in the 82 inch size. My current TV is a 2017 LG OLED so I am a bit nervous....


However my set over the years has dimmed a bit and my new cabinets are begging for a bigger set.
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CEC offers no way of communicating when an AVR has switched inputs....


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Yeah, I’m trying to remember exactly how it worked, but I do remember some settings being remembered when changing sources. Hmmm.

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So my dog decided to use my TV remote as a snack. I’m having trouble finding this exact remote to replace it. Can anyone help with this?
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Get a new dog?
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SOLD!!!!

82" Q90R to be delivered on the 29th. Almost went with the 82" 8K, but reviews are no where as good as the 90R so it was a pretty simple decision. Purchased from Samsung.com with the 4 year samsung warranty. Can't wait to game and enjoy the cinema at home. Previous model was the KS9800 which was an amazing TV but time for the newest and greatest.

Thanks to all the owners here that provided the feedback. AND WHY THIS THREAD HAS NO TALKING ABOUT PRICES. JUST bs.... If there's a great deal somewhere then share it, we're hear to help each other out. With that said. If you can find a way to buy it with an employee discount or college edu discount, it's well worth the effort.

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Got our 82" yesterday. Temporarily on the stand until we get it hung. Plus, I wanted to make sure everything was OK with it. Its a big upgrade from our 2010 65" Sammy. It-is-heavy! Initially, it was going to be me and wifey putting it on the media console. Thankfully, our landscaper guy was here, about to get paid and leave when I asked him for a hand with it...
Enjoy. It's crazy. I think there are more of us 82" owners than the rest of them combined lol.
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