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post #4171 of 5315 Old 05-21-2019, 06:45 PM
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hey all

been in couple since weeks since I was last in this thread. I've since moved on from my Q90 and now the proud owner of Sony A8F. Was able to get a good deal on it here in Aus, slightly below the EPP price I paid for the Q90.

Some may remember I was seeing minor DSE, particularly when watching sport. My partner couldn't really notice it, unfortunately I could. Moved to the Sony as they generally have very good motion handling, going by what I read online anyway. Tested the OLED in store with some of my own content before purchasing. Happy to say I have no DSE and sport looks great. My Sony may have a slight edge with upscaling too but that's only going off very brief sessions on low quality FTA.

Now that I've had owned both for a couple weeks... living in a apartment with tonnes of natural light was one of the main reasons I went with the Q90 in the first place. It is/was so much brighter than my A8f and the reflection handling on the Samsung is so damn good! Viewing angles are also very solid for non OLED. 4K HDR content was a visual treat and its got a lot more going for it gaming wise also vs the Sony. Light gaming on my end so not really an issue for me.

I don't want to deter people from purchasing a Q90, as you can see here plenty of buyers are happy. And the DSE on mine was only very, very minor and only noticeable in specific content. Guess im just very picky, I'd still own one otherwise.


Enjoy your sets everyone, again it really is a great TV. Definitely holds its own against the OLED's of this world.

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I get a random message that the network cable is connected, even though it is always connected. I don't use the internal apps, so don't know if the TV is actually losing connection or not.
We have the TV on Ethernet, and get the “network cable connected” randomly (every few hours) too. We use the native apps and have never had an interruption. It’s pretty annoying as you need the TV remote to turn off the message. When we’re watching cable, we use the TIVO remote.
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Well, I definitely found a blu ray that creates an amazing amount of blooming( i think this is what blooming is?) on this set! It will not be for most to try, unless you use the MUTE BUTTON!!! Me, I like it loud & in your face sometimes!!
Slipknot Day of the Gusano has a lot of red backlighting for the stage & the blooming is very evident. I'd image this is probably the case for all TV's though. The flashing red is pretty harsh. The devil head as the backdrop is also illuminated in red & the screen doesn't seem to like that very much either!

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Hopefully the network cable connected message gets fixed in an update. It's kind of annoying at times, but you know... first world problems!

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Just ordered the 75" Q90 with the no gap wall mount. My delivery date is a few weeks out. Can't wait for it to get here!
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True but I don't see it in the manual. I'm just gonna run it on the outside, I will see maybe 3 inches of the cable on my wall. No big deal.
I assume you have a stand under the TV? Put a nick nack there to hide the cable
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I ran into my first HDR scene that fluctuates brightness, it was pretty annoying to be honest. I hope Samsung does the fix that Vincent was pleading with them to fix (I believe).

It went really bright then really dim then back to bright.

Edit: actually, when the credits hit, the backlight kept fluctuating bright then dim then bright then dim.

Is there an auto backlight adjustment setting I haven't turned off?

Or is it local dimming trying to control the blooming? I have it on Standard.


It's hard to capture but you should get the idea.

Edit 2: this is the scene that is really annoying. Right when the screen moves to Jaime Lannister, it dims really low, I know in the video it doesn't seem too dim but when you are watching it's very apparent.

If you look to the left of Jaime's head, you can see the background get dimmer.


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I think your camera may be adjusting for brightness fluctuations and limiting what we see. Don't know if it will help but you may get a better result if the room is bright when you do this so that the camera isn't always adjusting to screen brightness alone.
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After calibration the correct blur and judder were blur 0 judder 1 for 24fps content
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Personally i think you may have some settings wrong. After calibration its amazing how much altering even 1 setting can knock it all out of wack, basically very tempramental. Having mine professionally calibrated done 2 things for me. 1 it gave me a much true picture with colours n contrast, and 2 it gave me peace of mind the the tv was set uo correct so it stopped my OCD with messing with settings. Thats when i understood each setting cos after calibration just adjusting the odd setting slightly knocked it all out of wack which proves the tv is all in sync. I would never have got it like this with just my eyes and user settings. The tvs are so out of wack out of the box which he shown me on a graph before he started. Way too much blue n pink ti make the tv shine when 1st turned on. Yeah looks great until you see what it should look like. Not quite as bright n punchy but so much more deep and true. And i had an issue with motion before but not now. No i dont sponsor calibrators cos i was really unsure to have it done for the price but oh boy im glad i did. Sos for the waffling. Had tv a while now and spent an awfull lot of time getting to know it so any specific issues anyone is having if i can help i will.
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I ran into my first HDR scene that fluctuates brightness, it was pretty annoying to be honest. I hope Samsung does the fix that Vincent was pleading with them to fix (I believe).



It went really bright then really dim then back to bright.



Edit: actually, when the credits hit, the backlight kept fluctuating bright then dim then bright then dim.



Is there an auto backlight adjustment setting I haven't turned off?



Or is it local dimming trying to control the blooming? I have it on Standard.



https://youtu.be/_HL0aWKW47A



It's hard to capture but you should get the idea.



Edit 2: this is the scene that is really annoying. Right when the screen moves to Jaime Lannister, it dims really low, I know in the video it doesn't seem too dim but when you are watching it's very apparent.



If you look to the left of Jaime's head, you can see the background get dimmer.



https://youtu.be/I0WNbEbuZqA


Subtitles and end credits will always give you blooming issues ime, just a limitation of FALD tech.

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Personally i think you may have some settings wrong. After calibration its amazing how much altering even 1 setting can knock it all out of wack, basically very tempramental. Having mine professionally calibrated done 2 things for me. 1 it gave me a much true picture with colours n contrast, and 2 it gave me peace of mind the the tv was set uo correct so it stopped my OCD with messing with settings. Thats when i understood each setting cos after calibration just adjusting the odd setting slightly knocked it all out of wack which proves the tv is all in sync. I would never have got it like this with just my eyes and user settings. The tvs are so out of wack out of the box which he shown me on a graph before he started. Way too much blue n pink ti make the tv shine when 1st turned on. Yeah looks great until you see what it should look like. Not quite as bright n punchy but so much more deep and true. And i had an issue with motion before but not now. No i dont sponsor calibrators cos i was really unsure to have it done for the price but oh boy im glad i did. Sos for the waffling. Had tv a while now and spent an awfull lot of time getting to know it so any specific issues anyone is having if i can help i will.
Did you calibrate your tv using a professional calibrator or using specialist hardware.


If so, what hardware did you use to calibrate the tv?




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I think your camera may be adjusting for brightness fluctuations and limiting what we see. Don't know if it will help but you may get a better result if the room is bright when you do this so that the camera isn't always adjusting to screen brightness alone.
Yeah, I will try to do that. The whole episode was fine other than this scene. It was very noticeable because the TV almost looked like it was going into sleep mode for a second.

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Subtitles and end credits will always give you blooming issues ime, just a limitation of FALD tech.
I'm OK with the credits but during the show was a little annoying.
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Maybe it is... but it looks like a natural blooming limit to me. Dont get me wrong, some scenes (even dark looks stunning -especially high contrast to dark scenes) and I am not saying this TV is bad. But dark scenes with a lot of low light over screen are just overbloomed. I have my TV calibrated, maybe this is why i see it. If i use broken standart at default or dynamic its imho another story. So when i saw someone saying like GOT is stuning i was like.... aaaah,... i wish
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Personally i think you may have some settings wrong. After calibration its amazing how much altering even 1 setting can knock it all out of wack, basically very tempramental. Having mine professionally calibrated done 2 things for me. 1 it gave me a much true picture with colours n contrast, and 2 it gave me peace of mind the the tv was set uo correct so it stopped my OCD with messing with settings. Thats when i understood each setting cos after calibration just adjusting the odd setting slightly knocked it all out of wack which proves the tv is all in sync. I would never have got it like this with just my eyes and user settings. The tvs are so out of wack out of the box which he shown me on a graph before he started. Way too much blue n pink ti make the tv shine when 1st turned on. Yeah looks great until you see what it should look like. Not quite as bright n punchy but so much more deep and true. And i had an issue with motion before but not now. No i dont sponsor calibrators cos i was really unsure to have it done for the price but oh boy im glad i did. Sos for the waffling. Had tv a while now and spent an awfull lot of time getting to know it so any specific issues anyone is having if i can help i will.
Did you get your TV calibrated for HDR and SDR or just SDR?

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I believe FlatPanelsHD noticed this issue as well on the TV

We found that dimming zones still suffer from some delay, which is noticeable during a transition from a dark to a bright - or vice versa - movie scene. Some viewers may find this delay distracting as the first few moments of a new scene will look either too subdued and dark or too bright and blown out until the panel adjusts.

This one scene is probably causing a delay in the dimming system which makes it look extremely dim for a moment.

I might wait until CalMan Home for Samsung R2 gets released and just used AutoCal on it. I say that and I know nothing about it.

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I might wait until CalMan Home for Samsung R2 gets released and just used AutoCal on it.
Autocal won't alter the local dimming algorithm.
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Having learned that I had an incorrect configuration during my initial SDR calibration, and now that the set has had a bit of settling time, I've made another pass at it. I give my resulting settings, but be aware that my detailed white balance and color settings are unlikely to be a match for your panel.

Calibration done with CalMAN Home, SpectraCal C6 HDR2000 meter, Windows 10 PC, CalMAN Client3, GeForce RTX 2080 Ti. Calibration targets rec.709, D65, BT.1886, 100 nits.

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Having learned that I had an incorrect configuration during my initial SDR calibration, and now that the set has had a bit of settling time, I've made another pass at it. I give my resulting settings, but be aware that my detailed white balance and color settings are unlikely to be a match for your panel.

Calibration done with CalMAN Home, SpectraCal C6 HDR2000 meter, Windows 10 PC, CalMAN Client3, GeForce RTX 2080 Ti. Calibration targets rec.709, D65, BT.1886, 100 nits.
Do you have your HDR settings somewhere as well?
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Do you have your HDR settings somewhere as well?
HDR is new to me; still working my way through it.
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Personally i think you may have some settings wrong. After calibration its amazing how much altering even 1 setting can knock it all out of wack, basically very tempramental. Having mine professionally calibrated done 2 things for me. 1 it gave me a much true picture with colours n contrast, and 2 it gave me peace of mind the the tv was set uo correct so it stopped my OCD with messing with settings. Thats when i understood each setting cos after calibration just adjusting the odd setting slightly knocked it all out of wack which proves the tv is all in sync. I would never have got it like this with just my eyes and user settings. The tvs are so out of wack out of the box which he shown me on a graph before he started. Way too much blue n pink ti make the tv shine when 1st turned on. Yeah looks great until you see what it should look like. Not quite as bright n punchy but so much more deep and true. And i had an issue with motion before but not now. No i dont sponsor calibrators cos i was really unsure to have it done for the price but oh boy im glad i did. Sos for the waffling. Had tv a while now and spent an awfull lot of time getting to know it so any specific issues anyone is having if i can help i will.
Thanks for the post, how much is a calibration? Was your technician ISF certified?
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I’m really enjoying the Q90 so far, but I’m still seeing a lot of blooming.

I think the problem for me is that I’m still in critical testing mode, after having so many sets in here over the past 5 months. My brain has been programmed to look for these flaws and now I’m having trouble not seeing them. Lol

I know that the Q90 is likely as good as it gets for blooming control, so I have to stop myself from thinking about it and just enjoy the set. Easier said than done.
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I’m really enjoying the Q90 so far, but I’m still seeing a lot of blooming.

I think the problem for me is that I’m still in critical testing mode, after having so many sets in here over the past 5 months. My brain has been programmed to look for these flaws and now I’m having trouble not seeing them. Lol

I know that the Q90 is likely as good as it gets for blooming control, so I have to stop myself from thinking about it and just enjoy the set. Easier said than done.
Is subtitles your biggest blooming issue or just in general? I use Infuse and had the same concerns in the beginning with blooming subtitles. I fixed it though by using slightly grey subtitles with a dark grey frame. Now I see zero blooming with local dimming set to standard in SDR. Just a tip.
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Is subtitles your biggest blooming issue or just in general? I use Infuse and had the same concerns in the beginning with blooming subtitles. I fixed it though by using slightly grey subtitles with a dark grey frame. Now I see zero blooming with local dimming set to standard in SDR. Just a tip.

I don’t have any issues with blooming in SDR. The blooming I’m talking about is with HDR content and mostly just with streaming apps, like Netflix and Amazon. Even 4K HDR Bluray is generally very good. Samsung does a great job with the standard size 2.35 letterbox bars, but not so good with the small bars you get in a lot of the Netflix and Amazon content.

Subtitle blooming is rare enough to not bother me and I don’t find it that bad anyway.

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Having learned that I had an incorrect configuration during my initial SDR calibration, and now that the set has had a bit of settling time, I've made another pass at it. I give my resulting settings, but be aware that my detailed white balance and color settings are unlikely to be a match for your panel.



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Calibrated for both SDR & HDR both calibrated on movie mode. For SDR motion set to custom both at zero,for HDR blur 0 judder 1 which was the correct setting for 24fps content. I had it professionally calibrated, i wouldnt have a clue. The only camera i have is the one on mi phone 😁 i am just enjoying the results. I had the tv 2 weeks beforehand and i constantly messed with it to get the best picture and learn what each setting does and i thought i had it ok till it was calibrated then i could see i was way out. From what i learnt from the calibrator all the settings need to be in sync with each other just playing with settings on my own would never have got there. Now skin tones look right, reds look right which is the hardest colour i couldnt get right, always looked bit orange, motion is great it was awfull before. It basically looks deep n rich n true in both SDR & HDR. TV aint cheap it deserves to be set up right.
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This was my tv before and after
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Is it ok to put the one connect box inside a cabinet? There will be some ventilation in my cabinet (the rear of it is open). Will it risk overheating?
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How do you enable 20point?
I believe it can only be enabled in Movie picture mode.
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Anyone here with both 65 Q9FN and Q90?
In dark room?

I cant compare them in store in demo mode at light.

Unfortunately Q9FN is sold out and i must buy Q90 here in Croatia.
Only opened boxes and showroom models left...

I have Q9FN and planed one more for other room but now its too late.
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