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This surprises me. I see visible ringing even with sharpness set to 1.
I am at Sharpness 3 based upon test patterns during my basic calibration. I doubt I can even notice the difference with typical content.
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Has anyone else's set been turning off randomly? We've been having this issue with it turning off right in the middle of programs. All the econo settings are off.
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Has anyone else's set been turning off randomly?
Nope, haven't had that happen on mine. Just the random loss of network connectivity.
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Has anyone else's set been turning off randomly? We've been having this issue with it turning off right in the middle of programs. All the econo settings are off.
No it never happens to me.
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... Just the random loss of network connectivity.
I have this happen to me at least once every couple of days. I use a wireless connection.

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Saw this TV at best buy today
Really impressed. Of course just playing demo loop but it sure was a great picture.

Is there a difference in the screen on the 75 & 82?
Is there a panel lottery on this set?
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These are from the Xfinity screen saver, there's much more shadow detail on real life. The SDR image on the Q90R is very HDR like.

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Finally watched the Alien 4K bluray today. Just an incredible picture for such an old film and competes with anything else I’ve seen on the format. Inky blacks and fantastic HDR highlights. This is a great showpiece for the capabilities of HDR10+ and the Q90 imo. Even more remarkable for such a dark film with bright highlights was the absence of blooming. Highly recommended!
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You can adjust the color temperature in either of them to be more cool, or warm. Movie is an overall dimmer picture with more accurate colors, where Standard has more punch, and brighter picture. From the Forbes review he said Standard hits a little over 2000 nits peak brightness, but most other reviews are done in Movie mode with 1400-1600 peaks.
There is no better mode. It's all just preference. I personally like the brighter picture.
Thanks. I tried Movie, still prefer Standard. Either way, love the TV
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Saw this TV at best buy today

Really impressed. Of course just playing demo loop but it sure was a great picture.



Is there a difference in the screen on the 75 & 82?

Is there a panel lottery on this set?
From my experiences the 82 has a better panel. I believe AUO makes the panel for the 82. I have nearly no dse and awesome uniformity
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Just wanted to ask a couple questions. Netflix / Prime has some UHD content in Dolby Vision & it's my understanding Samsung doesn't support Dolby Vision. Will the Q90R convert Dolby Vision content to HDR+ or at least HDR, or has Samsung updated the set to now support Dolby Vision?


And, is 3D Blu-ray support officially dead? I don't see where any 4k set supports 3D now.
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In a different forum some guys have said that the Q90R doesn't have true 4K resolution, because of the wide viewing angle thing. I think that sounds like bullsh*t, or is it?
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In a different forum some guys have said that the Q90R doesn't have true 4K resolution, because of the wide viewing angle thing. I think that sounds like bullsh*t, or is it?
They have no clue what they're talking about. It either displays 3840x2160 or it doesn't. The wide viewing angle layer has nothing to do with the output resolution of the tv.
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Saw this TV at best buy today
Really impressed. Of course just playing demo loop but it sure was a great picture.

Is there a difference in the screen on the 75 & 82?
Is there a panel lottery on this set?
You would have to test 5 of each size to see if there was a difference. This test would have to be done at the same location, by the same person to be 100% sure. That is not going to happen so we will all just have to assume they are about the same. Since there is no perfect TV there will always be a uniformity lottery on every TV made, great news is most are happy with there sets. From the picture's I have seen the 90R are very clean compared to other years and models.....
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In a different forum some guys have said that the Q90R doesn't have true 4K resolution, because of the wide viewing angle thing. I think that sounds like bullsh*t, or is it?
They have no clue what they're talking about. It either displays 3840x2160 or it doesn't. The wide viewing angle layer has nothing to do with the output resolution of the tv.
Well.. I did some research, and found this:

"As you may have guessed, sub-pixel rending does have drawbacks, with the main one being lower effective resolution when the wide viewing angle system is active. When examining the pixel structure more closely, we found that the LCD panel has a gate pattern that negatively affects picture details. The photo to the right illustrates the same picture section from Samsung Q90R and Sony A9F, revealing that you some of the finer details (i.e. the pupil) in the picture are lost, and that color gradients or contrast transitions (around the hair) appear with dithering artefacts.

For you as a viewer, the effect will be hard to spot from a normal viewing distance in a sofa, which may in some sense revive the discussion around whether 4K resolution is actually too high in typical viewing situations. The effective resolution of Q90R will be somewhere between full HD and 4K - in some picture modes. Whether this is a big thing or not, is probably up to the individual buyer but we must conclude that the improvements in viewing angle come at the expensive of resolution."
https://www.flatpanelshd.com/review....&id=1557215154

I probably wouldn't have bought this TV if I would've known that this isn't a 4K TV.
"The effective resolution of Q90R will be somewhere between full HD and 4K"

Too late now, sucks.

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LOL, so you like what you see but perceived specs have got you down? Depending on size and distance 4k can be overdoing it or at least unappreciated. I didn't see any pixelation from a 50" 768 plasma at 11 feet and the same is true of my 1080P 60". The improvements from 4K are way overstated unless the panel size to proximity ratio is very low. Other aspects will have a far greater influence on picture quality.
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Well.. I did some research, and found this:

"As you may have guessed, sub-pixel rending does have drawbacks, with the main one being lower effective resolution when the wide viewing angle system is active. When examining the pixel structure more closely, we found that the LCD panel has a gate pattern that negatively affects picture details. The photo to the right illustrates the same picture section from Samsung Q90R and Sony A9F, revealing that you some of the finer details (i.e. the pupil) in the picture are lost, and that color gradients or contrast transitions (around the hair) appear with dithering artefacts.

For you as a viewer, the effect will be hard to spot from a normal viewing distance in a sofa, which may in some sense revive the discussion around whether 4K resolution is actually too high in typical viewing situations. The effective resolution of Q90R will be somewhere between full HD and 4K - in some picture modes. Whether this is a big thing or not, is probably up to the individual buyer but we must conclude that the improvements in viewing angle come at the expensive of resolution."
https://www.flatpanelshd.com/review....&id=1557215154

I probably wouldn't have bought this TV if I would've known that this isn't a 4K TV.
"The effective resolution of Q90R will be somewhere between full HD and 4K"

Too late now, sucks.

Too funny how this nonsense get blown WAY out of proportion. Go watch Vincent Teoh’s Q90 review on Youtube, as he explains it much better and knows what he’s talking about.

Vincent then goes on the say that the Q90 is the best 4K LED LCD on the market for 2019, so no, the world is not falling.
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They have no clue what they're talking about. It either displays 3840x2160 or it doesn't. The wide viewing angle layer has nothing to do with the output resolution of the tv.
Of course it does in terms of what is seen. Put a blanket over it and it's still putting out 4k, you just can't see it. Same with the dispersion layer. Read my above post and you'll see i don't think it's big deal for most since the perceived result is more important than specs but if you put an obstruction between the lcd panel and the viewer, like the dispersion layer, it can most certainly affect perceived resolution. If they have a difficult time counting pixels, that's exactly what is happening.
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The benefits of the additional layer (wide viewing angle without sacrificing great contrast) out way the cost (slight perceived loss in detail), at least in my opinion. I guess it depends on your priorities.
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LOL, so you like what you see but perceived specs have got you down?
I would have to do a side by side comparison or something, but since that isn't possible I have to read about the stuff.
I'm not a super human who can fully evaluate a TV and know how it performs compared to all other TVs just by seeing one TV.
If I would see a $400 TV I would be happy with the picture quality because I wouldn't have anything to compare with, I wouldn't know better.

It was a 4K TV which I wanted.. heck, I even was thinking about 8K for a while.
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Too funny how this nonsense get blown WAY out of proportion. Go watch Vincent Teoh’s Q90 review on Youtube, as he explains it much better and knows what he’s talking about.

Vincent then goes on the say that the Q90 is the best 4K LED LCD on the market for 2019, so no, the world is not falling.
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They have no clue what they're talking about. It either displays 3840x2160 or it doesn't. The wide viewing angle layer has nothing to do with the output resolution of the tv.
Of course it does in terms of what is seen. Put a blanket over it and it's still putting out 4k, you just can't see it. Same with the dispersion layer. Read my above post and you'll see i don't think it's big deal for most since the perceived result is more important than specs but if you put an obstruction between the lcd panel and the viewer, like the dispersion layer, it can most certainly affect perceived resolution. If they have a difficult time counting pixels, that's exactly what is happening.
But it's mainly the active thing which is doing it, not the passive layer.
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I would have to do a side by side comparison or something, but since that isn't possible I have to read about the stuff.
I'm not a super human who can fully evaluate a TV and know how it performs compared to all other TVs just by seeing one TV.
If I would see a $400 TV I would be happy with the picture quality because I wouldn't have anything to compare with, I wouldn't know better.

It was a 4K TV which I wanted.. heck, I even was thinking about 8K for a while.

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According to a previous post you've had this TV less than 10 days. You should still be within your return period. You could return it and buy another brand. No reason to keep a TV you're not happy with.
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I would have to do a side by side comparison or something, but since that isn't possible I have to read about the stuff.
I'm not a super human who can fully evaluate a TV and know how it performs compared to all other TVs just by seeing one TV.
If I would see a $400 TV I would be happy with the picture quality because I wouldn't have anything to compare with, I wouldn't know better.

It was a 4K TV which I wanted.. heck, I even was thinking about 8K for a while.

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According to a previous post you've had this TV less than 10 days. You should still be within your return period. You could return it and buy another brand. No reason to keep a TV you're not happy with.
I guess my only alternative would be LG C9 77", it would cost almost twice as much for me. +The hassle with returning a TV and getting a new one.
I don't think it's worth it.
But thanks.
I'm happy with it... I don't think the perfect TV exists.
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Nope, haven't had that happen on mine. Just the random loss of network connectivity.

I'm going to have to contact support. Mine keeps shutting off from what seems like "inactivity" but everything is routed through my receiver. The first 2.5 weeks I've had the TV it didn't do this, then all the sudden it's been doing it the last week.
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I'm going to have to contact support. Mine keeps shutting off from what seems like "inactivity" but everything is routed through my receiver. The first 2.5 weeks I've had the TV it didn't do this, then all the sudden it's been doing it the last week.
That’s strange. Is your one connect box in a well ventilated area? Just a thought, but maybe it’s engaging a protection mode. I’ve seen this happen with various AVR’s when they get too hot.

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I would have to do a side by side comparison or something, but since that isn't possible I have to read about the stuff.
I'm not a super human who can fully evaluate a TV and know how it performs compared to all other TVs just by seeing one TV.
If I would see a $400 TV I would be happy with the picture quality because I wouldn't have anything to compare with, I wouldn't know better.

It was a 4K TV which I wanted.. heck, I even was thinking about 8K for a while.

I'll do that.

But it's mainly the active thing which is doing it, not the passive layer.
The point of a display is perceived picture quality. How they get there doesn't matter. You are not buying specs. You are buying a window to entertainment. Whichever display gives you the most of that within your budget is the right one. Buying specs ahead of what your eyes tell you is definitely putting the cart before the horse. If you can't tell ot trust your eyes, save your money.
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Anyone have sound issues? I have someone coming to replace my panel as I think the gray uniformity is below acceptable for be, and now I get to sound whatsoever. Not even menu sounds. I like Samsung, I love this TV, this is an extremely disappointing experience so far
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I would have to do a side by side comparison or something, but since that isn't possible I have to read about the stuff.
I'm not a super human who can fully evaluate a TV and know how it performs compared to all other TVs just by seeing one TV.
If I would see a $400 TV I would be happy with the picture quality because I wouldn't have anything to compare with, I wouldn't know better.

It was a 4K TV which I wanted.. heck, I even was thinking about 8K for a while.

I'll do that.

But it's mainly the active thing which is doing it, not the passive layer.
The point of a display is perceived picture quality. How they get there doesn't matter. You are not buying specs. You are buying a window to entertainment. Whichever display gives you the most of that within your budget is the right one. Buying specs ahead of what your eyes tell you is definitely putting the cart before the horse. If you can't tell ot trust your eyes, save your money.
Actually, I had a period when I didn't have a TV. So I watched TV on my cellphone instead, I got immersed in the watching in the same way as with a normal big TV..
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Has anyone else's set been turning off randomly? We've been having this issue with it turning off right in the middle of programs. All the econo settings are off.
Yes I have had this happen to me as well.
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