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Does anyone else get weird dimming and flickering on the top half of the screen randomly when watching HDR on Netflix, using the built in app? Seemed to only happen in Standard mode, but during one of the new episodes of Black Mirror tonight it started going crazy.
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I haven't noticed dimming / flickering on Netflix. But the stuttering on The Handmaid's Tale tonight from the built in Hulu app was off the chain. What's the consensus on motion settings? I've seen some say off, I've seen some say 0,0. I've been on auto so far, but that definitely needs to change.
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I was looking at the dimensions of the 75 and 82. The 75" is three inches shorter on each side and less than two inches on the top and bottom compared to the 82. You know? in the grand scheme of things it could be just insignificant. Plus, Amazon is selling the 82" for just $700 ($5498) more than the 75" ($4798)...
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I haven't noticed dimming / flickering on Netflix. But the stuttering on The Handmaid's Tale tonight from the built in Hulu app was off the chain. What's the consensus on motion settings? I've seen some say off, I've seen some say 0,0. I've been on auto so far, but that definitely needs to change.
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I cannot get round pixel density.Whether it a 55,65,75 the actual number of pixels will be the same so if I change a 65 for a 75 screen am I not loosing some picture quality on route?
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I cannot get round pixel density.Whether it a 55,65,75 the actual number of pixels will be the same so if I change a 65 for a 75 screen am I not loosing some picture quality on route?

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I was looking at the dimensions of the 75 and 82. The 75" is three inches shorter on each side and less than two inches on the top and bottom compared to the 82. You know? in the grand scheme of things it could be just insignificant. Plus, Amazon is selling the 82" for just $700 ($5498) more than the 75" ($4798)...

As far as the stand (in our case a console), I have no idea why the salesman said "longer than the TV." We have our 82" temporarily on a 72" long entertainment center. Look likes one big monster?
I am looking at the 82". Remember if in doubt always go bigger. Biggest TV purchase regret is " I wish I would have decided on the larger screen size".

But wait is that 82" really 150 lbs with the stand?
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I am looking at the 82". Remember if in doubt always go bigger. Biggest TV purchase regret is " I wish I would have decided on the larger screen size".



But wait is that 82" really 150 lbs with the stand?
Yes, the 82” is HEAVY and feels every bit of that 150 lbs. The awkward size makes it all that much harder to handle as well. It will be easier to handle if you are wall mounting, because the stand probably weighs 30-40 lbs all by itself. Either way, make sure you have plenty of help!
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Yes, the 82” is HEAVY and feels every bit of that 150 lbs. The awkward size makes it all that much harder to handle as well. It will be easier to handle if you are wall mounting, because the stand probably weighs 30-40 lbs all by itself. Either way, make sure you have plenty of help!
It is a beast. I would some reservations if this was being placed using the stand. It's just so heavy. Our current media center's top (made of wood) is sightly warped from our very first HD set - a JVC D-ILA rear projection that was very heavy. Maybe these things are built stronger nowadays...

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It is a beast. I would some reservations if this was being placed using the stand. It's just so heavy. Our current media center's top (made of wood) is sightly warped from our very first HD set - a JVC D-ILA rear projection that was very heavy. Maybe these things are built stronger nowadays...
Just discovered my stand is only rated for 125lb.

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I'm thinking going for the 75Q90R but my biggest concern is subtitles. I watch movies and tv shows with subtitles all the time so subtitles with no serious blooming issues will be great. Can someone who has watched a lot of material with subtitles comment?
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I'm thinking going for the 75Q90R but my biggest concern is subtitles. I watch movies and tv shows with subtitles all the time so subtitles with no serious blooming issues will be great. Can someone who has watched a lot of material with subtitles comment?
I'd like to hear about this as well, particularly with a 4k HDR disc. A good one is the scene in Sicario where Benito Del Toro is talking to the police officer while in the police cruiser.
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I'd like to hear about this as well, particularly with a 4k HDR disc. A good one is the scene in Sicario where Benito Del Toro is talking to the police officer while in the police cruiser.
I have the 75" and blooming really isn't much of an issue. There is a little bit, but you won't really notice it unless youre looking for it. I run mine on local dimming high too.
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We're getting a brand new console and just can't imagine this set on it. Which leads me to the next question. How high are you guys (forum members) hanging the TV? The top of ours will be hung around 77-78ish" off the floor...
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We're getting a brand new console and just can't imagine this set on it. Which leads me to the next question. How high are you guys (forum members) hanging the TV? The top of ours will be hung around 77-78ish" off the floor...
It depends on if you're using the no gap mount, because you won't be able to tilt it. The vertical viewing angles aren't very good.
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Yes, the 82” is HEAVY and feels every bit of that 150 lbs. The awkward size makes it all that much harder to handle as well. It will be easier to handle if you are wall mounting, because the stand probably weighs 30-40 lbs all by itself. Either way, make sure you have plenty of help!
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I just set up my 82" last night. It took three of us to get the base on and set on my stand. In the past I have have mostly been able to do this myself, but in this case I doubt we could have done this with even 2 people.

The weight was concerning enough that I called my stand manufacturer to make sure the glass top could even support the thing...I wouldn't put it on something that was even remotely questionable, and I'm not looking forward to when I need to take it back down.

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Hi all,
I just got my Q90R a few days ago (75") and I love it. One issue I found is with game mode. It crushes black detail. Anyone know why this is? Local dimming works in game mode (I confirmed this with OLED demo vids on YouTube) but it works differently, and, by comparison, poorly. I've started playing with game mode off, and I've noticed much better visuals and I don't really notice any lag, but then again I'm not exactly a hard core gamer.

I made a video of the difference between game mode on and off. Forgive the video quality, but I was using a youtube vid of Metro since I don't currently have any games with consistent dark scenes.

I can't post a link to the vid because I only have four posts and you need five, so I will post again right after this with the link.
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EDIT: I found the culprit! It's Dynamic Black Equalizer. It's supposed to make players hiding in shadows easier to see, and it kills black levels. Turning it off makes the local dimming much better. Still not quite as good as with game mode off, but quite close to the point where you have to switch back and forth a bit to be sure! You can turn this off in the game mode settings menu.

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We're getting a brand new console and just can't imagine this set on it. Which leads me to the next question. How high are you guys (forum members) hanging the TV? The top of ours will be hung around 77-78ish" off the floor...
this is definitely a tv you want to measure for mounting(height of tv and vesa hole heihts, etc), the VESA mounting points are higher on the tv than they are on other tvs (top half vs bottom half, and as a result bottom of my tv sits only 20 inches off the floor using my existing wall mount point. Ideally i would have it set so the middle third is at eye level but i didn't want to remove and reinstall the wall mount.
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I just set up my 82" last night. It took three of us to get the base on and set on my stand. In the past I have have mostly been able to do this myself, but in this case I doubt we could have done this with even 2 people.

The weight was concerning enough that I called my stand manufacturer to make sure the glass top could even support the thing...I wouldn't put it on something that was even remotely questionable, and I'm not looking forward to when I need to take it back down.
Two of us lifted my 82” onto a tv stand which is up inside an elevated recessed platform built into the wall. We had to lift it up ~3ft to get it on the tv stand. It wasn’t easy, but we managed to get it up there! Would have been a lot easier without the heavy metal stand already mounted on the set, as that beast must weigh 30-40 lbs by itself. My tv stand has a glass top and is rated for 160 lbs, so I’m really pushing it to the limit. You can see the glass is flexing slightly in the middle under the weight, but it can’t bend past the metal framed cross bracing on the stand, so I’m confident that it won’t break. Lol

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This is in part why I returned my Samsungs Q9FN and especially Q900, the local dimming was much worse in game mode, Q9FN is a naturally high contrast LCD so it still looked quite good but the local dimming was essentially turned off or at lease locked in to simpler one as changing from high to low made no difference, and on the Q900 you could clearly notice the larger black areas mixed in with other brighter patches produced noticeably grayer looking blacks compared to movie mode. I have my guesses as to why this is happening: as they try to lower the input lag of the TV and maybe cheapened out on the image/backlight processing hardware, it simply doesn't have enough hardware/cpu processing time to control the backlight grid without introducing unwanted delays in fast phased games and or other artifacts such as fluctuations of scene brightness.

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This is in part why I returned my Samsungs Q9FN and especially Q900, the local dimming was much worse in game mode, Q9FN is a naturally high contrast LCD so it still looked quite good but the local dimming was essentially turned off or at lease locked in to simpler one as changing from high to low made no difference, and on the Q900 you could clearly notice the larger black areas mixed in with other brighter patches produced noticeably grayer looking blacks compared to movie mode. I have my guesses as to why this is happening: as they try to lower the input lag of the TV and maybe cheapened out on the image/backlight processing hardware, it simply doesn't have enough hardware/cpu processing time to control the backlight grid without introducing unwanted delays in fast phased games and or other artifacts such as fluctuations of scene brightness.
Have you noticed any real difference playing without game mode? I can't (except better image quality with it off), but as I said before, I'm not a "performance gamer."
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I just got my Q90R a few days ago (75") and I love it. One issue I found is with game mode. It crushes black detail. Anyone know why this is? Local dimming works in game mode (I confirmed this with OLED demo vids on YouTube) but it works differently, and, by comparison, poorly. I've started playing with game mode off, and I've noticed much better visuals and I don't really notice any lag, but then again I'm not exactly a hard core gamer.

I made a video of the difference between game mode on and off. Forgive the video quality, but I was using a youtube vid of Metro since I don't currently have any games with consistent dark scenes.

I can't post a link to the vid because I only have four posts and you need five, so I will post again right after this with the link.
I must admit, I’m a bit worried about this issue, as I have yet to fire up my PS4 Pro or Xbox One X since getting this set. Too busy watching Netflix and 4K BR recently. Blacks are important to me for games, because I do play a lot of darker games. I actually have a copy of Metro Exodus waiting in the queue.

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Have you noticed any real difference playing without game mode? I can't (except better image quality with it off), but as I said before, I'm not a "performance gamer."
Yes, it was quite noticeable on the Q900 regarding black levels. To me input lag is a huge deal and I would never buy or play with anything lagging more than 22 ms.

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My viewing eye level is just below the midpoint of the screen. Works for me.
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Yes, it was quite noticeable on the Q900 regarding black levels. To me input lag is a huge deal and I would never buy or play with anything lagging more than 22 ms.

I am also sensitive to input lag. Playing outside of game mode feels straight up nasty and I can instantly recognize it. Navigating a game like this feels like I'm moving on ice skates. 30ms is annoying but can be (barely) tolerable in games that don't require a lot of precision, but 50ms+ is straight up a deal breaker across the board for me.
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Two of us lifted my 82” onto a tv stand which is up inside an elevated recessed platform built into the wall. We had to lift it up ~3ft to get it on the tv stand. It wasn’t easy, but we managed to get it up there! Would have been a lot easier without the heavy metal stand already mounted on the set, as that beast must weigh 30-40 lbs by itself. My tv stand has a glass top and is rated for 160 lbs, so I’m really pushing it to the limit. You can see the glass is flexing slightly in the middle under the weight, but it can’t bend past the metal framed cross bracing on the stand, so I’m confident that it won’t break. Lol

Cross bracing or no, this would scare the bejeezus out of me

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Yes, it was quite noticeable on the Q900 regarding black levels. To me input lag is a huge deal and I would never buy or play with anything lagging more than 22 ms.
I found the culprit! It's Dynamic Black Equalizer. It's supposed to make players hiding in shadows easier to see, and it kills black levels.

Turning it off makes the local dimming much better. Still not quite as good as with game mode off, but quite close to the point where you have to switch back and forth a bit to be sure!

I can't believe they turned this nonsense on by default. What were they thinking! Now I have to fix the video.
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I found the culprit! It's Dynamic Black Equalizer. It's supposed to make players hiding in shadows easier to see, and it kills black levels.



Turning it off makes the local dimming much better. Still not quite as good as with game mode off, but quite close to the point where you have to switch back and forth a bit to be sure!



I can't believe they turned this nonsense on by default. What were they thinking! Now I have to fix the video.
That’s good to hear. I was going to ask you about that setting, but it sounded like you had done enough research to know about it.

Maybe I should just throw in a game already and see for myself. Lol

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That’s good to hear. I was going to ask you about that setting, but it sounded like you had done enough research to know about it.
Yeah, well, sorry about that. You see something called Dynamic Black Equalizer and the last thing you expect is for it to completely ruin black levels. Lesson learned!

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Maybe I should just throw in a game already and see for myself. Lol
Yes! And try it with game mode off too to see if you notice any input lag. Because if you don't, that's how you get the best visuals, at least in my experience.
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