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post #4471 of 6300 Old 06-11-2019, 09:24 AM
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Not understanding Samsung going with a 40x12 array on the 82" vs. the much more sensible 30x16 on the 75". While 30x16 results in nearly square zones on a 16x9 format screen, 40x12 gives taller rectangular zones which would seem to promote some additional blooming. As far as exchanging a TV you're happy with in terms of uniformity and blooming, there's always a risk the new 82" could be worse. Of course it might be just fine, you'll only know for sure when it arrives.
I initially thought the 40x12 arrangement was a bit strange as well. That said, I’m confident the reasons why Samsung chose that arrangement have been well thought out and tested.
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I believe it’s a simple case of doing just enough to beat out your competition. The 85” 950G is the main competition for this 82” Q90 and that set has what, maybe 80-100 zones correct?
IN FALD, in the upper size, Sony has no comparable product to the 90R, there is a gap.

85X950G = to the 82Q80R.
75Z9F but nothing bigger = to the 75Q90R
85Z9G = to the 82Q900R.
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Sleep easy, the 82” is a great set. Blooming control is still very good and mine has great uniformity. I can’t imagine you being happy with the 75” and then not happy with the 82”, in fact I’d be shocked if that were the case.

It goes without saying, that the bigger the screen gets, the more obvious any flaws will become. The minor trade off is worth it for the extra immersion factor your getting from the larger screen imo.

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as for the larger screen showing more flaws, it definitely sucks and is a trade off I'll have to take too. but I have a small fix as a backup just in case it's too bad. I feed all content through my Oppo 203 which has various zoom options and also has a "shrink" that option too. it shrinks it to about 50%.then if you go into the custom ratio option on the TV you can then make that larger and make the screen any size you want to. so you can basically turn it back into a 75 or 70"tv if the source is terrible and it'll go back to being a little sharper and hiding those flaws/noise.
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I initially thought the 40x12 arrangement was a bit strange as well. That said, I’m confident the reasons why Samsung chose that arrangement have been well thought out and tested.

I'm sure they have their reasons. I'm not sold on them being well thought out.
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warranty update :

the company assigned to my case was supposed to call and set up appointment but I didn't hear anything. today I was checking the mail and found a "sorry we missed you" card. of course you missed me you idiots you never set up an appointment lol I called them back and they now can't come back out til next Tuesday. clowns.

as for the larger screen showing more flaws, it definitely sucks and is a trade off I'll have to take too. but I have a small fix as a backup just in case it's too bad. I feed all content through my Oppo 203 which has various zoom options and also has a "shrink" that option too. it shrinks it to about 50%.then if you go into the custom ratio option on the TV you can then make that larger and make the screen any size you want to. so you can basically turn it back into a 75 or 70"tv if the source is terrible and it'll go back to being a little sharper and hiding those flaws/noise.

That sucks about the service call. They aren't exactly giving a positive first impression.
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I'm sure they have their reasons. I'm not sold on them being well thought out.
They wouldn’t just randomly select that layout only for the 82” screen size. There has to be a performance related reason why they chose that arrangement.
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My 82Q90R will be delivered tomorrow. I'm pretty excited and a little hesitant too. This will be my first Samsung TV as I have previously been a Sony stalwart (currently own a 75X940C and 65X930C). After a disastrous experience with the Sony 85X900F late last year I am very hopeful the Q90R will bring me the size AND quality I am looking for. I did try a one week stint with the LG 77C9, but at ~15' back the 77" was just a tad too small for my liking. Otherwise it was a fantastic TV. I've got high hopes for the Q90R.... I just hope my expectations aren't too high....
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They wouldn’t just randomly select that layout for the only for the 82” screen size. There has to be a performance related reason why they chose that arrangement.

I wasn't suggesting it's random, just that I'm not convinced that whatever benefit they gain outweighs the practical arrangement they use on the smaller sizes.
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Don't know how I missed this earlier but just watched it and it was excellent. Thanks!

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Finally got replacement after issues with (I'm assuming) one connect cable and losing sound. Those things are unbelievably fragile

Anyway looking for additional sets of eyes. How's my uniformity?

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Finally got replacement after issues with (I'm assuming) one connect cable and losing sound. Those things are unbelievably fragile



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Finally got replacement after issues with (I'm assuming) one connect cable and losing sound. Those things are unbelievably fragile

Anyway looking for additional sets of eyes. How's my uniformity?

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I’m not really enthusiastic about the different backlight configuration of the 82” tv if it really just has 12 vertical zones rather than 16.

On a wide screen 2.35:1 film, the 16 zones line up perfectly so that 2 zones go dark for the black bars on top and bottom. My 75" has inky black bars above and below a 2.35:1 film like The Lego Movie 2.

But with just 12 zones, 1.5 zones need to go black for the black bars. Not possible. So just one zone will go dark and half a zone will be blooming just above and below the movie. If each zone on the 82" TV is 3.35" tall, that would leave 1.675" of glowing black bar above and below the movie.

Can someone try to grab a photo of this blooming on their 82” tv with a 2.35:1 film?

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I’m not really enthusiastic about the different backlight configuration of the 82” tv if it really just has 12 vertical zones rather than 16.

On a wide screen 2.35:1 film, the 16 zones line up perfectly so that 2 zones go dark for the black bars on top and bottom.

But with just 12 zones, 1.5 zones need to go black for the black bars. Not possible. So just one zone will go dark and half a zone will be blooming just above and below the movie.

Can someone try to grab a photo of this blooming on their 82” tv with a 2.35:1 film?

I already tried, but I couldn't get a good exposure with my cell phone. It doesn't help that my recording/photography skills suck to begin with.



It's not so bad in real world applications, with one exception: bright highlights at the edge of the frame in HDR content. On mine that causes the black bars to light up noticeably. I hesitate to post a photo here because I know what the inevitable hellish response would be.

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I’m not really enthusiastic about the different backlight configuration of the 82” tv if it really just has 12 vertical zones rather than 16.

On a wide screen 2.35:1 film, the 16 zones line up perfectly so that 2 zones go dark for the black bars on top and bottom. My 75" has inky black bars above and below a 2.35:1 film like The Lego Movie 2.

But with just 12 zones, 1.5 zones need to go black for the black bars. Not possible. So just one zone will go dark and half a zone will be blooming just above and below the movie. If each zone on the 82" TV is 3.35" tall, that would leave 1.675" of glowing black bar above and below the movie.

Can someone try to grab a photo of this blooming on their 82” tv with a 2.35:1 film?
I guess you’ll find out soon enough.

I’m very sensitive to blooming and I’m quite happy with how my 82” handles 2.35 bars. In fact, I returned both an 85900F and then a 75Z9F because of what I deemed to be excessive blooming.

That said, the small black bars in some Netflix content are a whole other issue.

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I guess you’ll find out soon enough.



I’m very sensitive to blooming and I’m quite happy with how my 82” handles 2.35 bars. In fact, I returned both an 85900F and then a 75Z9F because of what I deemed to be excessive blooming.



That said, the small black bars in some Netflix content are a whole other issue.


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I’m in a state of paralysis by analysis after reading countless pages of posts on here along with all kinds of reviews online. I’m torn between a Sony 85” X950G and the Samsung 82” Q90R. 85% of my usage is sports (MLB, UFC, NFL) and during NFL season that’s when most of my entertaining goes on with guests viewing from angles. The other 15% is some directv and 4K content via nvidia shield with various apps. My space is a loft consisting of a wide floor plan so when guests are over they sit at angles as extreme as 45 - 55 degrees and up to 15 - 18 feet away. I do have a large window to the side of the TV thats about 4X8 feet that faces west. When I’m personally watching it’s from 12 feet centered up. I’m able to take advantage of Samsung EPP so there is only $600 difference between the two tv’s. Please offer up opinions and help me make a decision! I would like to pull the trigger on the purchase ASAP.

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Launch your game and let it go into game mode then press settings and scroll down to general, go to External Device Manager then go to game mode settings and switch from Auto to Off. This will stop the TV going in to Game Mode when a Game is switched on. Then you can toggle manually if you want the game mode on. What i have found best for Gaming is any HDR Gaming i set it up in Standard Mode, i found this the punchiest and more detailed picture for HDR Games. Ensure HDMI Black Level is set to Low. But for non HDR Games i find it better in Game mode and play about with picture settings to get the best picture for you. The Game Enhancer on mainly for better Sound because from what i have found for Picture is when you use Game Enhancer it just lets you save different Picture Settings in the Expert Settings, because if you set all the expert settings the same for Game Enhancer ON/OFF the picture is exactly the same, so you could set up 2 different picture settings for different kinds of Games, one for darker games and one for brighter more colourfull games. This is just my opinion through messing around, if anyone has any comments im open to suggestions as i am no expert but feel im using the TV to its best for Gaming, i could be wrong tho.
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Launch your game and let it go into game mode then press settings and scroll down to general, go to External Device Manager then go to game mode settings and switch from Auto to Off. This will stop the TV going in to Game Mode when a Game is switched on. Then you can toggle manually if you want the game mode on. What i have found best for Gaming is any HDR Gaming i set it up in Standard Mode, i found this the punchiest and more detailed picture for HDR Games. Ensure HDMI Black Level is set to Low. But for non HDR Games i find it better in Game mode and play about with picture settings to get the best picture for you. The Game Enhancer on mainly for better Sound because from what i have found for Picture is when you use Game Enhancer it just lets you save different Picture Settings in the Expert Settings, because if you set all the expert settings the same for Game Enhancer ON/OFF the picture is exactly the same, so you could set up 2 different picture settings for different kinds of Games, one for darker games and one for brighter more colourfull games. This is just my opinion through messing around, if anyone has any comments im open to suggestions as i am no expert but feel im using the TV to its best for Gaming, i could be wrong tho.
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New firmware available today in the U.S...any takers? Notice any changes, good or bad?

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I really wish Samsung would stop using this canned description for every firmware they release.
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I did the update via USB. I don't really notice anything so far. I checked small black bars on Netflix, and they still suck, so that isn't fixed.
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I don't know if it's intended, but when you're in Standard picture mode, and have the local dimming on Standard as well, it has this drastic dimming effect during credits. If you have local on high it doesn't happen. I was hoping this was fixed with the update, but it wasn't.
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Looks like the Q90R took 4th in the VE Shootout. Not real encouraging.

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Looks like the Q90R took 4th in the VE Shootout. Not real encouraging.
I watched the whole shootout and had a friend who was there. dont worry about the scoring and such. the Q90R did way better than the Q9FN. some people I know attendance were surprised at the final scoring because the Z9F was a disaster and looked washy most of the time. the Z9F got made fun of the entire shootout in the chat room of the video stream. the Q90 wrecked it in the area of blacks and contrast. the biggest surprise was a star field test where the Z9F crushed the stars way worse than the Q90.

it was kinda funny, they did a bloom test with a white dot and the sony was terrible but all you heard was "wow look at the Samsung" from the crowd because the Samsung looked very close to the oleds during this test. shame that Sony has ditched their excellent high zone tvs on affordable tvs. I'll find a time stamp of the video. edit:the video stream hasn't been uploaded yet.

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I watched the whole shootout and had a friend who was there. dont worry about the scoring and such. the Q90R did way better than the Q9FN. some people I know attendance were surprised at the final scoring because the Z9F was a disaster and looked washy most of the time. the Z9F got made fun of the entire shootout in the chat room of the video stream. the Q90 wrecked it in the area of blacks and contrast. the biggest surprise was a star field test where the Z9F crushed the stars way worse than the Q90.

it was kinda funny, they did a bloom test with a white dot and the sony was terrible but all you heard was "wow look at the Samsung" from the crowd because the Samsung looked very close to the oleds during this test. shame that Sony has ditched their excellent high zone tvs on affordable tvs. I'll find a time stamp of the video. edit:the video stream hasn't been uploaded yet.
My 82Q90R just showed up. Talk about timing.... now I'm trying to resist the urge just to send it back and go with the 77A9G despite the fact that 77" is just a tad small for my room. I usually wouldn't put a lot of stock in a shootout as the reality is all of those TVs are excellent. I've just never been much of a fan of Samsung TVs in the past and I am sure it is purely psychological at this point....

Sony 77A9G / Marantz SR-7012 / Martin Logan Motion 60XT, 50XT, Motion 4, Motion FX / 2 x Rythmik FV15HP / AppleTV 4K / ShieldTV / 130TB Plex Server
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