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My 82Q90R just showed up. Talk about timing.... now I'm trying to resist the urge just to send it back and go with the 77A9G despite the fact that 77" is just a tad small for my room. I usually wouldn't put a lot of stock in a shootout as the reality is all of those TVs are excellent. I've just never been much of a fan of Samsung TVs in the past and I am sure it is purely psychological at this point....


if you have a return window, it's worth at least trying and running through some paces. you've come this far, and other 82" owners seem to be happy with theirs.
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The shootout may have gone to the A9G, but the pricing advantage was definitely on the Q90R side... 75" Q90R is about $2200 less than the 77" A9G. The 65" Q90 is about $500 less expensive than the 65" A9G.
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Who here has a PC hooked up to their Q90? I've been having washed out blacks, and finally discovered I needed to have the PC set to full (extended) RGB output instead of limited. Limited is supposed to be the proper format for a PC connected to a TV, and that was the proper setting when using the same PC on my previous TV, but the Q90 seems to definitely require 0-255 to get the full range. I haven't found a setting in the Q90 to change the RGB range. The only thing I can figure is the Q90 is detecting that the input is from a PC and changing the range automatically. Has anyone else experienced this?
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What ever happened to the days where people could judge picture quality for themselves? I don’t need people with different priorities and preferences than my own to tell me what performs best.

What I can tell you is this...whatever OLED they decided to crown 1st in this year’s shootout, definitely WILL NOT outperform my 82Q90 in my medium bright living room. My A1E certainly didn’t and neither does my C8. In a batcave I can probably get on board, but then you are limited to an overpriced 77” as your one and only choice for a ‘moderately immersive’ movie experience.

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I haven't found a setting in the Q90 to change the RGB range.
The Q90R, like other Samsungs for some years, has an "HDMI Black Level" setting; on the Q90R it's under External Device Manager. Normal = Full, Low = Limited.
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The Q90R, like other Samsungs for some years, has an "HDMI Black Level" setting; on the Q90R it's under External Device Manager. Normal = Full, Low = Limited.
Ah, perfect, thanks, I'll check it out! I looked in the video settings and couldn't find it.
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I’m in a state of paralysis by analysis after reading countless pages of posts on here along with all kinds of reviews online. I’m torn between a Sony 85” X950G and the Samsung 82” Q90R. 85% of my usage is sports (MLB, UFC, NFL) and during NFL season that’s when most of my entertaining goes on with guests viewing from angles. The other 15% is some directv and 4K content via nvidia shield with various apps. My space is a loft consisting of a wide floor plan so when guests are over they sit at angles as extreme as 45 - 55 degrees and up to 15 - 18 feet away. I do have a large window to the side of the TV thats about 4X8 feet that faces west. When I’m personally watching it’s from 12 feet centered up. I’m able to take advantage of Samsung EPP so there is only $600 difference between the two tv’s. Please offer up opinions and help me make a decision! I would like to pull the trigger on the purchase ASAP.

Side note: the extra 3” of screen is appealing in the Sony along with their color accuracy and the Samsungs antiglare and angle viewing is also appealing along with it’s deep darks. I currently own a Samsung 82” UN8000. Thanks for the help!
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What ever happened to the days where people could judge picture quality for themselves? I don’t need people with different priorities and preferences than my own to tell me what performs best.

What I can tell you is this...whatever OLED they decided to crown 1st in this year’s shootout, definitely WILL NOT outperform my 82Q90 in my medium bright living room. My A1E certainly didn’t and neither does my C8. In a batcave I can probably get on board, but then you are limited to an overpriced 77” as your one and only choice for a ‘moderately immersive’ movie experience.
actually it was judged purely against the reference TV used for mastering movies. The closer the set is too the reference monitor the higher the scores
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The shootout may have gone to the A9G, but the pricing advantage was definitely on the Q90R side... 75" Q90R is about $2200 less than the 77" A9G. The 65" Q90 is about $500 less expensive than the 65" A9G.
C9 65” is priced identical to Q90R now, but you’re right about the 75” and 82” size - best picture for the price
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Looks like the Q90R took 4th in the VE Shootout. Not real encouraging.
No it took 2nd in LED's.....You are either buying a OLED or LED. Guys pick LED's for many reason's and in some cases its like OLED is not even an option. Of course there is nothing wrong with this. Anyone who is not happy with the top 4 and wants to give it away I will take any of the above.... They are all great sets, I do not need anyone to help me pick, pick one and let it ride, there is no wrong answer......
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Help me out please - debating between a 82" Q90R or the 85" 950G. 85% of my use is sports via Directv box sitting in front of the TV 12 feet back. I have 4X8 foot window in the room. I can get the Samsung Q90R for $600 more than the Sony so they're relatively close in price. Which do I buy?
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Who here has a PC hooked up to their Q90? I've been having washed out blacks, and finally discovered I needed to have the PC set to full (extended) RGB output instead of limited. Limited is supposed to be the proper format for a PC connected to a TV, and that was the proper setting when using the same PC on my previous TV, but the Q90 seems to definitely require 0-255 to get the full range. I haven't found a setting in the Q90 to change the RGB range. The only thing I can figure is the Q90 is detecting that the input is from a PC and changing the range automatically. Has anyone else experienced this?
@Darin (and anyone who connect to PC), i read from some website review that 4K AI Upscaling is NOT WORKING when connected to PC.
Is that true?
How dou you that 4K AI Upscaling is working when playing games or watching movie (using MPCHC/VLC)?
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Who here has a PC hooked up to their Q90? I've been having washed out blacks, and finally discovered I needed to have the PC set to full (extended) RGB output instead of limited. Limited is supposed to be the proper format for a PC connected to a TV, and that was the proper setting when using the same PC on my previous TV, but the Q90 seems to definitely require 0-255 to get the full range. I haven't found a setting in the Q90 to change the RGB range. The only thing I can figure is the Q90 is detecting that the input is from a PC and changing the range automatically. Has anyone else experienced this?
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From AVSForum Q90R Review: The Quantum AI Processor is now available in 4K and incorporates the AI machine learning upscaling which works in most picture modes (except with PC connections and some game mode settings).
Is it true or not?
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Who here has a PC hooked up to their Q90? I've been having washed out blacks, and finally discovered I needed to have the PC set to full (extended) RGB output instead of limited. Limited is supposed to be the proper format for a PC connected to a TV, and that was the proper setting when using the same PC on my previous TV, but the Q90 seems to definitely require 0-255 to get the full range. I haven't found a setting in the Q90 to change the RGB range. The only thing I can figure is the Q90 is detecting that the input is from a PC and changing the range automatically. Has anyone else experienced this?
Will keep this mind!! We HAD our old Sammy with a PC connected to our A/V receiver. I can't a get picture now with our new set in the mix. I'm thinking it's the old HDMI cable which is at least 35 feet (probably 50 feet). We had this setup basically to watch missed TV shows (especially CBS programs) on our old 65". Now we have two options - AirPlay 2 from our iPad (it has worked flawlessly) or I could pickup a cheap Chromecast (it's 1080p - the Ultra would give me 4K) puck and cast the Chrome browser (not only mine but wifey's too) to our home theater...

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Help me out please - debating between a 82" Q90R or the 85" 950G. 85% of my use is sports via Directv box sitting in front of the TV 12 feet back. I have 4X8 foot window in the room. I can get the Samsung Q90R for $600 more than the Sony so they're relatively close in price. Which do I buy?
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Who here has a PC hooked up to their Q90? I've been having washed out blacks, and finally discovered I needed to have the PC set to full (extended) RGB output instead of limited. Limited is supposed to be the proper format for a PC connected to a TV, and that was the proper setting when using the same PC on my previous TV, but the Q90 seems to definitely require 0-255 to get the full range. I haven't found a setting in the Q90 to change the RGB range. The only thing I can figure is the Q90 is detecting that the input is from a PC and changing the range automatically. Has anyone else experienced this?
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From AVSForum Q90R Review: The Quantum AI Processor is now available in 4K and incorporates the AI machine learning upscaling which works in most picture modes (except with PC connections and some game mode settings).
Is it true or not?
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There’s no AI upscaling in movie mode either.
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I guess you’ll find out soon enough.

I’m very sensitive to blooming and I’m quite happy with how my 82” handles 2.35 bars. In fact, I returned both an 85900F and then a 75Z9F because of what I deemed to be excessive blooming.

That said, the small black bars in some Netflix content are a whole other issue.
Well, I found out. They delivered the 82" TV today, and I immediately put on a widescreen movie The Maze Runner. I couldn't keep the 82". The blooming into the previously jet black bars was just too much. I would have been staring at the flaw every time I watched a movie. I felt bad for the Geek Squad guys, but they had no problem with leaving me with the 75" TV.
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Well, I found out. They delivered the 82" TV today, and I immediately put on a widescreen movie The Maze Runner. I couldn't keep the 82". The blooming into the previously jet black bars was just too much. I would have been staring at the flaw every time I watched a movie. I felt bad for the Geek Squad guys, but they had no problem with leaving me with the 75" TV.
That’s too bad. Each to his own.

Like I said, I see some minor blooming into my 2.35 bars every now and then, but certainly not in the deal breaker category. I use bias lighting as well, which makes it barely noticeable when it’s there anyway.

Enjoy your 75”!
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2019 Samsung Q90R Owners Thread (No Price Talk)

I think overall it was a great shootout for the q90r. You can’t just look at the results. The results favor the sets that match closer to reference, but most people that buy Samsung don’t really set up their tvs to look close to directors intent. I think this shootout debunked the myth of lower contrast on the 2019 compared to the 2018 model. Shadow detail on the Q9fn in last years shootout was a joke but this year it hung in there in a lot of scenes. The rhetoric that seems to be quite popular amongst some bias individuals that the q90r was a step back in terms of contrast, was invalidated in this shootout.
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Those of you who plan on getting SquareTrade through Costco, it's no longer valid for TVs purchased outside of Costco. It's on Costco's website.
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That’s too bad. Each to his own.

Like I said, I see some minor blooming into my 2.35 bars every now and then, but certainly not in the deal breaker category. I use bias lighting as well, which makes it barely noticeable when it’s there anyway.

Enjoy your 75”!
Oh I definitely am! It's a gorgeous display! I'm going to miss the 82"'s size for sure, though. I wish I knew why they felt they had to change the zones!
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Btw, the 82” One Connect box is like twice the size of the 75”!
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Oh I definitely am! It's a gorgeous display! I'm going to miss the 82"'s size for sure, though. I wish I knew why they felt they had to change the zones!

This is an unconventional fix but this issue may be quick fixed by turning off screen to fit and custom zooming 2% up and 2% wide, this will will expand the picture about 1-2" and will match the zones and bars up more appropriately.
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Btw, the 82” One Connect box is like twice the size of the 75”!
this was how it was with the larger 8k sets from last year. those sets needed more power and were also brighter. I wonder if the 82" is brighter than the 65 and 75?
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There’s no AI upscaling in movie mode either.
Link to source?
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It's also a different One Connect cable, at least for the extended version. I believe it's due to increased power demands.
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Link to source?
Scroll to “Picture quality”:

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/review....&id=1557215154

Also read the linked Q900R review.

Avforums hints at this in their podcast podcast reviewing the Q90R as well.

I’ve been doing my own evaluation (just by eye) and it’s obvious that the upscaling is different in standard and movie mode. I prefer the more natural movie mode upscaling. AI upscaling is a bit too aggressive in my opinion.
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Et tu Vinny?!

I made up my mind and felt good about Samsung 82” Q90r over the Sony 85” X950G then Vincent drops this video

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Why what was wrong with that. Just trying to help someone with game mode???
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the 950g is a good bright room tv with bright content, but it's an abomination with darker content.

Avforums did a side by side comparison with the lowly Q70 and got embarrassed off the stage in terms of blacks and dark scene performance.

you make tweaks and adjustments to help the crush on the Samsung's, but nothing you can do can fix the bloom and bleed issues on the 950g.



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