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Interesting. I don’t use the internal Netflix app, never have, as I stream Netflix from my ATV4K. I do stream Amazon Prime Video from the internal app though, to get HDR10+ support, and blacks are rock solid. I’ve actually compared directly to the Amazon Prime Video app on my ATV4K when I was doing some HDR10 vs HDR10+ comparisons.
Netflix was the only one I had trouble with. I don't bother with it now so maybe this last update fixed it. I get better audio support with the shield anyway so I try to always use that.
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Is anyone using bias lighting?
If so, what size tv, what usb port in the OCB and what brand lighting?
What is your take on if it improves the picture or letterbox bars appearing blacker.
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2) I.e. not controlled/supplied by USB but dimmed Philips Hue lighting to provide the controlled lighting.
3) Yes for sure. Remember that perceived black is a relative thing and that is what matters.
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1) Yes (in the broad sense but not only behind the screen).
2) I.e. not controlled/supplied by USB but dimmed Philips Hue lighting to provide the controlled lighting.
3) Yes for sure. Remember that perceived black is a relative thing and that is what matters.
The Q90R solves the "screen reflection problem" for me because I don't like watching in complete darkness. The dimmed lighting and the Q90R anti-reflection gives me a screen that is perceived as black with no visible reflections.
1) True tv bias lighting is only behind the tv.

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So it looks like 75 Q90 has developed a huge dark patch at the top of my tv. It goes away after turning the tv off and on for a little bit. It’s almost like a shadow.
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So it looks like 75 Q90 has developed a huge dark patch at the top of my tv. It goes away after turning the tv off and on for a little bit. It’s almost like a shadow.
So basically after the TV warms up it goes away? Interesting, keep an eye on it, get it looked at if it is bothering you.
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1) True tv bias lighting is only behind the tv.
That is essential if you see reflected light in the screen (wich has been the norm for many years with reflective panels). My observation is that the Q90R anti-reflection performance changes that.
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Is anyone using bias lighting?
If so, what size tv, what usb port in the OCB and what brand lighting?
What is your take on if it improves the picture or letterbox bars appearing blacker.
Thank you.

I've been using these raw LED since my old LG. I built the frame out of scrap 1x2 I had sitting around. Painted the frame to match the wall, attached the LEDs, & ran the controls to a dimmer I put behind my couch.

So, to answer you question:
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Don't know if the letter box is blacker, but it feels like it makes your eyes adjust to the picture better for sure, but this could just be in our heads...
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I've been using these raw LED since my old LG. I built the frame out of scrap 1x2 I had sitting around. Painted the frame to match the wall, attached the LEDs, & ran the controls to a dimmer I put behind my couch.

So, to answer you question:
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None. Brand I don't remember, they are 12v lighting though from an ID store.
Don't know if the letter box is blacker, but it feels like it makes your eyes adjust to the picture better for sure, but this could just be in our heads...
Nice frame. Sometimes people do outstanding craftsmanship, and it's hidden.
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Glad it was resolved! I didn't even think of that. Eco mode is definitely hit or miss for reliability. On earlier versions of the OS, I had to reset my TV because eco mode wouldn't stop controlling the brightness despite being shut off.

Now go enjoy the picture!

Thanks. And I figured out why the problem only occurred in the Standard setting. It turns out that in my other modes I had the eco backlight limiter turned off.
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Tech came out and replaced my one connect box and knock on wood haven't had an issue, He is bringing back out a cable as well since they didn't send it just to be safe.

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Of course where the OLED argument really breaks down is when you want a TV bigger than 65”...mortgage the house! Zero value at that price point (in Canada 10k cdn). The Q90r becomes extra interesting at 75” and above.

I have an LG OLED on my main floor. It’s beautiful, it really is, but the HDR performance while amazing always has me wishing for more peak brightness though. And the room it’s in illustrates daily how I wish it had better anti reflective qualities.

I have my Samsung 82" Q90R in my living room and my 77" LG C9 in the bedroom.


I actually don't mind the brightness of my LG as it looks very good even not as bright. In fact I actually lowered the brightness of the Q90R AND the LG C9 because I felt them to be too bright in the default settings. (in all modes)


But like you, the reflections on the OLED bother me a lot in that I can clearly see one of the bedroom windows and everything outside the window as well on the TV screen and this doesn't vary from whether the TV is turned on or off. (though this occurs much more during the day than at night as at night the reflections diminish)


But while it may be less striking on the Q90R than the C9, I can clearly see the stand with the lightbulbs on the back wall which faces the Q90R. Besides solidly seeing the bulbs reflected in the screen, it actually has a purple tint of lots of bulbs spread out all across the width of the screen. (which I should add does diminish somewhat when the TV is turned on but nevertheless it's still there) I can also clearly see the window in the living room (though not as striking as the window in the bedroom reflected off the C9) located to the left side of the TV.


It actually makes me wonder why people make such a big deal about the anti reflective feature in the Q90R. It almost makes me wonder if my TV has less of the anti reflective material than others.
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But while it may be less striking on the Q90R than the C9, I can clearly see the stand with the lightbulbs on the back wall which faces the Q90R. Besides solidly seeing the bulbs reflected in the screen, it actually has a purple tint of lots of bulbs spread out all across the width of the screen. (which I should add does diminish somewhat when the TV is turned on but nevertheless it's still there) I can also clearly see the window in the living room (though not as striking as the window in the bedroom reflected off the C9) located to the left side of the TV.


It actually makes me wonder why people make such a big deal about the anti reflective feature in the Q90R. It almost makes me wonder if my TV has less of the anti reflective material than others.
Yes, the "black hole" reviews that triggered my interest are somewhat exaggerated. But (as I posted in the other Q90R owners thread) I bought the QE55Q90R mostly because the improved anti reflection construction. I wouldn't (anyway) recommend anyone to use it in a room without light control, that like me, values to see the picture without ANY reflections.

But with dimmed bias light when watching, the screen is to me perceived as black when it should be black.
I can mention that the bright point source lights (light bulbs) that shines in a narrow angle onto the screen (i.e. from far outside the viewing angle makes the antireflection design in the panel to act like a light guide. Giving a streak of faint light reflection across the whole screen. (Just avoiding point sources makes this effect weak enough so I can't see it.) I think it is the "wide angle" construction that also attenuates the brightness of reflections by spreading them out horizontally. As long as the reflected brightness is low enough they can be "invisible".
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I’m curious if anyone here knows if the built in Hulu app offers 4K resolution? I know that the PS4 Pro Hulu app does, but I don’t know if any TVs built in apps (or outboard streamers) offer this. Also does anyone know if DC Universe is available through the TV?

According to this it’s available on few streamers. Not sure about the built in app. I’ve yet to find anything I normally watch on Hulu in 4K though.


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I ordered this TV from Amazon and its being delivered today. It shipped across country from Cali to the Philly area where I am. I know its recommended to open and check it before the delivery guy leaves, but are they obligated to wait for me to inspect? I just imagine them dumping it and running, and I don't want to inconvenience them by making them wait while I open and inspect, but I really should, yes?

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I ordered this TV from Amazon and its being delivered today. It shipped across country from Cali to the Philly area where I am. I know its recommended to open and check it before the delivery guy leaves, but are they obligated to wait for me to inspect? I just imagine them dumping it and running, and I don't want to inconvenience them by making them wait while I open and inspect, but I really should, yes?


I would certainly ask.


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I ordered this TV from Amazon and its being delivered today. It shipped across country from Cali to the Philly area where I am. I know its recommended to open and check it before the delivery guy leaves, but are they obligated to wait for me to inspect? I just imagine them dumping it and running, and I don't want to inconvenience them by making them wait while I open and inspect, but I really should, yes?
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I ordered this TV from Amazon and its being delivered today. It shipped across country from Cali to the Philly area where I am. I know its recommended to open and check it before the delivery guy leaves, but are they obligated to wait for me to inspect? I just imagine them dumping it and running, and I don't want to inconvenience them by making them wait while I open and inspect, but I really should, yes?

is it coming from Video and Audio Center? lol yes definitely inspect. Just let them know that there have been issues with tvs traveling across the country. I've gotten 2 smashed 82Q90R's over the past month coming from Cali.
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Would I be fine using the TVs app channels or would it be better to get an Apple TV 4K or Roku Ultra? Does the TV do 5.1 out via optical with its built in apps? Also does the TV do 5.1 pass through and output 5.1 via optical if I connect an ATV4K or Roku Ultra?

I would just go through a pre-pro and then to the TV with HDMI, but my current processor (Marantz AV8801) is only HDMI ver. 1.4 so I can’t. At some point I’ll get an AV8805, but for now I have to go HDMI into the TV and out via optical to the processor.

Any issues by doing it this way?
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Would I be fine using the TVs app channels or would it be better to get an Apple TV 4K or Roku Ultra? Does the TV do 5.1 out via optical with its built in apps? Also does the TV do 5.1 pass through and output 5.1 via optical if I connect an ATV4K or Roku Ultra?

I would just go through a pre-pro and then to the TV with HDMI, but my current processor (Marantz AV8801) is only HDMI ver. 1.4 so I can’t. At some point I’ll get an AV8805, but for now I have to go HDMI into the TV and out via optical to the processor.

Any issues by doing it this way?
Yes, the TV does pass 5.1 via Optical with its built in apps.

I use the TV apps for Netflix, Amazon Prime, Vudu, & YouTube regularly. They look as good to me as the same Apps on my DP-UB820.

You should check out the TV apps first and you can always buy an ATV4K or Roku Ultra later if you're not happy.
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Would I be fine using the TVs app channels or would it be better to get an Apple TV 4K or Roku Ultra? Does the TV do 5.1 out via optical with its built in apps? Also does the TV do 5.1 pass through and output 5.1 via optical if I connect an ATV4K or Roku Ultra?

I would just go through a pre-pro and then to the TV with HDMI, but my current processor (Marantz AV8801) is only HDMI ver. 1.4 so I can’t. At some point I’ll get an AV8805, but for now I have to go HDMI into the TV and out via optical to the processor.

Any issues by doing it this way?
Nice processor, I'm running the AV7702mkII. I run all sources though it, one hdmi to the tv. Logitech elite remote handles everything. Very simple set up. You'll get Dolby Atmos which you will not get through ARC or optical. eARC may or may not come to the Q90R. Must have an AVR or Processor with eARC too. If you do get the 4k Apple TV box or Roku Ultra, connect it to your processor, you'll get Atmos (if you're running that) plus lossless. Optical does not pass Dolby HD or DTS master.

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Yes, the "black hole" reviews that triggered my interest are somewhat exaggerated. But (as I posted in the other Q90R owners thread) I bought the QE55Q90R mostly because the improved anti reflection construction. I wouldn't (anyway) recommend anyone to use it in a room without light control, that like me, values to see the picture without ANY reflections.

But with dimmed bias light when watching, the screen is to me perceived as black when it should be black.
I can mention that the bright point source lights (light bulbs) that shines in a narrow angle onto the screen (i.e. from far outside the viewing angle makes the antireflection design in the panel to act like a light guide. Giving a streak of faint light reflection across the whole screen. (Just avoiding point sources makes this effect weak enough so I can't see it.) I think it is the "wide angle" construction that also attenuates the brightness of reflections by spreading them out horizontally. As long as the reflected brightness is low enough they can be "invisible".

Regarding your 'black hole' comment I agree with you at least as far as my TV is concerned.


I am thinking it may be a good idea to install the dim lights you are speaking of around the TV to diminish this effect. The problem is my wife likes to watch TV with the overhead lights on which I assume would negate the effect of the dim lighting. Am I correct in this assumption?
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Samsung will send in a tech. I clearly have an issue with my Q90


How long have you had it?


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I ordered this TV from Amazon and its being delivered today. It shipped across country from Cali to the Philly area where I am. I know its recommended to open and check it before the delivery guy leaves, but are they obligated to wait for me to inspect? I just imagine them dumping it and running, and I don't want to inconvenience them by making them wait while I open and inspect, but I really should, yes?
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