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I was referring to the dynamic range slider, not the HDR optimizer.
Are you saying that you lower your overall brightness, but then bump up the dynamic range slider on the UB820 to retain bright highlights and this somehow lessens blooming?

Hmmm...I may have to investigate further. Then again, I run my HDR brightness maxed out and have no significant issues anyway.
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Are you saying that you lower your overall brightness, but then bump up the dynamic range slider on the UB820 to retain bright highlights and this somehow lessens blooming?

Hmmm...I may have to investigate further. Then again, I run my HDR brightness maxed out and have no significant issues anyway.


Yes. But on the Q90 you have to be careful going too high. On my Q9FN, it could be really cranked up because of the super aggressive dimming and would bring back lost shadow detail that most people complained about that was missing. The Q90 is not as forgiving.
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Yes. But on the Q90 you have to be careful going too high. On my Q9FN, it could be really cranked up because of the super aggressive dimming and would bring back lost shadow detail that most people complained about that was missing. The Q90 is not as forgiving.
Thanks for the tip. I will give this a look when I get a chance.
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Starting to enjoy the set more and more. I'm still tinkering with the settings but having fun trying to dial it in .

I'm curious if anyone prefers the contrast enhancer on at all with hdr? With it off, I find the hdr image is a bit dim and this is at 50 backlight. It doesn't really pop until I set this to low. High seems too much.

I also tried turning up the brightness a notch to get some detail in the black areas but not sure if I'll settle on leaving that there or not. I haven't tried messing with the gamma at all despite rtings mentioning that (and the contrast enhancer/brightness) being things to brighten the hdr image.

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Starting to enjoy the set more and more. I'm still tinkering with the settings but having fun trying to dial it in .

I'm curious if anyone prefers the contrast enhancer on at all with hdr? With it off, I find the hdr image is a bit dim and this is at 50 backlight. It doesn't really pop until I set this to low. High seems too much.

I also tried turning up the brightness a notch to get some detail in the black areas but not sure if I'll settle on leaving that there or not. I haven't tried messing with the gamma at all despite rtings mentioning that (and the contrast enhancer/brightness) being things to brighten the hdr image.

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I have dimming on high, contrast enhance on low, color on 30 and color temp warm 2 and that is giving great HDR. Contrast enhancer needs to be on low for HDR or its too dark. I have the backlight at about 35 and it's plenty bright, punchy, and with inky blacks.

97% of the time no DSE, but when I see it...we all know. lol. Motion still bothering me, so I have it on 0/3 with AMP on Custom and I am dealing with the occasional artifacts. Can't figure out why the js8500 and js9000 I still have get motion perfect and this set can't. No issues with the dimming at all, except for the DSP that I think is probably caused by variance in LED brightness. IMO they should be matched in a set like this. Heck, maybe they are.

This is where mini leds will help. Since each zone will really be 25 mini leds, the variance will average out so the zones are perfect. The diffuser panel can't smooth out the variations well enough, which is why I think these high-zone FALD sets all have some DSE.

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Yes. But on the Q90 you have to be careful going too high. On my Q9FN, it could be really cranked up because of the super aggressive dimming and would bring back lost shadow detail that most people complained about that was missing. The Q90 is not as forgiving.
Agree. I dialed back the backlight for a better picture overall. The HDR highlights went down a little, but the overall benefit of reducing the backlight made it OK to loose a little "flashiness".
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Starting to enjoy the set more and more. I'm still tinkering with the settings but having fun trying to dial it in .

I'm curious if anyone prefers the contrast enhancer on at all with hdr? With it off, I find the hdr image is a bit dim and this is at 50 backlight. It doesn't really pop until I set this to low. High seems too much.

I also tried turning up the brightness a notch to get some detail in the black areas but not sure if I'll settle on leaving that there or not. I haven't tried messing with the gamma at all despite rtings mentioning that (and the contrast enhancer/brightness) being things to brighten the hdr image.

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I use contrast enhancer on low as well. As you noticed, HDR really pops with it set to low. Beyond low is overkill.
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RE: Atmos and audio return.

Am I correct in assuming that this TV cannot bitstream natively but converts everything to PCM.

The DD+ options creates a passable Dolby effect for music on the center channel.

PCM, DD, or DD+, which one do I choose? Or am I bettter off using my 4k BD player's Netflix and Amazon
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Was ready to go with the Samsung q90 but am troubled by the One Connect that now includes the power in the cord. We spent big bucks to have a contractor meet code and place an outlet in our wall at TV level to plug our current wall mounted into, and then I run the HDMI and audio cords up an adjacent PVC pipe behind the wall. I understand prior One Connect boxes were thin enough to hide behind the TV, but the larger boxes that contain power shouldnt be hidden behind the TV? Is that true? Even one "nearly invisible" cable haging down is going backwards for me and I imagine many looking to spend 2K on a TV have gone through the trouble of gettting all wirest out of sight. Any advice?
Why not run the one connect cable in the Adjacent PVC? The One connect is likely long enough or I understand that longer ones can be purchased.
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Why not run the one connect cable in the Adjacent PVC? The One connect is likely long enough or I understand that longer ones can be purchased.
I was going to do that until I realized since the wire is not rated for in wall use, one is not supposed to do that, and we live in a coop apartment, so in case of fire, insurance wont pay damages and there could be a liability. BUT-- I realize most people will just drop the wire down the wall or the pvc pipe, and it will all probably be OK. Samsungs invention is encouraging people to go against electrical code. Going to go with the C80 instead. I will never be able to tell the difference between the c80 and c90 in practical use.
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... The One connect is likely long enough or I understand that longer ones can be purchased.
Be aware that the 15m "invisible connection" that is available does not seem to be compatible with 2019 models. I thought it would but an answer on a Samsung site says it's not. (I have edited my previous post where I wrote about it.)
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I hear you, but it's a $5,000 TV, so i have a difficult time accepting those settings as necessary to make the TV 'work' properly. It's like buying a sports car, and you are told, make sure not to go over 60 or you will start to have problems with the engine.
No its like buying a early model Z06 and if you "race" it for like 20 mins or longer it will start having heating issues......Just another glitch....No matter how much you spend, you can have issues.
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No its like buying a early model Z06 and if you "race" it for like 20 mins or longer it will start having heating issues......Just another glitch....No matter how much you spend, you can have issues.
No its not. If your sportcar is not capable go over 60 there is something wrong. That is not glitch; its false car, not worth so much money
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Be aware that the 15m "invisible connection" that is available does not seem to be compatible with 2019 models. I thought it would but an answer on a Samsung site says it's not. (I have edited my previous post where I wrote about it.)

There is a 15m cable available for the 2019 models. It works just fine.

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I guess I should have jumped while these were on sale. Once again, out of my price range. Even on sale it was crazy expensive.
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I guess I should have jumped while these were on sale. Once again, out of my price range. Even on sale it was crazy expensive.
I just saw a ridiculous price on the 82 that made me question having just got the 75. PM me if you want the details.

Black Friday is a month away too, and while it's usually cheap, disposable sets that go on sale, sometimes premium sets get good mark downs too.

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I was going to do that until I realized since the wire is not rated for in wall use, one is not supposed to do that, and we live in a coop apartment, so in case of fire, insurance wont pay damages and there could be a liability. BUT-- I realize most people will just drop the wire down the wall or the pvc pipe, and it will all probably be OK. Samsungs invention is encouraging people to go against electrical code. Going to go with the C80 instead. I will never be able to tell the difference between the c80 and c90 in practical use.
There is a 15 foot one-connect cable that is designed for in-wall use. Just google samsung one connect in wall

I have one but did not end up using it and went with the supplied cable routed in a reasonably unobtrusive way.

Being lazy, i’ll Just throw it in the junk drawer.

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There is a 15 foot one-connect cable that is designed for in-wall use. Just google samsung one connect in wall

I have one but did not end up using it and went with the supplied cable routed in a reasonably unobtrusive way.

Being lazy, i’ll Just throw it in the junk drawer.
Eeek, thanks Larry, I was not aware! I thought I was doing pretty well researching before purchase, but when I asked about these specific in-wall issues and complained to the samsung rep on the phone , he did not mention that an in wall cable was available. The Best Buy Magnolia guy wasnt aware either. My C80 is due to be installed next week and that will have to be "good enough!"
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New member and first post here. Just got a 65inch Q90R and still exploring the various features that this TV presents. The anti-relfective filter is nothing less than amazing and am glad I went for this TV over others.


I was hoping any of the UK members here can direct me how to access the Freeview/HD on this TV? I see that this TV does present this capability reading through various websites but for the life of me cannot figure out how does it work.


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If I understand you correctly you need to select Live TV. BBC 1 HD would be channel 101, BBC 2 102 and so on.
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Still waiting for the eARC update...
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Wow. Game motion plus is super cool. The dreaded soap opera effect is actually a miracle for low framerate console games, now that the processing power is fast enough to do it with low latency. In fact, I think this tech may be the answer to future gaming tech, where GPU power seems to have hit a plateau but resolutions and graphic complexity continue to increase.

IMO this pretty much makes this the best gaming TV out there. I bought it for movies, but my kids are playing some xbox games right now and the motion smoothness is blowing my mind.
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Wow. Game motion plus is super cool. The dreaded soap opera effect is actually a miracle for low framerate console games, now that the processing power is fast enough to do it with low latency. In fact, I think this tech may be the answer to future gaming tech, where GPU power seems to have hit a plateau but resolutions and graphic complexity continue to increase.



IMO this pretty much makes this the best gaming TV out there. I bought it for movies, but my kids are playing some xbox games right now and the motion smoothness is blowing my mind.
Any good games to try it with? I tried it on God of war and it felt like there were a lot of artifacts.

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My kids are playing an xbox 360 lego game and it looks like it's rendering in 120fps. I am not seeing any artifacts on this one either.

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Still waiting for the eARC update...
would be nice to have some news on this as it would solve the lip sync issues I'm having
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Why do you think eARC would solve the excessive audio delay (that affects Dolby Digital and DTS from external source)?

Maybe you are optimistic and think that Samsung surely would verify correct delay function this time ... or does a claimed "eARC" functionality require an independent certification by HDMI-org (in a way that "ARC" doesn't) that also includes external sources?
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I would like eARC for forward compatability...Especially since my Onkyo also received the firmware update.

That said, I'm not sure it would provide any noticeable improvements today.

I would still like a greater commitment from Samsung to support OS and firmware updates.


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Why do you think eARC would solve the excessive audio delay (that affects Dolby Digital and DTS from external source)?

Maybe you are optimistic and think that Samsung surely would verify correct delay function this time ... or does a claimed "eARC" functionality require an independent certification by HDMI-org (in a way that "ARC" doesn't) that also includes external sources?
Audio delay is one of the big issues with ARC that was supposedly corrected with eARC.

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Audio delay is one of the big issues with ARC that was supposedly corrected with eARC.
To my understanding, there is an option available already in previous HDMI standards so that the TV can inform the audio amplifier how much the audio shall be delayed to match the video delay in the TV. The problem with our Samsung TV is, however, that the TV delays (in certain cases) the audio much more than the video. This is also the case on the S/PDIF (opto) output. It seems that eARC (or is it rather HDMI 2.1?) mandates this delay information. If the audio already is delayed too much, it will not work.
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eARC never going to happen on this model TV
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