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HDR picture settings on the 82Q90R.



Some of us have noticed very inconsistent dimming on the Q90 so i did some testing of the internal apps with HDR and external apps with HDR.

Ill try to give a quick summary without getting too overcomplicated.

Internal Apps HDR:

-Movie mode dimming:

Low: NO
Standard: YES
High: YES

Standard Mode Dimming:

Low: NO
Standard: YES
HIGH: NO

HDR+Mode (activated in service menu)

Low: NO
Standard: YES
High: YES

External Devices with HDR:

Movie mode:

Low: NO
Standard: YES
High: YES

Standard Mode Dimming:

Low: YES
Standard: YES
HIGH: YES

HDR+ Mode:

Low: NO
Standard: YES
High: YES


Even when the dimming is working, i still get blooming on my 82" so its not perfect (especially when the dimming is set to high).. but in the modes where dimming is not working, it looks like the dimming is off completely. make sure you adjust accordingly. Biggest takeaway is do not use Standard with LD on high for HDR on the internal apps!

also, my 82" is scorchingly bright with LD on high still tends to raise the black floor, gotta dial down the backlight to at least 35.


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My 82” Q90R’s internal apps black levels in 4K HDR went from looking good to downright phenomenal! By switching from LD High to Standard the difference is night and day! I never would have guessed that Standard local dimming would look way way better than using High.

Wow! Color me blown away! Blacks that were a tad milky and cloudy in the darkest scenes, now look inky black with no hint of clouding. The blacks on 4K HDR content on the internal apps now look as good as my Sony Z9D! And this includes Netflix.

I really cannot thank you enough! My enjoyment of my Q90R really went up to another level now. Thanks again, I really appreciate you taking the time to share the settings and comparison photos.
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HDR picture settings on the 82Q90R.







Some of us have noticed very inconsistent dimming on the Q90 so i did some testing of the internal apps with HDR and external apps with HDR.



Ill try to give a quick summary without getting too overcomplicated.



Internal Apps HDR:



-Movie mode dimming:



Low: NO

Standard: YES

High: YES



Standard Mode Dimming:



Low: NO

Standard: YES

HIGH: NO



HDR+Mode (activated in service menu)



Low: NO

Standard: YES

High: YES



External Devices with HDR:



Movie mode:



Low: NO

Standard: YES

High: YES



Standard Mode Dimming:



Low: YES

Standard: YES

HIGH: YES



HDR+ Mode:



Low: NO

Standard: YES

High: YES





Even when the dimming is working, i still get blooming on my 82" so its not perfect (especially when the dimming is set to high).. but in the modes where dimming is not working, it looks like the dimming is off completely. make sure you adjust accordingly. Biggest takeaway is do not use Standard with LD on high for HDR on the internal apps!



also, my 82" is scorchingly bright with LD on high still tends to raise the black floor, gotta dial down the backlight to at least 35.





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Nice job with this . Did you hear to notice if there were any quality differences with an external streaming device opposed to using the internal apps? Details, Blacks lvls, anything besides the dimming algorithm.

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I did the same thing and did not realized that there were Samsung spacers I needed to use. I used two 2.5mm spacers in between my Kanto FMX3 mount bracket and TV. The brackets attached to the TV pretty sturdy. Should I take the TV down and use the Samsung spacers or should I be ok?
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Why did you use any spacer? It looked pretty flat to me.

I think the spacer you have is fine. I actually removed the tv and went to put the spacers in but liked it more without and left them off. Even called Sanus support they said leave them off.

But now I’m still second guessing it.
The only time you need spacers are if your bolts are to long or you are using a tilt mount and want more tilt........ I would not second guess anything nor take a TV down to use them
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I have thought from the beginning that the Apple TV PQ was better than the internal apps, so I have used it for everything except xfinity TV app, which is not available yet on Apple TV.

IMO, Apple TV 4K is the best streaming source you can get at the moment. The q90r and ATV4K complement each other well. I can see the desire to use the internal apps though too. This year's sets are the fastest smart TVs I have seen yet.

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I have thought from the beginning that the Apple TV PQ was better than the internal apps, so I have used it for everything except xfinity TV app, which is not available yet on Apple TV.

IMO, Apple TV 4K is the best streaming source you can get at the moment. The q90r and ATV4K complement each other well. I can see the desire to use the internal apps though too. This year's sets are the fastest smart TVs I have seen yet.
If you've tried Disney+ with your ATV, can you obtain 5.1 audio? The internal app only gets 2.0 but I've heard ATV does receive 5.1.
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If you've tried Disney+ with your ATV, can you obtain 5.1 audio? The internal app only gets 2.0 but I've heard ATV does receive 5.1.
Yes it works correctly. PQ is amazing. I can't believe how well Star Wars was re-mastered.

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Has anyone done any testing on the 75" model with the HDR black levels in the internal apps? I'm playing around with it now on Netflix, and not seeing the same drastic results others seem to be having with the 82"
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Yes it works correctly. PQ is amazing. I can't believe how well Star Wars was re-mastered.
I wasn't crazy about the prequals, but my god, they look amazing. Bravo disney on the remaster.
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Hi everyone,

I found a post on the AV Forums about the Samsung Q9FN not being able to handle film grain content in dark scenes.

Here is the post:

https://www.avforums.com/threads/sam...ntent.2201767/

Here is the video of the issue from the OP;

https://youtu.be/429OR_DemRk

The scene is from Netflix series Defenders S01 E01 35 min 10 sec.

I decided to give that scene a try with my Q90R 82 inch and I got similar results when I had my picture mode in Standard and Vivid. It was worst in vivid due to the higher brightness. Can someone do a similar test with their Q90? I am wondering if I have a defective panel or if it’️s just a problem with the Samsung TV sets. I tested the same scene on my LG 65” E8 oled and it doesn’️t have that issue. Thanks for the help.
I see something similar but Ive never seen it before so I believe that to be something source related causing something to trip up. Definitely not as bad as that Q9FN either.
Thanks for checking this out for me. Mine is also not as bad as that Q9FN. I was hoping it wasn’t just my panel.
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HDR picture settings on the 82Q90R.



Some of us have noticed very inconsistent dimming on the Q90 so i did some testing of the internal apps with HDR and external apps with HDR.

Ill try to give a quick summary without getting too overcomplicated.

Internal Apps HDR:

-Movie mode dimming:

Low: NO
Standard: YES
High: YES

Standard Mode Dimming:

Low: NO
Standard: YES
HIGH: NO

HDR+Mode (activated in service menu)

Low: NO
Standard: YES
High: YES

External Devices with HDR:

Movie mode:

Low: NO
Standard: YES
High: YES

Standard Mode Dimming:

Low: YES
Standard: YES
HIGH: YES

HDR+ Mode:

Low: NO
Standard: YES
High: YES


Even when the dimming is working, i still get blooming on my 82" so its not perfect (especially when the dimming is set to high).. but in the modes where dimming is not working, it looks like the dimming is off completely. make sure you adjust accordingly. Biggest takeaway is do not use Standard with LD on high for HDR on the internal apps!

also, my 82" is scorchingly bright with LD on high still tends to raise the black floor, gotta dial down the backlight to at least 35.


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Excellent post. I also followed your advice and my 82 inch Q90 looks spectacular. It looks as good as my LG E8 Oled.

I also have mine set to standard when watching movies. When you watch HDR content to you have your backlight set to 35 instead of 50?
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I have thought from the beginning that the Apple TV PQ was better than the internal apps, so I have used it for everything except xfinity TV app, which is not available yet on Apple TV.

IMO, Apple TV 4K is the best streaming source you can get at the moment. The q90r and ATV4K complement each other well. I can see the desire to use the internal apps though too. This year's sets are the fastest smart TVs I have seen yet.
I am seriously considering getting an Apple TV 4K streamer, as I want to watch Disney+ and DC Universe in 4K HDR with 5.1 sound. I’m curious, how do you have your Apple TV 4K connected? Is it going HDMI into the Q90R, or HDMI to a receiver/processor then HDMI to the TV?

Also, are you experiencing any lip sync issues using your Apple TV 4K?
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I tried HDR content on my 75” with LD standard, but I had to raise backlight all the way to 50 in that configuration. I still prefer it with backlight @ 30 and LD on high.

Also finally got on the schedule to have this calibrated on Dec. 2. Will be interesting to see where it ends up.


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blooming game mode ?

i was playing the new star wars are black levels suppose to be that bad on game mode i mean there is blooming everywhere
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I am seriously considering getting an Apple TV 4K streamer, as I want to watch Disney+ and DC Universe in 4K HDR with 5.1 sound. I’m curious, how do you have your Apple TV 4K connected? Is it going HDMI into the Q90R, or HDMI to a receiver/processor then HDMI to the TV?



Also, are you experiencing any lip sync issues using your Apple TV 4K?

ATV4 > receiver > TV

I’ve only had lip sync issues a couple times, but that was in Plex. Don’t recall having any in other apps. I think sync issues come in more if you’re using internal apps and using ARC.


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i was playing the new star wars are black levels suppose to be that bad on game mode i mean there is blooming everywhere


I've seen alot of complaints about blacks being bad with game mode. Unless u absolutely need the game mode advantages, I'd leave it off.

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Excellent post. I also followed your advice and my 82 inch Q90 looks spectacular. It looks as good as my LG E8 Oled.

I also have mine set to standard when watching movies. When you watch HDR content to you have your backlight set to 35 instead of 50?

Yes I set to 35 or lower but I also use some external settings on my Panasonic and Oppo 4k Blu Ray players.

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ATV4 > receiver > TV

I’ve only had lip sync issues a couple times, but that was in Plex. Don’t recall having any in other apps. I think sync issues come in more if you’re using internal apps and using ARC.


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Great to know! Looks like I’m going to be ordering an Apple TV 4K!

Thanks for your helpful reply.
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I’m curious for any owners here who may know. If I do any changes to the picture settings with 4K HDR on the TVs internal apps, can those settings be saved for just the apps? Or will the changes be global for the HDMI sources (4K Blu-ray, Apple TV 4K, etc.) as well?
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I’m curious for any owners here who may know. If I do any changes to the picture settings with 4K HDR on the TVs internal apps, can those settings be saved for just the apps? Or will the changes be global for the HDMI sources (4K Blu-ray, Apple TV 4K, etc.) as well?
For me it seems the tv saves multiple hdr settings for various inputs.

BTW. I noticed today that whe playing a 4k Blu Ray, Standard mode dimming is locked and doesn't change how it does for apps. I'm OK with this since it's locked into a setting that actually works. However I'm still having blooming issues where it doesn't appear to be working as good as it should be.

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For me it seems the tv saves multiple hdr settings for various inputs.

BTW. I noticed today that whe playing a 4k Blu Ray, Standard mode dimming is locked and doesn't change how it does for apps. I'm OK with this since it's locked into a setting that actually works. However I'm still having blooming issues where it doesn't appear to be working as good as it should be.
Great to know! Thanks! Bummer that you’ve still got some blooming issues. For me I don’t have any significant blooming issues, which is nice. The only thing I did notice after watching a 4K HDR movie on Vudu with LD Standard, is the dark areas within the movie were crushed a bit.

Any setting I can adjust to bring a bit of details lost in the shadows without raising the black levels too much?
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i was playing the new star wars are black levels suppose to be that bad on game mode i mean there is blooming everywhere
I don't have that game, but I haven't had problems with other games on PC with my 75". For HDR I disable PC mode and use 10-bit YCbCr 4:2:2 with Game mode. For SDR I enable PC mode and use 8-bit RGB Full with Game mode. Game Enhancer, Dynamic Black Equalizer, and Game Motion Plus are all disabled.
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Wouldn't LD on standard with movie mode make the picture too dim with Netflix HDR ? Thinking of Sabrina here...
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i was playing the new star wars are black levels suppose to be that bad on game mode i mean there is blooming everywhere
I thought the same thing with this game, and I had to make sure game enhancer mode was switched off. It was on, and the black enhancer was at 2, and was washing the picture out. Turned it off and blacks were better. However, the game itself with HDR on does appear to wash some of the blacks out a bit more than others games do. It's not the tv my friend, but rather their use of HDR. Turn off HDR, and everything in the game pops way more. Again, some games just have better HDR implementation.

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I am seriously considering getting an Apple TV 4K streamer, as I want to watch Disney+ and DC Universe in 4K HDR with 5.1 sound. I’m curious, how do you have your Apple TV 4K connected? Is it going HDMI into the Q90R, or HDMI to a receiver/processor then HDMI to the TV?

Also, are you experiencing any lip sync issues using your Apple TV 4K?
Mine goes to the receiver, and then to the TV (HDMI3). No lip sync issues at all, and the apple TV remote controls the receiver volume via HDMI, with no line of site. Internal apps feed back to the receiver via ARC, and with sources plugged to another HDMI port (I have xfinity on HDMI 1) there IS delay to the audio via ARC. If I set the TV to output PCM instead of DD then it is minimal and I can deal with it.

The internal Apps also feed back to the AVR via ARC, but there is no delay when set to PCM or DD. Seems the issue only affects routing audio from other HDMI inputs back out through ARC.

I use Apple TV for everything except Xfinity App (which I use rarely). I do feel like there is more blooming on internal apps, but my attempt to corroborate this in a more controlled comparison left me without confirmation.

I can say with ATV as a source everything looks amazing, and blacks are almost "too" black, if that's possible. Color and resolution are amazing to the point of distracting me from viewing. I haven't had noticeable bloom at all while using ATV, even with subtitles. I am using High dimming setting for HDR, and standard for SDR. lol It's the best combo I've had yet.

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Mine goes to the receiver, and then to the TV (HDMI3). No lip sync issues at all, and the apple TV remote controls the receiver volume via HDMI, with no line of site. Internal apps feed back to the receiver via ARC, and with sources plugged to another HDMI port (I have xfinity on HDMI 1) there IS delay to the audio via ARC. If I set the TV to output PCM instead of DD then it is minimal and I can deal with it.

The internal Apps also feed back to the AVR via ARC, but there is no delay when set to PCM or DD. Seems the issue only affects routing audio from other HDMI inputs back out through ARC.

I use Apple TV for everything except Xfinity App (which I use rarely). I do feel like there is more blooming on internal apps, but my attempt to corroborate this in a more controlled comparison left me without confirmation.

I can say with ATV as a source everything looks amazing, and blacks are almost "too" black, if that's possible. Color and resolution are amazing to the point of distracting me from viewing. I haven't had noticeable bloom at all while using ATV, even with subtitles. I am using High dimming setting for HDR, and standard for SDR. lol It's the best combo I've had yet.
Sounds like the Apple TV 4K is a really great streamer. I’m looking forward to getting one and seeing how it looks (and sounds). Hopefully I will have the same rewarding experience you’ve had.

Thank you for your very helpful reply.
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Wouldn't LD on standard with movie mode make the picture too dim with Netflix HDR ? Thinking of Sabrina here...
That combination would be criminal. On my 75" with that combo, EOTF tracking measures well below the curve, and peak brightness is a measly 468 nits. It might be barely tolerable for watching the remastered Star Wars original trilogy in fake HDR, but not much else.

Interestingly, in Standard picture mode, LD Standard measures about the same as LD High, which likely explains why those who insist on using Standard picture mode find LD Standard an acceptable alternative when LD High is broken for internal apps.
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I’m still experimenting a bit with the Standard picture mode preset using local dimming Standard for 4K HDR. While Black levels are stellar, and look as deep and inky as 1080p SDR, there is noticeable black crush with interior scenes. Any suggestions to mitigate this with any settings? Because other than crushing the blacks the picture overall is downright stunning!
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I am hoping some kind soul can assist me with a problem I have with my new Q90R and several input source devices and have failed to find a solution for over 2 weeks now. I spent big bucks to get the Q90R and the reference grade Panasonic UB-9000 Ultra 4K HDR Blu-Ray player --- and I am not experiencing what I wanted to be awesome 4K experiences (my first 4K TV).

I have 2 main HDMI sources:

1. (HDMI 1) Verizon FiOS set top box (specifically, the Arris IPC4100 "mini FiOS One" STB. Firmware fully updated to latest version (1315 version I believe).
2. (HDMI 2) Panasonic UB-9000 Ultra 4K Blu-Ray player. Firmware fully updated (forget the version but is the latest).

I have a 50-foot run to the sources above (they are on the lower floor of my ranch home).

I have the FiOS STB connected to the Q90R via an Amazon HDMI Extender (4K HDR HDbaseT Long Range HDMI Extender Kit 330ft 100m ETHERNET 18GBPS Single CAT5e CAT6 CAT7 2.0B 4K @ 60hz UltraHD YUV 4:4:4 Uncompressed Transmitter Receiver IR RS232 HDCP2.2 CONTROL4 Savant) from No Hassle AV.

I have the Panasonic UB-9000 connected to the Q90R via a Kordz Active Fiber 20-meter (65.6-foot) fiber HDMI cable.

Issues:

1. With the FiOS STB connected to the HDMI Extender, picture is black. HDMI extender status lights state a stable HDCP signal, but display is total black (suspect HDMI Handshake issue).
2. With the FiOS STB connected to the Kordz active fiber HDMI cable, the FiOS STB works every single time.
3. With the UB-9000 connected to the Kordz active fiber HDMI cable, picture is total black (suspect HDMI Handshake issue).
4. With the UB-9000 connected to the Kordz active fiber HDMI cable and powered up, will display on Q90R ONLY if I power on the Q90R. Works every time this way. Switching from another input source experiences Issue #3 above (e.g. picture is total black).
5. With the UB-9000 connected to the HDMI Extender, picture is black. HDMI extender status lights state a stable HDCP signal, but display is total black.
6. With a laptop that has a Full HD display (e.g. 1920x1080p picture), HDMI Extender displays laptop screen on Q90R - works every time this way.
7. Took an older Samsung Blu-Ray player (model BD-H5900) to test, HDMI Extender properly displays movies and menus - works every time this way.

Hopefully this description shows what troubleshooting I have done. The HDMI Extender and associated CAT7 Ethernet cable is not defective -- it works with my Full HD display laptop and the older model Samsung Blu-Ray player. It does not work at all with the FiOS STB. The puzzling thing is that the FiOS STB works every time with the (expensive) Kordz fiber HDMI cable, but not so with the UB-9000. The UB-9000 only works with the Kordz fiber HDMI cable if I power cycle the Q90R --- after this any changing of the input source to FiOS and then back it shows the total black display.

I have tried all combinations of the Input Signal Plus and the Anynet+(HDMI CEC) settings to no avail.

The only thing that seems to have next step merit is to enter the service menu and disable the HDMI Clock Control --- but this option makes me think twice about doing this.

Can one of you experienced folks possibly help me out?

Thank you so much in advance --- I REALLY want to enjoy the Q90R and my reference grade UB-9000 Blu-Ray player. My first experience with a high-end 4K TV and Ultra Blu-Ray player is not been a happy one!
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