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Now back to reality...

Today, AVForums reviewer, Steve Withers, stated that he was "gobsmacked" and "very, very impressed" by the picture quality and the wide-angle viewing of the Q90R.

Also stating: "This TV, without a question in my mind, is the best LCD/LED TV I have ever seen".

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Now back to reality...

Today, AVForums reviewer, Steve Withers, stated that he was "gobsmacked" and "very, very impressed" by the picture quality and the wide-angle viewing of the Q90R.

Also stating: "This TV, without a question in my mind, is the best LCD/LED TV I have ever seen".
Lol, the same Steve Withers who gave the Samsung Q9FN 10/10 and a "Reference Level" badge despite crushed shadow detail and overbright HDR picture? He got criticized so much that AVForums had to discard their "Reference Level" award from then on.

The same Steve Withers who was also chosen by Samsung to "review" a pre-production sample of the Q90R, and then proceed to seed multiple publications with glowing "reviews" as if it was a full production unit? All written by the same person?

https://www.pocket-lint.com/tv/revie...-review-4k-hdr
https://www.techradar.com/uk/reviews...ng-q90-qled-tv
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/samsung-g90-tv-review

I'd take his reviews with a grain of salt. He's said the same thing about Q9FN last year, will say the same thing about next year's Samsung flagship...
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So can somebody clear up a confusion that seems to be going on reading all the 2019 QLED announcements around the Internet?

It seems that Samsung have both confirmed that the Q90R will lack HDMI 2.1 ports while also confirming that it will allow 4K @120 Hz inputs from HDMI. One of those statements is not true. Which one is it?
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So can somebody clear up a confusion that seems to be going on reading all the 2019 QLED announcements around the Internet?

It seems that Samsung have both confirmed that the Q90R will lack HDMI 2.1 ports while also confirming that it will allow 4K @120 Hz inputs from HDMI. One of those statements is not true. Which one is it?
Both are true. But the marketing geniuses don't usually mention it can do 120 Hz only with 4:2:0 chroma, which falls in hdmi 2.0 bandwidth territory. So in theory it can do 120 Hz, but it's not very usable.
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yeah,the box,but not sure about the TV!
He also posted a video of himself assembling the Q90r stand. I found that video useful, just in case I ended up with Q90r.
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Both are true. But the marketing geniuses don't usually mention it can do 120 Hz only with 4:2:0 chroma, which falls in hdmi 2.0 bandwidth territory. So in theory it can do 120 Hz, but it's not very usable.
But that makes no sense, even if theoretically it falls within the 18Gbps limit of HDMI2.0, it's out-of-spec from the supported HDMI resolutions. What devices (other that probably PCs with custom output) have the possibility to output at that combination of resolution, refresh rate, and chroma?
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It may be possible that if Sumsung add 2.1 in the future or Dolby Vision to a updated box so you only need up upgrade the one connect box
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So we're at page 3 and this "owner's" thread is lacking one key element ……………………… an actual Q90R Owner!!!

We're neck deep in BS and need some real owner feedback pronto.
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So we're at page 3 and this "owner's" thread is lacking one key element ……………………… an actual Q90R Owner!!!

We're neck deep in BS and need some real owner feedback pronto.
Yea, this tv really has my interest up. I would love some owner feedback, especially concerning banding and DSE. The pro reviews all gush about this tv, but I value member reports more. This TV, if the reviews are right,...might blend the benefits of LCD and Oled into one package. Set a new high bar for others to follow.

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Lol, the same Steve Withers who gave the Samsung Q9FN 10/10 and a "Reference Level" badge despite crushed shadow detail and overbright HDR picture? He got criticized so much that AVForums had to discard their "Reference Level" award from then on.

The same Steve Withers who was also chosen by Samsung to "review" a pre-production sample of the Q90R, and then proceed to seed multiple publications with glowing "reviews" as if it was a full production unit? All written by the same person?

I'd take his reviews with a grain of salt. He's said the same thing about Q9FN last year, will say the same thing about next year's Samsung flagship...
Steve may have gave a reference status to the Q9FN but he did not buy/own one , no he went OLED A C8 to be precise ... how do i know , he is my local calibrator.. so he is no Samsung Fanboy he just gave his opinion on what was put before him ... A Samsung Cherry Picked panel
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It may be possible that if Sumsung add 2.1 in the future or Dolby Vision to a updated box so you only need up upgrade the one connect box
It seems like all signs point to an upgrade in the future.
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Been waiting on a nice flagship tv with a central stand. The stand reminds me of my Z9D. It's pretty awesome to have a huge tv still be able to fit on a small stand. If this is simply a Q9FN with better colors and viewing angle then I'm sold.
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Lol, the same Steve Withers who gave the Samsung Q9FN 10/10 and a "Reference Level" badge despite crushed shadow detail and overbright HDR picture? He got criticized so much that AVForums had to discard their "Reference Level" award from then on.

The same Steve Withers who was also chosen by Samsung to "review" a pre-production sample of the Q90R, and then proceed to seed multiple publications with glowing "reviews" as if it was a full production unit? All written by the same person?

https://www.pocket-lint.com/tv/revie...-review-4k-hdr
https://www.techradar.com/uk/reviews...ng-q90-qled-tv
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/samsung-g90-tv-review

I'd take his reviews with a grain of salt. He's said the same thing about Q9FN last year, will say the same thing about next year's Samsung flagship...

Actually not...

First, he readily states he owns an OLED - so your Samsung theory doesn't wash.

Second - he is stating exactly what other several reviewers who have seen the Q90R are stating.

Vincent Teoh has been wrong before - you going to bash him too...?
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Both are true. But the marketing geniuses don't usually mention it can do 120 Hz only with 4:2:0 chroma, which falls in hdmi 2.0 bandwidth territory. So in theory it can do 120 Hz, but it's not very usable.

Why is 4K at 120 Hz, 10-bit, 4:2:0, "not very usable"..?

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Why is 4K at 120 Hz, 10-bit, 4:2:0, "not very usable"..?
HDMI 2 bandwidth seems to be sufficient for only 8-bits ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI#R...or_HDR10_video ). 4:2:0 is enough for video content, but for PC and games it looks bad, and AFAIK for the foreseeable future all 120 Hz content would be PC and games.
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Actually not...

First, he readily states he owns an OLED - so your Samsung theory doesn't wash.

Second - he is stating exactly what other several reviewers who have seen the Q90R are stating.

Vincent Teoh has been wrong before - you going to bash him too...?
Who are the other 'several' reviewers? I only noticed two. Steve W. and John Archer.
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Who are the other 'several' reviewers? I only noticed two. Steve W. and John Archer.

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https://www.whathifi.com/reviews/samsung-qe65q90r

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https://hdguru.com/review-samsung-q9...es-ultra-wide/

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HDMI 2 bandwidth seems to be sufficient for only 8-bits ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI#R...or_HDR10_video ). 4:2:0 is enough for video content, but for PC and games it looks bad, and AFAIK for the foreseeable future all 120 Hz content would be PC and games.

Exactly - it only is PC games that would be affected - not Blu-rays, movies, streaming, TV, Xbox, PS4, etc.

And as far as I know, Samsung is stating that the Q90R with HDMI 2.0b is capable of 120 Hz, 10-bit, 4:2:0.

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Exactly - it only is PC games that would be affected - not Blu-rays, movies, streaming, TV, Xbox, PS4, etc.

And as far as I know, Samsung is stating that the Q90R with HDMI 2.0b is capable of 120 Hz, 10-bit, 4:2:0.
Games on consoles will also suffer from the compression. One more you win some you lose some -situation. If it can do 10-bit then you probably could change to 8-bit and use better chroma, depending which suits specific games and users the most. Personally I've used 4:2:2 with my previous TV for gaming and it wasn't something I'd like to do again, especially not with 4:2:0. There tends to be places where you can notice the color and small details are off.
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Just scheduled delivery for my Q90R on Monday! Pretty stoked!
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Just scheduled delivery for my Q90R on Monday! Pretty stoked!
Let's hope you remain stoked after setting it up and viewing it my friend! A lot of gloomy Gusses around here casting aspersions on this TV before anyone has owned one. Not sure whether its bias and agenda or whether its legit experience. I'll certainly be following along in any case. May the panel gods be with you.
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Just scheduled delivery for my Q90R on Monday! Pretty stoked!
From across the pond so i take it Stoked =Happy... look forward to your opinion on the Q90R when you get it ... hope it is a positive one.
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Actually not...

First, he readily states he owns an OLED - so your Samsung theory doesn't wash.

Second - he is stating exactly what other several reviewers who have seen the Q90R are stating.

Vincent Teoh has been wrong before - you going to bash him too...?
Let me spell it for you very clearly.

Every year, Samsung handpick a number of reviewers to "review" pre-production samples of their flagship TVs, way before Rtings/ any consumer can buy any retail units to give honest impressions.

If these reviewers give a bad review, do you think they will still be handpicked to receive pre-production samples the following year?

I see the same pattern every year, and it's always the same reviewers who receive early samples and give 5 star reviews if you pay attention.

So for 2019, only 4 reviewers are chosen to review the Samsung Q90R. The 4 reviewers are HDGuru/ WhatHifi/ John Archer/ Steve Withers.

Let's look at their Samsung review track record for the 2018 Q9FN:

HDGuru: 5/5 https://hdguru.com/review-samsung-qn...-black-levels/
Whathifi: 5 stars https://www.whathifi.com/samsung/qe65q9fn/review
John Archer: 5 stars https://www.techradar.com/uk/reviews...ed-tv-qn65q9fn
Steve Withers: 10/10 Reference Level https://www.avforums.com/review/sams...n-review.14868

Now look at how they rated the 2019 Q90R:

HDGuru: 5/5 https://hdguru.com/review-samsung-q9...es-ultra-wide/
Whathifi: 5 stars https://www.whathifi.com/reviews/samsung-qe65q90r
John Archer: 5 stars https://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/samsung-qe65q90r
Steve Withers: 5 stars https://www.techradar.com/uk/reviews...ng-q90-qled-tv

Isn't it obvious? These reviewers won't be found giving anything less than a 5-star review for the Samsung Q90R, or else they'll lose access to early pre-production samples in 2020. Buyer beware.
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I think someone is supposed to have theirs delivered tomorrow.... March 6...

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Let's hope you remain stoked after setting it up and viewing it my friend! A lot of gloomy Gusses around here casting aspersions on this TV before anyone has owned one. Not sure whether its bias and agenda or whether its legit experience. I'll certainly be following along in any case. May the panel gods be with you.

More like Samsung's reputation in past years went down hill, can't blame anyone for being cautious before spending that much cash.
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Let me spell it for you very clearly.

Every year, Samsung handpick a number of reviewers to "review" pre-production samples of their flagship TVs, way before Rtings/ any consumer can buy any retail units to give honest impressions.

If these reviewers give a bad review, do you think they will still be handpicked to receive pre-production samples the following year?

I see the same pattern every year, and it's always the same reviewers who receive early samples and give 5 star reviews if you pay attention.

So for 2019, only 4 reviewers are chosen to review the Samsung Q90R. The 4 reviewers are HDGuru/ WhatHifi/ John Archer/ Steve Withers.

Let's look at their Samsung review track record for the 2018 Q9FN:

HDGuru: 5/5 https://hdguru.com/review-samsung-qn...-black-levels/
Whathifi: 5 stars https://www.whathifi.com/samsung/qe65q9fn/review
John Archer: 5 stars https://www.techradar.com/uk/reviews...ed-tv-qn65q9fn
Steve Withers: 10/10 Reference Level https://www.avforums.com/review/sams...n-review.14868

Now look at how they rated the 2019 Q90R:

HDGuru: 5/5 https://hdguru.com/review-samsung-q9...es-ultra-wide/
Whathifi: 5 stars https://www.whathifi.com/reviews/samsung-qe65q90r
John Archer: 5 stars https://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/samsung-qe65q90r
Steve Withers: 5 stars https://www.techradar.com/uk/reviews...ng-q90-qled-tv

Isn't it obvious? These reviewers won't be found giving anything less than a 5-star review for the Samsung Q90R, or else they'll lose access to early pre-production samples in 2020. Buyer beware.

Another conspiracy theorist...

And what happens when the Q90R comes out and the rest of the professional reviewers say relatively the same thing?

Then everyone is in on it?

And, according to Rtings (who buys their own TVs retail) - the Q9FN was the best LED TV for 2018 in their "The 7 Best LED LCD TVs - Winter 2019".

Or are they in on it too...?
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Yea, this tv really has my interest up. I would love some owner feedback, especially concerning banding and DSE. The pro reviews all gush about this tv, but I value member reports more. This TV, if the reviews are right,...might blend the benefits of LCD and Oled into one package. Set a new high bar for others to follow.
I have the same opinion as your good self , in that buyers opinions on any said tv carries more weight with me than what reviewers publish... it always amazes me how often they get tv's with no Banding or Tint on OlLEDS and DSE on LCDS.
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Let me spell it for you very clear

Every year, Samsung handpick a number of reviewers to "review" pre-production samples of their flagship TVs, way before / any consumer can buy any retail units to give honest impressions.

If these reviewers give a bad review, do you think they will still be handpicked to receive pre-production samples the following year?

I see the same pattern every year, and it's always the same reviewers who receive early samples and give 5 star reviews if you pay attention

Now look at how they rated the 2019 Q90R:



Isn't it obvious? These reviewers won't be found giving anything less than a 5-star review for the Samsung Q90R, or else they'll lose access to early pre-production samples in 2020. Buyer beware.
You are right but also not ... meaning the panels the reviewers are asked to give there opinion are indeed carefully chosen in fact perfect and will represent the very best the tech can deliver.. if you were put in front of these panels, i bet when asked to give your opinion you too would be giving 5/5 all round.

But when it comes to the sets that are mass produced , then we have the panel lottery game and at that point is when the difference in quality of those cherry picked panels and the ones we buy becomes evident and those 5/5 suddenly become 1,2,3,4,5/5 dependent how lucky we are in the panel lottery.
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I'll get mine tomorrow, but probably won't get it mounted until Friday...maybe unboxed tomorrow if my wife is cooperative so I can verify no gap mount compatibility and get some critical measurements. I'm also not a super critical reviewer so suspect you'll find my thoughts to be of limited value. I'm more interested in things like whether the ambient light sensor still needs to be disabled when using ambient mode, does HDMI ARC carry a digital signal back to the amp, what streaming apps does the display have built in, how slick is the interface that shows available content across multiple apps, etc.
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Another conspiracy theorist...

And what happens when the Q90R comes out and the rest of the professional reviewers say relatively the same thing?

Then everyone is in on it?

And, according to Rtings - the Q9FN was the best LED TV for 2018 in their "The 7 Best LED LCD TVs - Winter 2019".

Or are they in on it too...?

And according to David Katzmaier the 75Q9FN (review December 15, 2018, so not an early review).


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https://www.cnet.com/reviews/samsung-qn75q9fn-review/

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The Samsung Q9 has the best overall picture quality of any non-OLED TV I've reviewed, with exceedingly bright highlights, inky black levels with minimal blooming and best-in-class off-angle and bright-room performance.
I own a 75Q9FN and I think Katzmaier review is basically spot on, and certainly not very different from the early reviews.

I´m moderatily optimistic that the early reviews of the pre production Q90R, will not differ much from the "mass-produced" Q90 .





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