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Anyone have the new Verizon 4K box? Just found out about them and planning to upgrade. Does it make a big difference?
I upgraded to the new VZ 4K boxes a couple of weeks ago. It definitely makes a noticeable difference. Before, the upscaled images were grainy and even blurry at times. Once I installed the new box, the PQ was much more cleaner and crisp. I set it to 1080p output and let the TV handle the upscaling. If I set it to 2160p output, the PQ is still nice but not as sharp. But like before, some channels still look better than others.
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I assume that in game mode where local dimming is broken the q90r and q900r will perform worse than the q9fn cuz of their low native contrast.


A user who had both the q900r and q9fn mentinoned it.
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I assume that in game mode where local dimming is broken the q90r and q900r will perform worse than the q9fn cuz of their low native contrast.


A user who had both the q900r and q9fn mentinoned it.
Game mode is not broken on this set. I had 5 q9fn with broken game mode. The game mode on my q90r works great. With no broken local dimming. Blacks are equal to movie mode. You can't make these claims when you don't own the set. I own the set. What I state are facts. Toggling between game and movie modes does not ruin the blacks. Facts. I hope people who are browsing in this forum are intelligent enough to listen to owners, not members of a smear campaign.

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Game mode is not broken on this set. I had 5 q9fn with broken game mode. The game mode on my q90r works great. With no broken local dimming. Blacks are equal to movie mode.

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Just ignore him. He's trolling the other Samsung review thread as well with wild baseless claims about the Q90 even though nothing he is referencing is at all about the Q90
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Just ignore him. He's trolling the other Samsung review thread as well with wild baseless claims about the Q90 even though nothing he is referencing is at all about the Q90
Here goes the mic drop to put the wishful thinkers to rest with these false claims. First two pictures are in movie mode. Last two pictures are game mode. Any glowing you see is caused by the menus being open. Didn't calibrate the colors on the game mode yet I'm sure I can get it to look even better.

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Wow I had no idea that the Q90 and other TVs like it would actually make my cable TV look WORSE. Now I don’t know what in the world to do. I mean, does it look like crap?
The q90 does NOT make cable TV look.worse. AI upscaling makes it look better than previous Samsungs and among the very best of any 4k tv. Stop listening to those whose prior experience is a 1080p set from 10 years ago, and those who jump in just to smear this TV. Listen to experienced owners please.

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Swap TVs for another one. I’ve had this problem in the past where the TVs internal upscaler is broken and it can’t properly upscale 720p or 1080i sources, but 1080p is upscaled to 4K perfectly. Most TV channels are 720p and others are 1080i, so I would try a swap.
You diagnosed his tv as having a defective internal upscaler just by looking at his pictures and advising him to swap the tv? Seriously?

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The q90 does NOT make cable TV look.worse. AI upscaling makes it look better than previous Samsungs and among the very best of any 4k tv. Stop listening to those whose prior experience is a 1080p set from 10 years ago, and those who jump in just to smear this TV. Listen to experienced owners please.

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Alot of parroting of BS info goin on around here.
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Alot of parroting of BS info goin on around here.
In all my years in this hobby I never ever ran across such a massive fountain of misinformation.

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Has anyone who ordered a 75 inch Q90R received theirs yet? I'm still trying to figure out if the current No-Gap wall mount works for it.
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Wow I had no idea that the Q90 and other TVs like it would actually make my cable TV look WORSE. Now I don’t know what in the world to do. I mean, does it look like crap?
The q90 does NOT make cable TV look.worse. AI upscaling makes it look better than previous Samsungs and among the very best of any 4k tv. Stop listening to those whose prior experience is a 1080p set from 10 years ago, and those who jump in just to smear this TV. Listen to experienced owners please.

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Oh good. Honestly I wish we could delete 80% of the post on this thread and just keep actual owners input.
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Ok need your help. I’m hitting my two week limit. And thinking about returning the tv.

CABLE TV looks very standard definition. Everything looks somewhat blurry. Even my wife is starting to complain. Amazon and Netflix however look beautiful and crisp. Not sure what to do here, I turned off auto motion, and digital clean view off. Watching in movie mode. All other settings haven’t been touched,

I have a TiVo 4K BOLT vox. I have video out set to 1080P 60fps / 1080p 24/25 FPS passthrough. I am assuming this eliminates the TiVo from upscaling on its own,

Not sure what else to do? It’s most noticeable on faces but it’s noticable on objects too.

Any ideas you guys think I should try before I send this thing back?
There's a chance your cable signal is weak. Try bypassing the Tivo box and plug directly into the OCB. If you're still getting low picture quality, have Verizon come out and check the signal. There are things they can do to boost the signal to spec.
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New Q90R 5" Personal Review

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Previously owned: Pioneer Kuro (deservedly legendary as far ahead of it's time) & then Panasonic Plasma (very good).
Current Set-up: Run all through Integra Receiver then out to Samsung OCB
Up and running 3 days
Tweaks: cut out most all the extra processing but no changes to detailed settings
One Major Change that really improved picture, especially upscaling: use "Natural" rather than "Standard" (For me "Standard" had that somewhat pasty, muddled image some have noted - but not as bad as the often noted camera picture submitted on here - camera pictures are unreliable, I've tried - so will not be posting pictures)
I'm anxious to see other peoples ideas on changing the detailed settings; but I'm totally satisfied as is.

Conclusion on Samsung Q90R 65": Excellent
Notably Very Good To Exceptional Features:

Picture Quality of 4K Content (of course)
Detail in black areas
Picture Quality of most all other content (with all subjective elements that go into such an opinion)
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Another Thought: I am sorry a few are dissatisfied with picture quality; but many on here are thrilled like me! I suspect many of the issues are not from real owners; but are just repeating what a few have suggested or even speculated on. And many people repeating the truism that garbage in = garbage out (bad source content) makes it appear that there are many more disgruntled people than there actually are. I've also had way too much of the oft repeated theoretical opinions and scenarios about how bad content can not be corrected and how 4K TV's will look worse on ALL non-4K content. That is simply not true on this TV for most sources for most people that have posted here so far. Obviously true for a a few sources and a few TV's.
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...Problem: ARC audio not working through OCB for Prime Video so audio only through TV Speakers for Prime Video (Cable & Blu-ray audio runs well through Integra/External Speakers) - and many thanks to bjorktribe for his ideas on how to solve ARC issue but still a problem.
I returned a Q90R because ARC didn't work. I wanted to replace just the OCB and One Connect Cable, but the OCB was back ordered and was told it would be a 2 week minimum wait for one.

Do you get sound playback through your receiver when you run the the Self Diagnosis under the Support option in the Q90R menu? It should play continuously while the test is running. On mine it would run for 1 or 2 seconds and cut out.

Both Samsung and Onkyo tech support blamed each other for the problem and suggested I run an optical cable instead of using ARC.

It looks like Samsung's implementation of ARC on the Q90R doesn't play nice with some A/V Receivers. I think they could probably fix it with a firmware upgrade if they get enough complaints.

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Has anyone who ordered a 75 inch Q90R received theirs yet? I'm still trying to figure out if the current No-Gap wall mount works for it.
Hello EdFlo, I'm from Germany, I have been the 75Q90R for two days and have hung it with the No Gap wall mount WMN-M23EA/XC.
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Game mode is not broken on this set. I had 5 q9fn with broken game mode. The game mode on my q90r works great. With no broken local dimming. Blacks are equal to movie mode. You can't make these claims when you don't own the set. I own the set. What I state are facts. Toggling between game and movie modes does not ruin the blacks. Facts. I hope people who are browsing in this forum are intelligent enough to listen to owners, not members of a smear campaign.

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It has been to my knowledge that the q90r and q900r has the same panel except for the 8k chip on the 900r.

q900r had the same broken local dimming in game mode as q9fn so it was just a natural assumption to make.



Im gonna hold off validating your claim until I hear more peoples experiences aswell as rtings test on the hdr game mode.
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It has been to my knowledge that the q90r and q900r has the same panel except for the 8k chip on the 900r.
If that's true how about sharing a link to a source that supports that "knowledge". Otherwise you're just trolling this thread.
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It has been to my knowledge that the q90r and q900r has the same panel except for the 8k chip on the 900r.

q900r had the same broken local dimming in game mode as q9fn so it was just a natural assumption to make.



Im gonna hold off validating your claim until I hear more peoples experiences aswell as rtings test on the hdr game mode.


That’s a first. I had trouble processing the logic on that one.
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It has been to my knowledge that the q90r and q900r has the same panel except for the 8k chip on the 900r.

q900r had the same broken local dimming in game mode as q9fn so it was just a natural assumption to make.



Im gonna hold off validating your claim until I hear more peoples experiences aswell as rtings test on the hdr game mode.
If you go to the q9fn forum you will see me pulling no punches against that set for the broken game mode and other issues. I changed 5 of them. I went through hell with dse, sdr undersaturation, broken local dimming in game mode, black crush etc. So I decided to give the q90r a shot, going in with low expectations. So far it's been a dream. Was concerned that there will be a drop in contrast due to the wide angle filter like there was on the z9f. Nope no drop at all in perceived contrast. Game mode perfectly normal. Black crush mitigated and no longer distracting. No more dse on axis. Sdr is nicely saturated. If you believe rtings numbers you also believe when they specifically say that the q900r is more accurate than the Sony z9d and has lower color volume (yes this was rtings actual findings). If you believe that, then I have a bridge to sell you.

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Hello EdFlo, I'm from Germany, I have been the 75Q90R for two days and have hung it with the No Gap wall mount WMN-M23EA/XC.
If I'm not mistaken, you are the first owner of a 75" or higher on here. Can you please share with us what kind of filter is on that set? Is it the same as the 65" or is it brown tinted and matte-like as the q900rb?

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That’s a first. I had trouble processing the logic on that one.
I posted a picture which clearly shows the q900r uses a completely different coating than the q90r.

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I posted a picture which clearly shows the q900r uses a completely different coating than the q90r.

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Yeah, and even if the coatings/layers are the same between different models at different sizes, the panels cannot be exactly the same since the resolution is different (or am I off on that one?). Also, the Q90R has the dedicated local dimming chip, something which none of the other models have (including the Q900R). So either way, the dimming won’t be the same on both models.
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This is among the best I've seen Verizon FiOS look on any 4k set. No upscaling issues whatsoever.

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If I'm not mistaken, you are the first owner of a 75" or higher on here. Can you please share with us what kind of filter is on that set? Is it the same as the 65" or is it brown tinted and matte-like as the q900rb?

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My 75" comes on Monday, so I will be able to check as well.
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If you go to the q9fn forum you will see me pulling no punches against that set for the broken game mode and other issues. I changed 5 of them. I went through hell with dse, sdr undersaturation, broken local dimming in game mode, black crush etc. So I decided to give the q90r a shot, going in with low expectations. So far it's been a dream. Was concerned that there will be a drop in contrast due to the wide angle filter like there was on the z9f. Nope no drop at all in perceived contrast. Game mode perfectly normal. Black crush mitigated and no longer distracting. No more dse on axis. Sdr is nicely saturated. If you believe rtings numbers you also believe when they specifically say that the q900r is more accurate than the Sony z9d and has lower color volume (yes this was rtings actual findings). If you believe that, then I have a bridge to sell you.

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How's the new OCB?

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I returned a Q90R because ARC didn't work. I wanted to replace just the OCB and One Connect Cable, but the OCB was back ordered and was told it would be a 2 week minimum wait for one.

Do you get sound playback through your receiver when you run the the Self Diagnosis under the Support option in the Q90R menu? It should play continuously while the test is running. On mine it would run for 1 or 2 seconds and cut out.

Both Samsung and Onkyo tech support blamed each other for the problem and suggested I run an optical cable instead of using ARC.

It looks like Samsung's implementation of ARC on the Q90R doesn't play nice with some A/V Receivers. I think they could probably fix it with a firmware upgrade if they get enough complaints.
Any issues with ARC and the new set? I also have an Onkyo but the RZ720 and every once in a while, I will lose the ARC connection between the receiver and TV. Disabling and re-enabling ANYNET on the TV fixes the issue. So far, its only been a minor hassle.
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If you go to the q9fn forum you will see me pulling no punches against that set for the broken game mode and other issues. I changed 5 of them. I went through hell with dse, sdr undersaturation, broken local dimming in game mode, black crush etc. So I decided to give the q90r a shot, going in with low expectations. So far it's been a dream. Was concerned that there will be a drop in contrast due to the wide angle filter like there was on the z9f. Nope no drop at all in perceived contrast. Game mode perfectly normal. Black crush mitigated and no longer distracting. No more dse on axis. Sdr is nicely saturated. If you believe rtings numbers you also believe when they specifically say that the q900r is more accurate than the Sony z9d and has lower color volume (yes this was rtings actual findings). If you believe that, then I have a bridge to sell you.

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Previously owned: Pioneer Kuro (deservedly legendary as far ahead of it's time) & then Panasonic Plasma (very good).
Current Set-up: Run all through Integra Receiver then out to Samsung OCB
Up and running 3 days
Tweaks: cut out most all the extra processing but no changes to detailed settings
One Major Change that really improved picture, especially upscaling: use "Natural" rather than "Standard" (For me "Standard" had that somewhat pasty, muddled image some have noted - but not as bad as the often noted camera picture submitted on here - camera pictures are unreliable, I've tried - so will not be posting pictures)
I'm anxious to see other peoples ideas on changing the detailed settings; but I'm totally satisfied as is.

Conclusion on Samsung Q90R 65": Excellent
Notably Very Good To Exceptional Features:

Picture Quality of 4K Content (of course)
Detail in black areas
Picture Quality of most all other content (with all subjective elements that go into such an opinion)
Wide angle view
Upscaling (yes, and I'm on ATT/U-verse/DTV)

Not Impressed With: Remote (it's okay, but so far I still need other remotes for efficient operation)

Problem: ARC audio not working through OCB for Prime Video so audio only through TV Speakers for Prime Video (Cable & Blu-ray audio runs well through Integra/External Speakers) - and many thanks to bjorktribe for his ideas on how to solve ARC issue but still a problem.


Another Thought: I am sorry a few are dissatisfied with picture quality; but many on here are thrilled like me! I suspect many of the issues are not from real owners; but are just repeating what a few have suggested or even speculated on. And many people repeating the truism that garbage in = garbage out (bad source content) makes it appear that there are many more disgruntled people than there actually are. I've also had way too much of the oft repeated theoretical opinions and scenarios about how bad content can not be corrected and how 4K TV's will look worse on ALL non-4K content. That is simply not true on this TV for most sources for most people that have posted here so far. Obviously true for a a few sources and a few TV's.
As a fellow Kuro owner, I'm glad to hear you're so pleased with the Q90R, although as the new owner of an Onkyo receiver, I'm not so glad to hear about your ARC troubles

You mentioned detail in dark scenes being good. What's your impression of the overall black level, particularly in typical nighttime room lighting? Any meaningful bleeding into black bars on scope films?
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Any issues with ARC and the new set? I also have an Onkyo but the RZ720 and every once in a while, I will lose the ARC connection between the receiver and TV. Disabling and re-enabling ANYNET on the TV fixes the issue. So far, its only been a minor hassle.
Yes. Same here. Only I back out and run the Q90R Sound Diagnostic test to fix the issue. The ANYNET toggle may be faster. I will give it a try next time. I usually watch Netflix and Amazon Prime though my BluRay player.

Have you contacted Samsung about this bug? The more of us that complain about this the sooner they will get a fix. I don't think we can count on Onkyo.

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Yes. Same here. Only I back out and run the Q90R Sound Diagnostic test to fix the issue. The ANYNET toggle may be faster. I will give it a try next time. I usually watch Netflix and Amazon Prime though my BluRay player.

Have you contacted Samsung about this bug? The more of us that complain about this the sooner they will get a fix. I don't think we can count on Onkyo.
I have not contacted Samsung yet but will need to do so. I also would not count on Onkyo support for help. Hopefully this is something that can be fixed thru a firmware update from Samsung.
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