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SD13 can you post or comment on the black enhancer game mode feature? I am curious how it works and how it enhances game mode.



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It works ok. Kinda helps if you want to show more detail at the expense of deeper black, but the effect is subtle. Game mode is vastly improved even when game enhancer is turned off.

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Those who have the 75 inch set, what are your first impressions? Thanks to those recently who have posted feedback on the 65. Love to hear more of that too! Seems so far like it’s a phenomenal TV
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If I'm not mistaken, you are the first owner of a 75" or higher on here. Can you please share with us what kind of filter is on that set? Is it the same as the 65" or is it brown tinted and matte-like as the q900rb?

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The display shines and is black, not brown, I hung my 75 Q90R, with No Gap, on the wall, and must say, the settings for the picture, are already manageable, because my F9090 has more.
The black rendering is awesome, yesterday I looked at U-571 from the year 2000, taken over satellite, from the ZDF (German broadcaster), in black areas, as well as in the cinema bar, penetrates, in completely dark rooms, absolutely no light at all ,
He is 10 inches taller than my F9090 from 2014, the picture is now synonymous not better, the bigger the more flawed noticeable, look mainly in public television law 720p in Germany, have a Vu + Duo 4k, that is so and a bit Amazon , that is better.
In the reflection behavior, I'm a bit zwiegespalten, he already swallows a lot of light, but I realized my F9090 is there already really good. However, with really bright, punctual light sources, as with my living room lamp, there are unpleasant reflections in the form of wide horizontal stripes, I did not expect that.
Well, the picture no longer jerky and no less than my age, since I'm no longer crazy, in America there is already a new software, from 26.03 ..
The viewing angle in turn is already great.
My opinion is now rather neutral, had not so much time to test.
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ok, so question to Q90 owners ..

how is the motion ? compared to other LCDs:
- to Q9FN
- to the Sonys (Z9D, Z9F, 900F, 950G etc.) .. since Sony is usually the go to for motion



with the way things are going and Sony possibly not making anymore true high-end LCDs .. Samsung may end up being my only choice, so I hope Q90 (and its 2020 version) is as perfect as can be








and this is very interesting for sure
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In Samsung’s 2019 lineup, the number of HDMI 2.1 features increases in steps, with the entry-level RU7100/7300 series featuring auto low latency mode (ALLM) for responsive game play. The RU8000 series adds dynamic metadata and, for gamers, variable refresh rates. The Q60, Q70, Q80, Q90, and Q900 series boost frame rates to 120fps for 2K and 2.5K content, and the Q90 and 8K Q900 series boosts 4K frame rates to 120fps. The 8K series also supports 8K at 60fps through its HDMI inputs.
“HDMI 2.1 can be claimed if any of its sub-features are supported,” though on 8K TVs, “8K at 60 frames per second is mandatory,” Cohen noted. Samsung believes the Samsung TV’s HDMI 2.1 features will pass compliance testing, he added.
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ok, so question to Q90 owners ..

how is the motion ? compared to other LCDs:
- to Q9FN
- to the Sonys (Z9D, Z9F, 900F, 950G etc.) .. since Sony is usually the go to for motion



with the way things are going and Sony possibly not making anymore true high-end LCDs .. Samsung may end up being my only choice, so I hope Q90 (and its 2020 version) is as perfect as can be








and this is very interesting for sure
Motion is very similar to my q9fn. Most people prefer Sony motion. I'm not that sensitive for motion so that is a trade-off I accept. Overall I think it does a good job for motion but if you're super sensitive to motion and not a fan of soe you will still prefer Sony in this department.

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Hello EdFlo, I'm from Germany, I have been the 75Q90R for two days and have hung it with the No Gap wall mount WMN-M23EA/XC.
How big is the gap?
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Motion is very similar to my q9fn. Most people prefer Sony motion. I'm not that sensitive for motion so that is a trade-off I accept. Overall I think it does a good job for motion but if you're super sensitive to motion and not a fan of dse you will still prefer Sony in this department.

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I wanted to try out Apple AirPlay on my 75Q90R, but I still do not have the setting, unlike the Q90 that the video magazine tested, the setting is there. I have the 1046 on it, in the US there are already the 1060, think, since AirPlay will already be there?
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Motion is very similar to my q9fn. Most people prefer Sony motion. I'm not that sensitive for motion so that is a trade-off I accept. Overall I think it does a good job for motion but if you're super sensitive to motion and not a fan of dse you will still prefer Sony in this department.

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Is anyone a fan of DSE? lol
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How big is the gap?
280,3 x 15,6 x 520 mm
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It has been to my knowledge that the q90r and q900r has the same panel except for the 8k chip on the 900r.
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If that's true how about sharing a link to a source that supports that "knowledge". Otherwise you're just trolling this thread.
Can't be so, what about all the extra pixels it takes to make a 8K panel ?
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Motion is very similar to my q9fn. Most people prefer Sony motion. I'm not that sensitive for motion so that is a trade-off I accept. Overall I think it does a good job for motion but if you're super sensitive to motion and not a fan of dse you will still prefer Sony in this department.

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Is anyone a fan of DSE? [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG] lol
DSE is hard to unsee, might return the TV just for that reason alone.
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Lol I meant to say soe (soap opera effect).

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I feel like to clarify this confusion of how 4k sets, like this samsung and last years q9fn upscales, or any recent samsung 4k tv upscales, I have no complaints. Last years q9fn does a much better job than my old ks9800 as far as "cleaning up a cable signal". And I'm sure the q90r takes it even further, it's really all source related at the end of the day. The better the tv, the better it will bring out imperfections in a poor picture unfortunately, but fortunately will also make a better picture look fantastic. Also no complaints of undersaturated colors on my current q9fn for what it's worth. If all you watch is cable, 1080p sets are just better at handling it. But good luck finding one 55 inches and higher in 2019! And no, 4k broadcasting will probably never happen considering abc and espn amongst others are still broadcasting natively at 720p since the birth of HD.

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I posted a picture which clearly shows the q900r uses a completely different coating than the q90r.

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Yeah, and even if the coatings/layers are the same between different models at different sizes, the panels cannot be exactly the same since the resolution is different (or am I off on that one?). Also, the Q90R has the dedicated local dimming chip, something which none of the other models have (including the Q900R). So either way, the dimming won’t be the same on both models.
I had the chance today to see the q900 and q90r today ( I also compared with the 77 C9 oled, 65 z9f and 75 Z9D today aswell). The AR filter is completely different on them, the q900 looks almost brown and you can clearly see that the 8k model had less contrast than the q90r.

I tested the q90r and the z9f with the Modernwize dse test video, the 65 q90r ( was a AA01 panel) had way better uniformity than any q9fn I have ever seen and much better than the q9fa I use to own. The 65 z9f had similiar uniformity and that tv is known for very good uniformity. So this at least for the q90r panel I saw today, shows Samsung has made some very good improvements!

The off angle viewing was also a bit better than the z9f and the anti glare on the q90r does an amazing job for sure.

Overall, having owned a 65 q9fa and have had some time with the 65 q9fn, I would say the q90r is a vast improvement. I did not see any downgrade with contrast or black levels and I imagine the reviews will more than likely indicate that too. The grey screens I looked at where remarkably very clean for the q90r and z9f but as you will read below there was a tv that was on another level.

What still is an issue for me with Samsung tvs is their motion, specifically their insistance to put 120hz PWM for game mode. That is headache inducing how double image motion that is so harsh and distracting. If they increased it to what Sony uses (720hz pwm) then we would have an amazing display for gaming. Maybe someday they will do that.

I also got to compare a 75 Z9D to the q90r and the Z9D is just in another league. Three years old and to this day I have not seen a better led tv, I am speaking of the 75 inch panel as it is compeletly different than the 65. The 75 Z9D had better uniformity ( again tested the modernwize dse test), way better native blacks that even with local dimming turned off it had inky blacks with the backlight at 35!!! It has 828 dimming zones and motion that is just incredible with same kind of pixel blur as a 900f/950g.

* I have never seen a display in my lifetime that impressed me more than the 75 Z9D, today was the first day I saw one, I have seen many 65 z9d but they did not look all that special to me but the 75 z9d is a very special display.*
Also brief input on the 77 C9 oled, its brighter than the c8 and c7 I own, the ability to increase the white oled pixels makes a very nice difference and putting motion pro to low helped inrease motion resolution well over 300 lines.

If you want a Samsung and do not want a Sony led/oled or LG oled, I highly recommend the q90r, it is the best I have seen Samsung do thus far.
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I had the chance today to see the q900 and q90r today ( I also compared with the 77 C9 oled, 65 z9f and 75 Z9D today aswell). The AR filter is completely different on them, the q900 looks almost brown and you can clearly see that the 8k model had less contrast than the q90r.

I tested the q90r and the z9f with the Modernwize dse test video, the 65 q90r ( was a AA01 panel) had way better uniformity than any q9fn I have ever seen and much better than the q9fa I use to own. The 65 z9f had similiar uniformity and that tv is known for very good uniformity. So this at least for the q90r panel I saw today, shows Samsung has made some very good improvements!

The off angle viewing was also a bit better than the z9f and the anti glare on the q90r does an amazing job for sure.

Overall, having owned a 65 q9fa and have had some time with the 65 q9fn, I would say the q90r is a vast improvement. I did not see any downgrade with contrast or black levels and I imagine the reviews will more than likely indicate that too. The grey screens I looked at where remarkably very clean for the q90r and z9f but as you will read below there was a tv that was on another level.

What still is an issue for me with Samsung tvs is their motion, specifically their insistance to put 120hz PWM for game mode. That is headache inducing how double image motion that is so harsh and distracting. If they increased it to what Sony uses (720hz pwm) then we would have an amazing display for gaming. Maybe someday they will do that.

I also got to compare a 75 Z9D to the q90r and the Z9D is just in another league. Three years old and to this day I have not seen a better led tv, I am speaking of the 75 inch panel as it is compeletly different than the 65. The 75 Z9D had better uniformity ( again tested the modernwize dse test), way better native blacks that even with local dimming turned off it had inky blacks with the backlight at 35!!! It has 828 dimming zones and motion that is just incredible with same kind of pixel blur as a 900f/950g.

* I have never seen a display in my lifetime that impressed me more than the 75 Z9D, today was the first day I saw one, I have seen many 65 z9d but they did not look all that special to me but the 75 z9d is a very special display.*
Also brief input on the 77 C9 oled, its brighter than the c8 and c7 I own, the ability to increase the white oled pixels makes a very nice difference and putting motion pro to low helped inrease motion resolution well over 300 lines.

If you want a Samsung and do not want a Sony led/oled or LG oled, I highly recommend the q90r, it is the best I have seen Samsung do thus far.
I agree with about everything you say here and it's exactly what I've assessed when comparing the q90r to the q900rb and Z9f in the store.

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280,3 x 15,6 x 520 mm
Uhh I’m confused lol

If you had to say in inches, how far off is your tv from your wall with the No gap mount.
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You diagnosed his tv as having a defective internal upscaler just by looking at his pictures and advising him to swap the tv? Seriously?

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I made a recommendation based on my experience... so, yeah, seriously.

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I feel like to clarify this confusion of how 4k sets, like this samsung and last years q9fn upscales, or any recent samsung 4k tv upscales, I have no complaints. Last years q9fn does a much better job than my old ks9800 as far as "cleaning up a cable signal". And I'm sure the q90r takes it even further, it's really all source related at the end of the day. The better the tv, the better it will bring out imperfections in a poor picture unfortunately, but fortunately will also make a better picture look fantastic. Also no complaints of undersaturated colors on my current q9fn for what it's worth. If all you watch is cable, 1080p sets are just better at handling it. But good luck finding one 55 inches and higher in 2019! And no, 4k broadcasting will probably never happen considering abc and espn amongst others are still broadcasting natively at 720p since the birth of HD.

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Looks fantastic.

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I made a recommendation based on my experience... so, yeah, seriously.
Well it's an absolutely horrible recommendation since you do not even own this set, therefore you have no way of telling what's going on with his set. He's comparing to a 10 year old 1080p tv. I've yet to see a high end 4k tv that does better crapoy cable TV than my 10 year old 1080p Sony. You're urging him to return a TV for another tv that is not going to display crappy cable TV any much better.

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Well it's an absolutely horrible recommendation since you do not even own this set, therefore you have no way of telling what's going on with his set. He's comparing to a 10 year old 1080p tv. I've yet to see a high end 4k tv that does better crapoy cable TV than my 10 year old 1080p Sony. You're urging him to return a TV for another tv that is not going to display crappy cable TV any much better.

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I am recommending that he exchange his set for a new set (same brand & model) which will allow him to determine if his current set is defective. Assuming he bought his TV at Best Buy, it’s a painless process. They will pick up the current set and deliver a new one at the same time. It’s painless and potentially may resolve his problem. Not sure why you’re so wound up about it.

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[QUOTE=EdFlo;57830772]Uhh I’m confused lol

If you had to say in inches, how far off is your tv from your wall with the No gap

The distance is 51 mm
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Uhh I’m confused lol

If you had to say in inches, how far off is your tv from your wall with the No gap mount.



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Uhh I’m confused lol

If you had to say in inches, how far off is your tv from your wall with the No gap mount.
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I am recommending that he exchange his set for a new set (same brand & model) which will allow him to determine if his current set is defective. Assuming he bought his TV at Best Buy, it’s a painless process. They will pick up the current set and deliver a new one at the same time. It’s painless and potentially may resolve his problem. Not sure why you’re so wound up about it.
It's not as painless as you think. There has to be a defect on the tv. You can't just say oh i don't like the upscaling. What's he gonna say? He read on the forums that he has a defective internal upscaler? Then he's gonna take the replacement home and find out that cable TV looks just as bad, then go back exchange it for another model/brand and find out soon enough that cable TV still ain't any better. Then what is he gonna do? He's already flagged at that point for too many returns and may wind up with a TV that isn't even half as good as this one, all because of nonsense.

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Can't be so, what about all the extra pixels it takes to make a 8K panel ?
The pixels are in the chip

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whats this 120 PWM game mode thing on Samsung ?


I dont think Ive ever heard rtings or Vincents reviews ever mention anything like that as an issue on Samsungs (Q9FN and others)
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Every RTings review talks about bad Samsung pwm flickering. I can't use samsung tv as monitor because of flickering issue.
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^ as a monitor ? whats the difference in using it as a TV then (in game mode) ?




ok I found it on the Q9FN review

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When in 'Game' or 'Standard' mode, or when 'Auto Motion Plus' is enabled, the backlight changes to a more noticeable 120 Hz flicker.
so 480 Hz in movie mode = good
120 hz in game mode= not so good




my question is can you use Movie mode + PC mode (so at 480 hz or more, whatever the number is for Q90) and get all the benefits of game mode that way (low input lag, Freesync support etc.) without using actual game mode ?



I suppose thats a question to Q90 owners:
- using movie mode + pc mode - do you get low input lag ?
- using movie mode + pc mode - does Freesync work on Q90 ?

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