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You don't have to enable it because the TV enables it when you plug in a 4k source.

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yes I read about this but it was not automatically enabled for my HDR devices.

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Because glossy screens have more vivid color and contrast. Colors appear more intense and saturated, while blacks appear deeper.
Great! My 82" is glossy AND has an anti-reflection screen!

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So my Denon receiver goes off when I turn the tv off but it won't come on when the tv gets turned on. HDMI CEC is on in the Denon and tv settings. With my Z9D when I turned the tv on the Denon would power on too. 🤷
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Watching Star Trek in the middle of the day with the blinds open. Not even an option on my Kuro.

(Forgive the mess, just moved in and still unpacking. Also, colors not representative of on-screen image.)
These do look good, so you like the 90R over the Kuro then?

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Because glossy screens have more vivid color and contrast. Colors appear more intense and saturated, while blacks appear deeper.
Very true, I was in the picture frame business. You could put a piece of regular glas over a picture, then replace with anti-glare glass. Right before your eye's the picture will change.
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So my Denon receiver goes off when I turn the tv off but it won't come on when the tv gets turned on. HDMI CEC is on in the Denon and tv settings. With my Z9D when I turned the tv on the Denon would power on too. 🤷
I have the same issue with my Denon receiver.

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I calibrated my SDR game mode as well and noticed contrast on game mode can go 3 notches higher without clipping so for game mode I ended up with 39 contrast instead of 36 with game mode off. Also I noticed sharpness on game mode has to be put up 2 notches to match the sharpness with game mode off so I settled on 4 for sharpness with game mode(personal preference).
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I calibrated my SDR game mode as well and noticed contrast on game mode can go 3 notches higher without clipping so for game mode I ended up with 39 contrast instead of 36 with game mode off. Also I noticed sharpness on game mode has to be put up 2 notches to match the sharpness with game mode off so I settled on 4 for sharpness with game mode(personal preference).
What's a good test pattern or source to test for clipping so I can dial in the contrast?

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What's a good test pattern or source to test for clipping so I can dial in the contrast?

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Spears and Munsil blu ray is what I use, I don't know of any other sources for it. Maybe youtube has a clipping test?
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Spears and Munsil blu ray is what I use, I don't know of any other sources for it. Maybe youtube has a clipping test?
Nice. Do you use a meter or do you eyeball it? Is it only for sdr or Hdr as well?

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Nice. Do you use a meter or do you eyeball it? Is it only for sdr or Hdr as well?

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Eyeball it, I do want to get a meter one day and learn how to calibrate. I had Chad B calibrate 2 of my sets before so I know what a calibrated set looks like with the material that I use. I was able to tell in 2 seconds that Auto colorspace wasn't going to work for me. It made the tv look like a Sharp Elite, anything teal/cyan was blue.
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I have the same issue with my Denon receiver.
What model? My Denon S720 is working very well.

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what model? My denon s720 is working very well.

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Eyeball it, I do want to get a meter one day and learn how to calibrate. I had Chad B calibrate 2 of my sets before so I know what a calibrated set looks like with the material that I use. I was able to tell in 2 seconds that Auto colorspace wasn't going to work for me. It made the tv look like a Sharp Elite, anything teal/cyan was blue.
I use native for everything. Q9fn auto in Hdr looked good but on this one I use native across the board for both sdr and Hdr. I wish Chad served my area by he does not.

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I went back into ambient mode turned auto brightness off under ambient mode and then came out of it and now it's fixed. Something definitely happened where ambient mode made it stuck in auto brightness mode which for whatever reason on my set also adds a brown tinge to the whole picture. Anyway I tried to make the issue happen again and couldn't.
Happened to me too. I posted about it many pages back. I had to factory reset it after trying so many setting changes and picture resets. The TV would completely ignore power saving settings and all changes to brightness, backlight, contrast, etc... It's definitely a software bug. It happened twice to me now. I don't use ambient anymore, and I'm sad about it.
So this just happened to me as well just now. Was trying to fine tune some picture settings and accidentally hit the ambient mode button on the remote. Turning on and off auto brightness in ambient mode did not work. No adjustment of any settings would work as well. Had to factory reset the TV. Definitely a bug in the software.
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Though I'm still using my broken screen TV, I just tried gaming via my PC. Picture looks great. I don't notice any dimming issues with gaming mode on or black issues, but then again, I didn't notice these things on my Q9fn either. Gaming on an 82" screen is heaven.
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^well yeah gaming on an 82 inch is heaven😁
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I use native for everything. Q9fn auto in Hdr looked good but on this one I use native across the board for both sdr and Hdr. I wish Chad served my area by he does not.

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This completely slipped my mind earlier but another way to check for clipping is simply to go to a regular contrast test pattern and turn the red filter on in the tv settings.
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So this just happened to me as well just now. Was trying to fine tune some picture settings and accidentally hit the ambient mode button on the remote. Turning on and off auto brightness in ambient mode did not work. No adjustment of any settings would work as well. Had to factory reset the TV. Definitely a bug in the software.
Make it three, accidentally hit ambient mode button, same problems as you and had to factory reset. Hope Samsung fixes this soon.

Enjoying the 82 Q90R a lot!! Aquaman has reference picture and sound and my HDR10+ disc collection looks out of this world on this TV. Bumblebee is on tomorrow. I really do not see any local dimming glitches. Was great to the the Oppo screen saver on this set, there is the brand name OPPO in white letters wandering around the screen, on my previous edge lit set the whole side of the screen from top to bottom would boom up, this is not at all the case on this TV. Awesome.
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Aquaman has some ridiculous picture quality. Bumblebee is good as well and the whole movie is full screen which is great. Miss Peregrine looks great on any set as well, that's my sleeper HDR movie I always demo for people.
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A couple things are personal preference. For instance color according to the color bars should be set at 23 but I put it one notch down to tone down the red a pinch. Brightness at 1 didn't look bad to me either but I leave it at 0 to get a little more punch from the image. I had contrast at 41 until I noticed it clips red so putting it at 36 fixed that. Loving the image of this tv, it's a bit too yellow on skin tones and like I said red is oversaturated but other than that it's a stunning image.
23 was also my color result and contrast was 39 before I noticed clipping.

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Though I'm still using my broken screen TV,...
So sorry for your broken screen, so unfortunate you have to go thru all this.

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23 was also my color result and contrast was 39 before I noticed clipping.

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Interesting, 39 is what I get with game mode engaged.
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So sorry for your broken screen, so unfortunate you have to go thru all this.
Thank you. Appreciate that. The good news is that I got to do a lot of testing on multiple modes and sources and compare against my Q9fn and I'm happy to say it's worth the money. It's nice also to see so many owners loving their sets. Such a different vibe to the thread when compared to last year.
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Now I have another huge issue, HDR is not working with game mode at all. When I turn game mode on the input signal still says HDR but it's definitely not HDR anymore.
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Aquaman has some ridiculous picture quality. Bumblebee is good as well and the whole movie is full screen which is great. Miss Peregrine looks great on any set as well, that's my sleeper HDR movie I always demo for people.
I watched Aquaman last night and it looked fantastic and the sound made my LFE go nonstop. This was the first movie I watched fully through as I had just watched parts of other movies to try out the different settings. I watched Mission Impossible: Fallout tonight. It was good as well, not Aquaman good in terms of picture quality, but the IMAX scenes were fantastic.
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These do look good, so you like the 90R over the Kuro then?
I don't regret my purchase at all. I watched all the clips from the Disney WOW disc tonight and now I want to go back through my entire Blu-ray library and rewatch everything. Clean 1080p looks great on the Q90R. The lack of dithering/dancing pixels on LCD, which I got used to on my Kuro, makes the image clearer and more realistic.

My only regret is not going with the 75" I'll upgrade next year though and put this in my den as a dedicated gaming display.
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Yes, seeing something in person is always the better less risky route, but there is no SOE if you turn auto motion off or keep it around 0,0. However, motion to me at least is better on my moms 75" 900f. Despite that, I'd pick this set and the Q9fn over the 900f each and every time. To me they are in different classes for numerous other reasons and the motion on the Q9 both this year and last year are more than good enough...unless you literally are looking for weirdness like a bird flying very fast flapping it's wings in planet earth 2 and you have auto motion set to Auto.
What are some of the reasons you consider the Samsung to be in a different class? I'm just curious because it might help in my decision making process. I do watch a lot of cable TV and live sports (DirecTV), so good upscaling and motion are important characteristics for me.

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the Samsung will definitely have the punchier image. It'll have better blacks and more oled like highlights with its better precision. color volume also noticeably better on hdr content.

soe is adjustable via the judder control setting, it goes from 0-10. at 0 there is no soe, but may need to be Bumped up a couple notches to help the smoothness, but but judder isn't readily apparent until about 5.

this picture is from a video on YouTube that had the Q9FN and 900f side by side.

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I appreciate that information and screenshot. To be honest, outside of demo material at places like Best Buy, I've never viewed HDR content. I am extremely happy with the picture on my plasmas, and they are not super bright. I tend to prefer a more natural and realistic looking picture. That's not to say I won't be impressed with HDR, however, my main goal is to get a much larger screen for 4K playback and that will upscale well for DirecTV/live sports viewing. Having an eye-searing bright display is not a goal of mine. I'm able to keep my theater room relatively dark at all times.

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I've spent the last several years in a wait-and-see posture and decided it was time to move on from plasma. I've always been fairly particular about motion and it was a concern of mine moving to LCD, but I think the Q90R looks great in this regard. In fact, it looks great, period. No way I'd go back to my Kuro after seeing the Q90R. But as I mentioned in my earlier post, it's an absolutely brutal display that will reveal every last flaw in the source. My Kuro masked a lot of those flaws. The upside is that the best sources look phenomenal—bright and punchy with deep blacks and minimal blooming that I don't find objectionable.

Maybe I've just lost my edge as I've gotten older, but I tend to view the differences between all these high-end displays as extreme nitpicking. The top models from all manufacturers look great this year and it's impossible to make a bad choice. The issues that plagued the Q9FN have been resolved in the Q90R. It's not a perfect display, but that's because the perfect display doesn't exist.
I agree completely about nitpicking. However, it's what I (and a lot of others here) do before dropping this kind of money on a TV. Speaking of which, that is one of the major things I need to decide... whether or not the Q90R is worth $2k more than the larger X900F. I don't know when Samsung prices typically begin to drop, but I can't justify the current price of the 82" Q90R at this time.

It's encouraging to hear that you would not go back to your Kuro after experiencing the Q90R, though.
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Make it three, accidentally hit ambient mode button, same problems as you and had to factory reset. Hope Samsung fixes this soon.



Enjoying the 82 Q90R a lot!! Aquaman has reference picture and sound and my HDR10+ disc collection looks out of this world on this TV. Bumblebee is on tomorrow. I really do not see any local dimming glitches. Was great to the the Oppo screen saver on this set, there is the brand name OPPO in white letters wandering around the screen, on my previous edge lit set the whole side of the screen from top to bottom would boom up, this is not at all the case on this TV. Awesome.
I've only seen local dimming glitches on Daredevil season 3 but that's about it. Something about that show cause LD to trip in a small number of scenes.

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I agree completely about nitpicking. However, it's what I (and a lot of others here) do before dropping this kind of money on a TV.
I know, I did it for years. I probably spent more time calibrating TVs over the last 15 or so years than many people spend watching them I have a high risk tolerance for this stuff though and have no problem flipping a recent purchase if I'm not happy.
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