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I watched the video. Can’t get those 10 mins back of my life.


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LMFAO...." OLED Killer"

Bound to get the blood moving on several of the regulars.... I can already see have taken their sides in the ring judging by these posts I have read


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Not defending Quantum Apotheosis here, or the settings he used, but his other video that showed blooming is a serious concern (if his panel is not experiencing any problems that is)

That is really bad looking, almost as if Local dimming was not working properly.
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The blooming on Q90r looks terrible. Yikes.

Was considering this tv. Now not sure. Two down today - X95G and Q90r.
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^man cmon that guy is a clown,...wait till some owners have it then make an informed decision.

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The blooming looks pretty much what it looked like on both my Q9FN and Q900 when looking at it from a verticle angle. Except not as bad. Are we saying the Q8FN has better blooming control than both the Q9FN Q900 and now Q90? Its probably the mixture of being brighter and the camera over exposing it.
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I think a few more threads like these we may truly get one that says "OLED Revived" not killed. The only thing that may be "killed" here once and for all is as @video_analysis put it Shamsung and Samdung.
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The blooming looks pretty much what it looked like on both my Q9FN and Q900 when looking at it from a verticle angle. Except not as bad. Are we saying the Q8FN has better blooming control than both the Q9FN Q900 and now Q90? Its probably the mixture of being brighter and the camera over exposing it.
On my 75Q9FN it didn't look nearly as bad, but on my 82Q8FN, no blooming at all. He might have a bad panel on his hands, who knows?!

Really want the 82Q90, but will wait for more reviews to come in, hopefully some members that are getting their tv's will let us know about blooming, and DSE...
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That video is pure click bait lol. You can get blooming on any fald TV by cranking the back light to such an extreme setting on a black menu screen. He could have done the same with the Q8. If you actually watch the video he never shows any settings for that very reason
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Well, he hates OLED even more. So? Guy is a clown.

I know he showed the carton at the end but where was the center bottom logo on the bezel of the one he was using in the Vid. It should be there. He's enough of a weasel to do whatever gives him clicks. He'll do this for a a few month and then come up with his special settings that no one else has that make it the best set ever. Click, click, click.
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Exactly lol I cant believe were taking quantum apothesis seriously when he gets mocked on here constantly for all his OLED are trash and how his Q8FN and Sony LCD is better than OLED videos he does.
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@js950 couldnt agree more. Its an incredible waste of anyones time to watch his videos let alone make an informed decision when buying. I would honestly urge new members never to watch that clowns videos.
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I'm no fan of LCD displays, and I've been terribly disappointed by Samsung displays (and many other products) as an owner more than once. I'm not about to write off what may end up being g a decent display just for the crimes of being born an LCD to Samsung parents, though.

The reviews are sounding pretty positive to date. Looking forward to reading more. I genuinely love my OLED, but measuring faults to faults along side my viewing/gaming habits and typical lighting conditions, I think it wouldn't hurt to consider this one so far.
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Exactly lol I cant believe were taking quantum apothesis seriously when he gets mocked on here constantly for all his OLED are trash and how his Q8FN and Sony LCD is better than OLED videos he does.

Yesterday he posted a video that his new Oled C8 he just got developed burn in after only 1 week lol he would have had to do it intentionally to get burn in that fast.
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Well, don't know what to make of this. But sure looks bad. Hell, even my edge lit 2015 LG 65UF8500 LED/LCD looks way better than that. Either the guy has a really bad one...or Samsung hand picked the ones sent to reviewers. Or he's pulling a fast one on us in some way.

It is interesting that he seems to be the only one with a recent review that I found on Youtube. Guess he just got lucky with the delivery.

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Well, don't know what to make of this. But sure looks bad. Hell, even my edge lit 2015 LG 65UF8500 LED/LCD looks way better than that. Either the guy has a really bad one...or Samsung hand picked the ones sent to reviewers. Or he's pulling a fast one on us in some way.

It is interesting that he seems to be the only one with a recent review that I found on Youtube. Guess he just got lucky with the delivery.

Looks like most folks ignore his videos as he sucks as a reviewer and has made questionable comments before.
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Here's a new one...verdict..

"At the time of writing the QE65Q90R represents a huge leap for LCD technology. The way it combines a effective viewing angles with imperious new black levels is unprecedented. Those black levels contribute to the most all-round spectacular HDR pictures the TV world has seen to date."

"The QE65Q90R is such a step forward for LCD, that its main competitors are now OLED TVs such as the LG C8, Sony AF9 and Philips 55 OLED 903. While those sets might deliver a touch more lighting precision and zero off-axis blooming, they can’t reach the QE65Q90R’s brightness levels. And you need to handle them with a little care to avoid image retention, too."

"Verdict
The Samsung QE65Q90R is a superlative TV that gets closer than any set before it to marrying the benefits of LCD and OLED in one package."

A lot more... https://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/samsung-qe65q90r

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^^^^^ look at the reviewer.
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Here's a new one...verdict..



"At the time of writing the QE65Q90R represents a huge leap for LCD technology. The way it combines a effective viewing angles with imperious new black levels is unprecedented. Those black levels contribute to the most all-round spectacular HDR pictures the TV world has seen to date."



"The QE65Q90R is such a step forward for LCD, that its main competitors are now OLED TVs such as the LG C8, Sony AF9 and Philips 55 OLED 903. While those sets might deliver a touch more lighting precision and zero off-axis blooming, they can’t reach the QE65Q90R’s brightness levels. And you need to handle them with a little care to avoid image retention, too."



"Verdict

The Samsung QE65Q90R is a superlative TV that gets closer than any set before it to marrying the benefits of LCD and OLED in one package."



A lot more... https://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/samsung-qe65q90r
This is a reprint of the Forbes review by John Archer.

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Here's a new one...verdict..

"At the time of writing the QE65Q90R represents a huge leap for LCD technology. The way it combines a effective viewing angles with imperious new black levels is unprecedented. Those black levels contribute to the most all-round spectacular HDR pictures the TV world has seen to date."

"The QE65Q90R is such a step forward for LCD, that its main competitors are now OLED TVs such as the LG C8, Sony AF9 and Philips 55 OLED 903. While those sets might deliver a touch more lighting precision and zero off-axis blooming, they can’t reach the QE65Q90R’s brightness levels. And you need to handle them with a little care to avoid image retention, too."

"Verdict
The Samsung QE65Q90R is a superlative TV that gets closer than any set before it to marrying the benefits of LCD and OLED in one package."

A lot more... https://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/samsung-qe65q90r
There is an entire thread devoted to the launch of Samsung's 2019 Q90: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-l...ed-lineup.html

I thought the purpose of this thread was to discuss whether the Q90 was a threat to WOLEDs continued dominance of the Premium TV Segment or not...

For what it is worth, my opinion is that if the Q90 actually delivers to the promise of these early reviews, and if it suffers from panel-lottery/nonumiformity/DSE no worse that the average WOLED TV, it's largely going to come down to a question of price.

If LGs C9 WOLEDs continue to undercut Samsung's 9-Series QLED/LCD Flagship by 10-15% (55" and 65"), I believe WOLEDs continued dominance in those Segments of the Premium TV Market is assured for another year.

The scaremongering regarding burn-in is diminishing every year and now only impacts the buying decision of a small subsegment of Premium TV buyers that game or watch cable news heavily; the benefits of brighter HDR Highlights are lost on most Premium TV customers (and in Cinema Mode, the QLED/LCDs advantage of ~1500 versus ~1000 cd/m2 translates into a perceptual difference of only +22% brighter HDR highlights); the other plusses and minuses including Dolby Atmos versus improved anti-reflective coating, HDMI 2.1 versus One-Connect-Box, etc... all translate roughly into a wash.

In the end, if these two TVs are as close in PQ as is being promised, it'll come down to which vendor can put that outstanding PQ into the hands of customers at the lowest price that is likely to determine which class of TV ends up on top...
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"The Q8FN is better than the Q90"...

Is this reviewer credible?

He is always trying to justify the displays that he owns and never has keep a high end tv.
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Not defending Quantum Apotheosis here, or the settings he used, but his other video that showed blooming is a serious concern (if his panel is not experiencing any problems that is)

That is really bad looking, almost as if Local dimming was not working properly.


I saw the video, expect blooming at that angle, he never was dead center though he pretended to be dead center. never showed his settings. Let’s wait first for the owners here.
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I saw the video, expect blooming at that angle, he never was dead center though he pretended to be dead center. never showed his settings. Let’s wait first for the owners here.

He showed the settings in his 1st video, but he kept "setting the camera down" to change the scene, but you don't know if he was also changing settings too, can't trust that guy. Plus his settings were whack and nobody on the forums uses settings like that.

This guy is always claiming to be a professional calibrator yet he uses a $200 meter u can buy off ebay lol
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I saw the video, expect blooming at that angle, he never was dead center though he pretended to be dead center. never showed his settings. Let’s wait first for the owners here.
If you can get great blacks but only from dead-center or great off-angle viewing but only for bright scenes, that's going to be an issue...
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He showed the settings in his 1st video, but he kept "setting the camera down" to change the scene, but you don't know if he was also changing settings too, can't trust that guy. Plus his settings were whack and nobody on the forums uses settings like that.

This guy is always claiming to be a professional calibrator yet he uses a $200 meter u can buy off ebay lol

He does seem to be on a mission today with his C8 getting burn in after a week video too.


Anyone with common sense though knows that if one display is brighter than the other shown it can blow out on the camera and you will see the blooming from it off axis. That's how a camera works and anyone with a hint of common sense knows this. Even on axis it may show if the camera is blowing it out. From what I can see the area of the bloom is much tighter to the words on screen than both the Q9FN and Q900 so I can see that its reduced over them and no one with sense is going to think the Q8FN has less blooming that those especially the Q900 which pretty much had no blooming at all head on apart from the rare occasion. Considering the Q90 has a even deeper black filter + even better blooming control apparently theres no way its going to be worse than the Q8FN.

For example heres the revenant in HDR on the Q900 I had. One pic is how it actually looks in person and the other is with me blowing out the image. Not a single bit of bloom at all from the normal picture. Its easy to show backlight bloom when you overexpose everything.
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Except you get to have that added brightness if and when you want/need it plus a wider color gamut, greater color volume and without any risk of image retention. They all have their pluses and minuses. Video quality is not just about blacks even though everyone with an OLED will tell you so.
Contrast is the most important aspect of PQ, and black levels are the biggest indicator of contrast performance.
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He showed the settings in his 1st video, but he kept "setting the camera down" to change the scene, but you don't know if he was also changing settings too, can't trust that guy. Plus his settings were whack and nobody on the forums uses settings like that.

This guy is always claiming to be a professional calibrator yet he uses a $200 meter u can buy off ebay lol

He does seem to be on a mission today with his C8 getting burn in after a week video too.


Anyone with common sense though knows that if one display is brighter than the other shown it can blow out on the camera and you will see the blooming from it off axis. That's how a camera works and anyone with a hint of common sense knows this. Even on axis it may show if the camera is blowing it out. From what I can see the area of the bloom is much tighter to the words on screen than both the Q9FN and Q900 so I can see that its reduced over them and no one with sense is going to think the Q8FN has less blooming that those especially the Q900 which pretty much had no blooming at all head on apart from the rare occasion. Considering the Q90 has a even deeper black filter + even better blooming control apparently theres no way its going to be worse than the Q8FN.

For example heres the revenant in HDR on the Q900 I had. One pic is how it actually looks in person and the other is with me blowing out the image. Not a single bit of bloom at all from the normal picture. Its easy to show backlight bloom when you overexpose everything.
You mean such this video is which the OLED tv looks like blooming

at 0:35

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Contrast is the most important aspect of PQ, and black levels are the biggest indicator of contrast performance.
Really? I thought image retention does the most to screw up what I'm watching. Did in my Panny. Banding, visible gradients, Judder, stutter etc all do more to limit my viewing experience than ultimate black level. We're not comparing stills when watching media. Something not oft mentioned with OLED is color volume and how it's limited by the woled which is needed to achieve any sort of competitive brightness. All display formats are far from perfect yet all can be fulfilling.

There's a lot to consider and this myopic view that black level is almost all that matters in a dynamic medium is silly. It like you guys sit around in a circle repeating the black mantra. There's a lot of ingredients to that cake and we don't all have to like the same flavor.
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Really? I thought image retention does the most to screw up what I'm watching. Did in my Panny. Banding, visible gradients, Judder, stutter etc all do more to limit my viewing experience than ultimate black level. We're not comparing stills when watching media. Something not oft mentioned with OLED is color volume and how it's limited by the woled which is needed to achieve any sort of competitive brightness. All display formats are far from perfect yet all can be fulfilling.

There's a lot to consider and this myopic view that black level is almost all that matters in a dynamic medium is silly. It like you guys sit around in a circle repeating the black mantra. There's a lot of ingredients to that cake and we don't all have to like the same flavor.

Whatever makes you feel better about inferior contrast.
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Thanks for proving my point.

By the way, I'm an emissive display owner (Kuro), not LCD biased.

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