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Can't tell from your pic but did you remove the plastic film? There is a separate protective film covering this piece.

The screen you mean? Yes. Does yours look like mine? Just making sure I'm not an idiot and this is normal.
Not the screen. The screen was one big piece and then there is another protective film just cover that strip.
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And yes. I have that strip. I think it looks fine once I removed the film. I don't even notice at all.
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No difference in backlight brightness with local dimming on high. It just changes the aggressiveness of the dimming and detail.



The brightness is still disappointing to me but the richness of the color makes up for it.

Local dimming I high should make the picture brighter, that's how Samsung tvs work. But it's a slow transition so you have to wait a few seconds for it to ramp up. If it's not doing that, there may be something wrong it it.
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Local dimming I high should make the picture brighter, that's how Samsung tvs work. But it's a slow transition so you have to wait a few seconds for it to ramp up. If it's not doing that, there may be something wrong it it.

Gotcha. I think we just misunderstood each other. I meant that the backlight brightness on max with local dimming on high was slightly disappointing. The screen does get brighter going Low/Standard/High.



I do go back on my statement a bit. The picture is plenty bright with full backlight. It's just not AS bright as the edge lit Q60R. The sacrifice is worth it though because the colors are amazing and the local dimming is great. Very deep blacks and the processor is snappy and keeps up with the image. No noticeable lag in dimming.
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Can the Q70R do 4k at 120Hz? What is the VRR frequency range? Thx.
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Can the Q70R do 4k at 120Hz? What is the VRR frequency range? Thx.

It's hard to find any retail details on FreeSync and VRR. There's a setting for Standard and Ultimate and I can't find the difference.

One interesting thing is the Xbox One X has an option for variable frame rate in the settings. I enabled the option but it changed my resolution to 1080p so it might be locked to 1080p/120hz. I'll have to experiment more.
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Can the Q70R do 4k at 120Hz? What is the VRR frequency range? Thx.

I suspect we will have to wait until that German site that tests that stuff gets translated or Rtings.com tests it. Those seem to be the only places that test that stuff.


I'm actually very surprised that all the Samsung sets this year aren't Full HDMI 2.1 certified right out of the box. Samsung had pretty much all the HDMI 2.1 features on the 2018 sets, they were way ahead of the curve.


I'm personally only interested in sets 80" or above, the closer to 90" the better. (my couch is quite far back) It seems LG is going to offer 86" LCDs this year that *may* have full HDMI 2.1 so I'm waiting to see how they compare. Last year, the only 86" set from LG was a 8-bit panel with poor brightness and HDR.


In any case, I don't buy anything until Black Friday when the prices drop massively, so Rtings has until then to get all their reviews up!
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It's hard to find any retail details on FreeSync and VRR. There's a setting for Standard and Ultimate and I can't find the difference.

One interesting thing is the Xbox One X has an option for variable frame rate in the settings. I enabled the option but it changed my resolution to 1080p so it might be locked to 1080p/120hz. I'll have to experiment more.

According to Rtings, even last years Q6FN can do 1440/120Hz, but only if you turn off Chroma 4:4:4


" The Samsung Q6FN supports most of the common resolutions without issue. Strangely, it supports 1440p @ 120 Hz without issue as long as Chroma 4:4:4 is not used, but 1440p @ 60 Hz is not supported.
4k @ 60 Hz with Chroma 4:4:4 or 4:2:2 require HDMI UHD Color enabled for the port used. For all resolutions Chroma 4:4:4 requires the input label to be set to PC "
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According to Rtings, even last years Q6FN can do 1440/120Hz, but only if you turn off Chroma 4:4:4

" The Samsung Q6FN supports most of the common resolutions without issue. Strangely, it supports 1440p @ 120 Hz without issue as long as Chroma 4:4:4 is not used, but 1440p @ 60 Hz is not supported.
4k @ 60 Hz with Chroma 4:4:4 or 4:2:2 require HDMI UHD Color enabled for the port used. For all resolutions Chroma 4:4:4 requires the input label to be set to PC "
Many thanks for the info!
I reached out to rtings regarding this issue and this is the conversation below with surnames and email addresses removed. Note, you want to start from the bottom:

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We've only tested the VRR on the Q900 so far, and it has a 4k VRR range of 48-60. It is technically a 2018 model though, so we don't know yet if anything has changed. As far as we can tell, the Samsung TVs technically implement FreeSync (not FreeSync 2). They do support LFC, but only at 1080p. LFC requires the maximum refresh rate to be at least twice the minimum, so for a 4k display, this would require either a refresh rate range of 30-60 Hz, or to support a higher maximum refresh rate, with a range like 40-80 Hz or 48-96 Hz. As these surpass the bandwidth limitations of HDMI 2.0, it isn't possible yet.
Welcome to the site, and thank you very much for your contribution!
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From: Nick
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 11:18 AM
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Many thanks for your reply!
I didn't really expect the Q80 or Q70 to be able to accept a 120Hz 4k input from a computer, but it would be great if the VRR went down to a lower frame rate. As you reported in your reviews, the VRR on the Q7, Q8 etc only goes from 48Hz to 60Hz. Is this range the same for the 2019 Samsungs? I am really hoping for a range 40Hz to 60Hz, or even 30Hz to 60Hz. Do you know how low VRR goes on the 2019 Samsungs? Does Samsung call it "Freesync 2"? If so, then that would imply that it can go down to lower frame rates, right?
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On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 6:27 AM Adam wrote:

Hi Nick,
Thanks for your email!
We should be receiving the 55" Q70 today, but the 55" Q80 isn't out yet. We will order it once it is available. We don't expect these models to support 4k 120 Hz 4:4:4, as that requires HDMI 2.1, which these TVs do not support. The Q90 is supposed to support 4k 120 Hz, but only at 4:2:0, 8-bit, as it is possible to fit that within HDMI 2.0 bandwidth. So far this year, only LG has confirmed that their top-tier TVs will support HDMI 2.1 full bandwidth, but even then, there are no devices currently on the market that can output 4k 120 Hz 4:4:4.
We are currently working on the Samsung Q900, which should be our next review, followed by the Q60.
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From: Nick
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 12:00 AM
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I’d love to see a review of the new Samsung Q80 or Q70 in a 55inch panel. I’m especially interested to see if they accept a 4k 120hz 4:4:4 signal. And also what the VRR frequency range is. Perhaps you know those things already?
What TV are you planning to review next? When do you think the review will be ready?
Thanks for your great work. I will become a contributor soon.
Best regards,
Nick
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Abt Electronics review is up and I can see that damn black border at the bottom. At least I know it's just how it is now. Again, it's not something you can see from a couch or unless you are specifically looking for it but I still think it's an odd design choice. I just wonder if it's functional and related to FALD since the edge lit Q60 does not have it.


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Abt Electronics review is up and I can see that damn black border at the bottom. At least I know it's just how it is now. Again, it's not something you can see from a couch or unless you are specifically looking for it but I still think it's an odd design choice. I just wonder if it's functional and related to FALD since the edge lit Q60 does not have it.


He said hdmi 2.1 did he not? Im more and more confident earc will be here sooner than later.

Mine just ship with AGS. Do these ship from korea?
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Made it through my first movie on the Q70R (Creed II). Extremely happy with the purchase. Blindly bright HDR, deep blacks, super sharp image and great color. The local dimming on high did a tremendous job. Other than the black strip above the bottom bezel (I'm going to complain about that in every post), it's a near flawless TV. FALD is definitely the way to go
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He said hdmi 2.1 did he not? Im more and more confident earc will be here sooner than later.

Mine just ship with AGS. Do these ship from korea?
I think that was a mistake, all except Q900 are confirmed HDMI 2.0b. Samsung said at least the Q90 will support 4k120 4:2:0 8 bit, which is right at the limit of 2.0b's bandwidth.
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Made it through my first movie on the Q70R (Creed II). Extremely happy with the purchase. Blindly bright HDR, deep blacks, super sharp image and great color. The local dimming on high did a tremendous job. Other than the black strip above the bottom bezel (I'm going to complain about that in every post), it's a near flawless TV. FALD is definitely the way to go
Awesome, thanks for the quick review. I was worried when you said it wasn't bright at first, but that all sounds pretty great. Been looking at an 82Q6 or 82Q60 but I think I'm gonna have to spring for the FALD. I have a One X also, how does the dimming perform in game mode?
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^I had the q7 for a hot minute and couldn't stand it once the lights went out, go for the q70 if you can!
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Hi dcx4610, that sounds great! Without the extreme viewing angles of the q80/90 is it still very acceptable? Or do you loose blacks in a slight angle? Also can you please check this (question also asked by another forum member): can you to try out any programming with subtitles, I'm wondering if Samsung has ironed out their 2018 issue with subtitles causing fluctuations in overall image brightness.

If this isn't an issue I might place my order.
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Just got moved in to my new house and was looking at the 75” Q70R. For the same price I can get the 2018 75 Q8FN. Are this years improvements worth it over last year’s step up model?
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If anyone gets the 82”, please tell me if you see any ghosting as was reported extensively on the previous 82” Q6 and Q8.

I am having a 82” Q70 delivered shortly to replace the Q6 I have due to this issue.
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Abt Electronics review is up and I can see that damn black border at the bottom. At least I know it's just how it is now. Again, it's not something you can see from a couch or unless you are specifically looking for it but I still think it's an odd design choice. I just wonder if it's functional and related to FALD since the edge lit Q60 does not have it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSIWqQcfXVI
I stopped watching the moment he said it has hdmi 2.1 ports.
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It's hard to find any retail details on FreeSync and VRR. There's a setting for Standard and Ultimate and I can't find the difference.

One interesting thing is the Xbox One X has an option for variable frame rate in the settings. I enabled the option but it changed my resolution to 1080p so it might be locked to 1080p/120hz. I'll have to experiment more.
Not hard to find at all. Page 142 in manual.
http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/co...TSCR-1.0.7.pdf
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Here's a picture. It was hard to capture. It reminds me of one of those security stickers on the inside of movie cases but it appears to be glued to the screen and designed that way.
the most weird design, together with that gap between bezel and screen and a strange corner insert. are you 100% sure it can't be removed? because 2018 TVs had similar protective tape on the bottom that was easy to peel off.
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Made it through my first movie on the Q70R (Creed II). Extremely happy with the purchase. Blindly bright HDR, deep blacks, super sharp image and great color. The local dimming on high did a tremendous job. Other than the black strip above the bottom bezel (I'm going to complain about that in every post), it's a near flawless TV. FALD is definitely the way to go
It's great to hear that you are pleased so far! except for the strip on the bottom. Others have brought up a flickering or some picture distortion when viewing subtitles. I frequently use subtitles and am concerned with this. Have you noticed any abnormalities when using subtitles? In your travels through your Q70R, could you give your observations on the 'using subtitles' performance??
Thanks again for pioneering all of our adventures!
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Lots of requests for subtitle performance impressions. I'll try to get to get around to testing that as soon as possible.
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the most weird design, together with that gap between bezel and screen and a strange corner insert. are you 100% sure it can't be removed? because 2018 TVs had similar protective tape on the bottom that was easy to peel off.

I'm almost certain it's part of the screen. I tried to carefully see if I could peel it off but it's hard plastic and seems to be glued on. I don't know the logic behind it. I'm waiting for Best Buy to put theirs on the floor just to see if it h as the same thing. Someone in the Q80 forum mentioned there's has the same strip though. Also, holding up a flashlight to it, you can the pixels of the screen, the border and then the strip. So the sizing it accurate and the strip isn't covering any of the visible display.
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So i watched the youtube video the other day where a guy from here said his samsung source said there was a big update coming from 2018-19 samsungs, but he couldnt release the details. Well i just noticed the comment he left when i said i was hoping for earc.
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That would be probably the best and most realistic outcome. I would be more than happy with that.
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That would be probably the best and most realistic outcome. I would be more than happy with that.
it only makes sense, and as an xbox gamer with a 7.1.4 atmos setup, its needed for best audio and to take advantage of the vrr allm etc. I ordered a 65” q70 friday as i was pretty confident it will be added at some point, now i feel even more sure and now it might even come sooner than later
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I have not been able to find an answer to this question so I am hoping that someone here could help me out. Does the q70r lack the anti reflective abilities of the q90r? Even in the 82 inch size?

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I have not been able to find an answer to this question so I am hoping that someone here could help me out. Does the q70r lack the anti reflective abilities of the q90r? Even in the 82 inch size?

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Yes, it is listed in the specs as Ultra Black Elite under Features if it is present (and it's not listed for the Q70R, including the 82").
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Yes, it is listed in the specs as Ultra Black Elite under Features if it is present (and it's not listed for the Q70R, including the 82").
Thank you for helping me out!

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