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Just saw the Q70R, was shocked at how bad it looks.

I currently own a 2018 q7. I was looking to possibly trade up to this years Q90R or Q70R seeing how this years Q70R has local dimming.
I just got back from local Best Buy and out on the main floor they had a Q90R and Q70R side by side. The Q90R looked "ok" though I could see a lower color gamut than my Q7.
Then I looked at the Q70R.... wow, what a hot mess. The q70 has a semi gloss screen that absolute RUINS it right out of the gate. The Q70 screen coating is a technical marvel in FAILURE. It is a semi gloss screen that somehow manages to reflect everything coming at it from the outside, while simultaneously diffusing the outbound LED colors so that Blacks are Grey and everything else is a blurry washed out Vaseline glow. Horrible!! Now I am having a panick attack if anything ever happens to my current Q7, I will be really at a loss.
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I'm upgrading from an Edge-lit 65" KS8000 to this Q70R in 75". Will be delivered on Thursday. Can't wait to see that bad boy in my main living room. I agree that the semi-gloss finish is a bit distracting. Will post my first impressions here once I get the 75" setup. At best buy playing some non-demo content (youtube 4K videos), the black looks black, no noticeable blooming. I'm just super excited right now and hoping that the FALD works as it should.
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I currently own a 2018 q7. I was looking to possibly trade up to this years Q90R or Q70R seeing how this years Q70R has local dimming.
I just got back from local Best Buy and out on the main floor they had a Q90R and Q70R side by side. The Q90R looked "ok" though I could see a lower color gamut than my Q7.
Then I looked at the Q70R.... wow, what a hot mess. The q70 has a semi gloss screen that absolute RUINS it right out of the gate. The Q70 screen coating is a technical marvel in FAILURE. It is a semi gloss screen that somehow manages to reflect everything coming at it from the outside, while simultaneously diffusing the outbound LED colors so that Blacks are Grey and everything else is a blurry washed out Vaseline glow. Horrible!! Now I am having a panick attack if anything ever happens to my current Q7, I will be really at a loss.
i agree,the q70r screen finish is horrible and the colors dont seem that bright.i returned mine within a week,i couldnt stand it.the screen finish is matte.its like watching a tv with wax paper over it.

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...Am I doing something wrong or is Plex not available from the app store? That would be insane if it's not available.
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EDIT: I see, by actually reading the forum, that the 49" does not have a 120hz display. Sad...would have been great...just think 55" will be too much.





I'm looking at a possible upgrade for my arcade cabinet. My main screen is a 75" Q9FN, and I love playing PC games at [email protected] The screen response time is just spectacular, and motion looks amazing.



My arcade cabinet has a 49" curved qled that I've really been happy with, but I'm always looking to keep pushing this thing forward. I have a beefy PC powering this machine, and it supports from 70s - 20xx era games. So, I'm wondering if the 49" Q70R can handle [email protected], similar to the Q9FN? I think that might be worth giving up the curve, even though I love it on my 4 player cabinet.



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Just got my 75" Q70R setup and all I can say is it's the best performing TV for the price right now! The Semi-gloss finish doesn't bother me at all! The picture is way brighter than my old KS8000. HDR just pops! And the Local Dimming works great! Black looks black and no DSE so far when watching hockey! Oh my god I just can't contain my happiness right now...
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EDIT: I see, by actually reading the forum, that the 49" does not have a 120hz display. Sad...would have been great...just think 55" will be too much.





I'm looking at a possible upgrade for my arcade cabinet. My main screen is a 75" Q9FN, and I love playing PC games at [email protected] The screen response time is just spectacular, and motion looks amazing.



My arcade cabinet has a 49" curved qled that I've really been happy with, but I'm always looking to keep pushing this thing forward. I have a beefy PC powering this machine, and it supports from 70s - 20xx era games. So, I'm wondering if the 49" Q70R can handle [email protected], similar to the Q9FN? I think that might be worth giving up the curve, even though I love it on my 4 player cabinet.



Thanks.
Samsung typically includes VRR support only in TVs with 120 Hz panels.
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It is not available at this time according to the Plex forum. There is a bug with the app on the 2019 Samsung TVs. They say they’re working on it. There is a beta vs over there you can download and install via usb. I have not done so yet so can’t verify if it works.


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Ordered the 75" Q70R to replace a 65" KS9000, hoping it handles reflections the same or better.
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Q70R 49" as PC Monitor

I just graduated from a low standard 4k TV to a 49" Q70R. I couldn't be happier! having the 4:4:4 Chroma and 15ms input lag is amazing for a tv considering PC monitors have somewhere between 1 to 5ms input lag depending on quality and their size is drastically smaller and only 1080p. Jumping to 49" is perfect. I was a little worried about the input lag, but after doing research and finding the Q70R has roughly a 15ms input lag, with Game Enhancer off, I was sold. The larger your screen the more input lag you will have. Personally I feel anything larger then a 50" tv for a PC monitor is way too big anyway.

I will say I still keep my PC monitor handy for when I really need that 1ms input lag for FPS gaming. You just can't beat it even if you don't get your 4k quality image.

Anyone else have any feedback on the Q70R as a PC monitor??
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Does anyone knows how many nits Q70R can reach at its peak brightness ? I'm comparing Q70R and 2018 QLED for my next TV. Thanks a lot.
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Does anyone knows how many nits Q70R can reach at its peak brightness ? I'm comparing Q70R and 2018 QLED for my next TV. Thanks a lot.
Rtings got 762 cd/m2 in HDR for full scene peak brightness. The highest any size window got was 766. (SDR full scene 397, smaller window peaking to 519)
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Rtings got 762 cd/m2 in HDR for full scene peak brightness. The highest any size window got was 766. (SDR full scene 397, smaller window peaking to 519)
Wow ! Its peak brightness is more than I originally expected. Thank you very much, but can I ask where Rtings release their Q70R review ?
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Rtings got 762 cd/m2 in HDR for full scene peak brightness. The highest any size window got was 766. (SDR full scene 397, smaller window peaking to 519)
Wow ! Its peak brightness is more than I originally expected. Thank you very much, but can I ask where Rtings release their Q70R review ?
They give early access to test results to paid contributors, the full review should be out tomorrow on their site. I’ve been looking at a Q70 but ended up going with a Q7fn, it’s edge lit but it can peak highlights up to 2200+ cd/m2 and I watch in a very bright room. The color gamut and volume have also dropped significantly from the Q7FN, I don’t know why that is since this one doesn’t have a wide angle filter. Native contrast on the Q70 is fantastic though at 7250:1, 8056:1 with local dimming.
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Native contrast on the Q70 is fantastic though at 7250:1, 8056:1 with local dimming.
That's rather impressive for LCD, but I would have never guessed the 75" and 82" might measure a higher contrast than many nearby TVs after seeing them in two different showrooms. Nebraska Furniture Mart is about the most light controlled store these days around here, and both did not seem to have notable black levels at all. Neither store had a Q60 or Q6FN for comparison, but I have to guess the Q70 must have similar reflections as those models to explain my opinion. I think the Q7FN had been removed to make room for the Q70, but I remember the Q7FN having a glossier screen finish that helped make black look darker with some light in the room.
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Native contrast on the Q70 is fantastic though at 7250:1, 8056:1 with local dimming.
That's rather impressive for LCD, but I would have never guessed the 75" and 82" might measure a higher contrast than many nearby TVs after seeing them in two different showrooms. Nebraska Furniture Mart is about the most light controlled store these days around here, and both did not seem to have notable black levels at all. Neither store had a Q60 or Q6FN for comparison, but I have to guess the Q70 must have similar reflections as those models to explain my opinion. I think the Q7FN had been removed to make room for the Q70, but I remember it having a glossier screen finish that helped make black look darker with some light in the room.
Yeah I have a 75” Q7FN, it’s glossy.
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Debating between the following 3 sets in 55 inch. Q8fn, Q70r, or oled C8. The q8 I've been readying about the DSE issue people have encountered and I don't want to go through that mess. The q70r so far from you guys it looks like DSE is not a big issue but the set may be inferior from last years. For the C8 it looks great but not looking into having turn-in issues.

What do you guys recommend? It's to replace a 51 inch plasma in the bedroom.
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They give early access to test results to paid contributors, the full review should be out tomorrow on their site. I’ve been looking at a Q70 but ended up going with a Q7fn, it’s edge lit but it can peak highlights up to 2200+ cd/m2 and I watch in a very bright room. The color gamut and volume have also dropped significantly from the Q7FN, I don’t know why that is since this one doesn’t have a wide angle filter. Native contrast on the Q70 is fantastic though at 7250:1, 8056:1 with local dimming.
Thanks a lot.

Since Q70R's peak brightness only reaches 1/3 of Q7FN, it makes me disappointed. Although LCD/LED can't get as inky as OLED, it should perform its advantage by increasing brightness, but Q70R seems to be degenerated comparing to predecessor.

So Q70R can be regarded as Q6FN with FALD. To choose Q7FN's rich colors and high brightness, or to choose Q70R's FALD but not enough zones to overcome blooming effect, that's a question.

Another problem about Q70R is low frequency of backlight strobing. According to Rtings, many Samsung 2019 TV seem to show 120 times per second flickering when setting in Game mode or turning on Auto Motion Plus. I'm not a PWM geeker, but 120Hz PWM is ridiculously low in 2019 TV standard. I may reconsider which TV to choose for my family.

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Has anyone noticed a slight flickering in HDR scenes i.e. Jack Ryan with high contrast turned on? The dark areas would suddenly get lighted up.
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Has anyone noticed a slight flickering in HDR scenes i.e. Jack Ryan with high contrast turned on? The dark areas would suddenly get lighted up.

That's what dynamic contrast does. I would turn it off. It's a "hack" and not perfect.
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Review of Q70R is up on RTINGS. It does fairly well, although not as bright as last year's Q7FN. Contrast ratio very good, viewing angle and gray uniformity not so much. They rate it about even with the Sony X950G. They mention that there are still issues with subtitles causing changes in brightness.

https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/q70-q70r-qled
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I have it narrowed down to the Q70 or the Q90 in the 82” version. Other than price, stand, and the one connect box that the 90 has but 70 doesn’t have, is there really that much difference?

I am having a hard time justifying that extra $1500 or whatever the difference is between the two just for a external box and a stand that’s in the middle.
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Review of Q70R is up on RTINGS. It does fairly well, although not as bright as last year's Q7FN. Contrast ratio very good, viewing angle and gray uniformity not so much. They rate it about even with the Sony X950G. They mention that there are still issues with subtitles causing changes in brightness.

https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/q70-q70r-qled

Maybe offtopic, but are there any good FALD tvs which don't have subtitle blooming problem?
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Now that we've established that the wide-angle filter isn't the cause of gamut drop this year, anyone have any ideas on why Samsung isn't even matching 2016 gamut levels?
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Now that we've established that the wide-angle filter isn't the cause of gamut drop this year, anyone have any ideas on why Samsung isn't even matching 2016 gamut levels?
I would imagine cost. Across the board, the 2019 QLEDs are lower in price - and that was a huge knock against them the last few years as OLED prices have begun to drop.

Instead of focusing on raw contrast and color, they have taken a more subtle approach to picture processing. Everyone who has these sets all say the picture looks more "natural" than last years...but whether or not that truly means it is better is yet to be seen.

This is just further proof that we are at the end of LED LCD tech. I dont see any other innovations coming down the pipe for them - MicroLED is the real future.
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I have it narrowed down to the Q70 or the Q90 in the 82” version. Other than price, stand, and the one connect box that the 90 has but 70 doesn’t have, is there really that much difference?

I am having a hard time justifying that extra $1500 or whatever the difference is between the two just for a external box and a stand that’s in the middle.
Well sure if you only focus on design differences and not picture quality lol. The Q90 gets almost twice as bright, has far better local dimming, better with reflections, better viewing angles, and supports 4k120hz. Whether those are worth $1500 is up to you.
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Thanks a lot.

Since Q70R's peak brightness only reaches 1/3 of Q7FN, it makes me disappointed. Although LCD/LED can't get as inky as OLED, it should perform its advantage by increasing brightness, but Q70R seems to be degenerated comparing to predecessor.

So Q70R can be regarded as Q6FN with FALD. To choose Q7FN's rich colors and high brightness, or to choose Q70R's FALD but not enough zones to overcome blooming effect, that's a question.

Another problem about Q70R is low frequency of backlight strobing. According to Rtings, many Samsung 2019 TV seem to show 120 times per second flickering when setting in Game mode or turning on Auto Motion Plus. I'm not a PWM geeker, but 120Hz PWM is ridiculously low in 2019 TV standard. I may reconsider which TV to choose for my family.
The real scene measurement is much more important and a much better indicator of real life performance. The Q8FN had +1200 nits measurements on the test patterns but in practice barely reaches 500 nits in many scenes (in Movie mode, I believe in Game mode you do get high peaks. Well maybe not on the Q7FN, it only does well on the 10% window which seems the typical Samsung cheat mode for edge lit models)

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I would imagine cost. Across the board, the 2019 QLEDs are lower in price - and that was a huge knock against them the last few years as OLED prices have begun to drop.

Instead of focusing on raw contrast and color, they have taken a more subtle approach to picture processing. Everyone who has these sets all say the picture looks more "natural" than last years...but whether or not that truly means it is better is yet to be seen.

This is just further proof that we are at the end of LED LCD tech. I dont see any other innovations coming down the pipe for them - MicroLED is the real future.
The 'raw contrast' of the Q70 is probably the highest ever .

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Thanks a lot.

Since Q70R's peak brightness only reaches 1/3 of Q7FN, it makes me disappointed. Although LCD/LED can't get as inky as OLED, it should perform its advantage by increasing brightness, but Q70R seems to be degenerated comparing to predecessor.

So Q70R can be regarded as Q6FN with FALD. To choose Q7FN's rich colors and high brightness, or to choose Q70R's FALD but not enough zones to overcome blooming effect, that's a question.

Another problem about Q70R is low frequency of backlight strobing. According to Rtings, many Samsung 2019 TV seem to show 120 times per second flickering when setting in Game mode or turning on Auto Motion Plus. I'm not a PWM geeker, but 120Hz PWM is ridiculously low in 2019 TV standard. I may reconsider which TV to choose for my family.
The real scene measurement is much more important and a much better indicator of real life performance. The Q8FN had +1200 nits measurements on the test patterns but in practice barely reaches 500 nits in many scenes (in Movie mode, I believe in Game mode you do get high peaks. Well maybe not on the Q7FN, it only does well on the 10% window which seems the typical Samsung cheat mode for edge lit models)

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I would imagine cost. Across the board, the 2019 QLEDs are lower in price - and that was a huge knock against them the last few years as OLED prices have begun to drop.

Instead of focusing on raw contrast and color, they have taken a more subtle approach to picture processing. Everyone who has these sets all say the picture looks more "natural" than last years...but whether or not that truly means it is better is yet to be seen.

This is just further proof that we are at the end of LED LCD tech. I dont see any other innovations coming down the pipe for them - MicroLED is the real future.
The 'raw contrast' of the Q70 is probably the highest ever [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif[/IMG].

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I can easily say that this is the first QLED TV that reproduces the colors similar to what the director has seen. The previous models have always been missing something about the correct color rendering. Here, the distortions are insignificant and occur somewhere near the vertices of highly saturated colors. Skin colors, light sea colors and greens, however, have the correct saturation and shade. It's great to see progress and such calibration results!
I agree full scene is more important, and I could understand if it could only get a small window to 60-70% as bright as last year’s model. But 2200 nits on the Q7FN vs 760? That’s nearly triple... That along with the unnecessarily reduced color gamut and the awful Q60 just gives me the impression this year was about cost saving for Samsung. I went with a Q7FN and will probably take a look again when the 2020 models come around.
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