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2019 LG 86" SM9070PUA: Full HDMI 2.1 LCD

Looks like those of us lusting for a decently priced large TV with full HDMI 2.1 may have a savior in LG!


With Sony and Samsung only providing partial HDMI 2.1 features (Sony is only giving us eARC!!) on anything but their super-expensive halo 8K TVs, this leaves LG alone in the market.


Here is the article with the information.

It specifically says: "Through the inclusion of HDMI 2.1 ports, select LG NanoCell TVs will support advanced features such as high frame rate (HFR), variable refresh rate and enhanced audio return channel."


Notice how it says TVs, plural. We can only assume from the included chart that means the 65" SM9500PUA and the 75"/86" SM9070PUA at the very least.


Also backing this up is the fact B&H Photo lists these TVs as having eARC, which only the full HDMI 2.1 2019 LG models have.


I'm pretty excited about this, as I was resigned to waiting until 2020 for a 80+ inch HDMI 2.1 TV that was in my price range.


Looking at the reviews of last years high-end LG LCDs, the contrast isn't great, but the colors and brightness are good. These are true 10-bit panels. Also the input lag is class leading and the full HDMI 2.1 features really make a big deal for gaming, my main use case.


If this is all true.....THANK YOU LG!!!!!
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Some rumored pricing:



86-inch 86SM9070PUA ($4,296.99 UPP, avail. June 17)
75-inch 75SM9070PUA ($2,896.99 UPP, avail. April 16)
65-inch 65SM9500PUA ($2,696.99 UPP)

These prices are pretty close to the ones B&H Photo has for pre-orders. That 86" could be pretty close to $3000 by Black Friday. Sweet.
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Sure hope you sit close to your tv because the 1m - 3m (3' - 9') maximum cable length for the "special 48Gbps HDMI cable" hasn't quite been worked out yet. There are prototypes but nothing has been proven to work yet at long lengths. Besides, ATC.org has yet to release the CTS for the cable and they are only now accepting connectors for CTS testing. I know Ruipro is working on a hybrid fiber which meets all HDMI 2.1 hardware specifications but it's still going to be awhile. Be wary of the 48Gbps claim from some cable mfrs.

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Sure hope you sit close to your tv because the 1m - 3m (3' - 9') maximum cable length for the "special 48Gbps HDMI cable" hasn't quite been worked out yet. There are prototypes but nothing has been proven to work yet at long lengths. Besides, ATC.org has yet to release the CTS for the cable and they are only now accepting connectors for CTS testing. I know Ruipro is working on a hybrid fiber which meets all HDMI 2.1 hardware specifications but it's still going to be awhile. Be wary of the 48Gbps claim from some cable mfrs.

??? By the time devices and content come out that require better HDMI cables, I'm sure they will exist. (probably active fiber, as you point out)



HDMI 4K/120Hz 4:2:2 is probably the most I will be using (with games) anytime soon. That only requires 18Gb/s cables.


I'm just looking for something future-proofed as possible. I also play a lot of games on an Xbox One X so VRR and other HDMI 2.1 features are usable by me *now*. Bottom line, I want a big TV, HDMI 2.1 and around $3000 is my price limit. It looks like LG might get that all too me this Black Friday. Sony has massively dropped the ball. Samsung is just implement *some* HDMI 2.1 features, same as last year. Unless someone like TCL or Visio pull a rabbit out of their hat, LG is my only hope this year so far.
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??? By the time devices and content come out that require better HDMI cables, I'm sure they will exist. (probably active fiber, as you point out)



HDMI 4K/120Hz 4:2:2 is probably the most I will be using (with games) anytime soon. That only requires 18Gb/s cables.


I'm just looking for something future-proofed as possible. I also play a lot of games on an Xbox One X so VRR and other HDMI 2.1 features are usable by me *now*. Bottom line, I want a big TV, HDMI 2.1 and around $3000 is my price limit. It looks like LG might get that all too me this Black Friday. Sony has massively dropped the ball. Samsung is just implement *some* HDMI 2.1 features, same as last year. Unless someone like TCL or Visio pull a rabbit out of their hat, LG is my only hope this year so far.
The biggest issue is power draw for the HDMI cables that will be fully compliant for the HDMI 2.1 hardware. The only way you can "future proof" your cabling is run your cables in a conduit if they are not easily accessible. Hybrid fiber cables are active cables. Just make sure that your connected devices will have the same HDMI 2.1 chipsets as well. What I would like to see is the device mfrs list the HDMI 2.1 protocol sets available, NOT "HDMI 2.1". That way the consumer knows exactly which feature sets will be supported.

I do agree about LG. I have an older LG LCD for the downstairs HTS and it is our day-to-day normal viewing tv. It still looks as good as the day I brought it home. The upstairs HTS is a new 65 LG OLED C8 that I purchased in October. Absolutely trouble-free and the pq is just phenomenal with any source.

I have no need for HDMI 2.1 (I'm not a gamer), and by the time there's enough content that takes full advantage of what the HDMI 2.1 hardware options offer, it will be time to purchase a new tv anyway.
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??? By the time devices and content come out that require better HDMI cables, I'm sure they will exist. (probably active fiber, as you point out)



HDMI 4K/120Hz 4:2:2 is probably the most I will be using (with games) anytime soon. That only requires 18Gb/s cables.


I'm just looking for something future-proofed as possible. I also play a lot of games on an Xbox One X so VRR and other HDMI 2.1 features are usable by me *now*. Bottom line, I want a big TV, HDMI 2.1 and around $3000 is my price limit. It looks like LG might get that all too me this Black Friday. Sony has massively dropped the ball. Samsung is just implement *some* HDMI 2.1 features, same as last year. Unless someone like TCL or Visio pull a rabbit out of their hat, LG is my only hope this year so far.
Not sure where you got the information that you can do 4K/120Hz 4:2:2 with 18Gb/s cables but that is wrong. According to this chart I found, that would require a bandwidth of 32.08GB/s. I'm sure other charts you find will corroborate this.

https://newatlas.com/hdmi-2-1-cable-spec/52393/#p493701
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Not sure where you got the information that you can do 4K/120Hz 4:2:2 with 18Gb/s cables but that is wrong. According to this chart I found, that would require a bandwidth of 32.08GB/s. I'm sure other charts you find will corroborate this.

https://newatlas.com/hdmi-2-1-cable-spec/52393/#p493701

Yep, you're right. I was thinking about 4K/60fps 4:2:2 which makes more sense, as it's as good as console games are going to do anytime soon.


After doing some more research, it seems ALL the LG 9000 series sets are going to have FULL HDMI 2.1. VERY EXCITING for me. I've been wanting to get a TV as close to 90" as possible and the 86" 9070 checks all the boxes for me. Can't wait to see some reviews. If it is equal or better than last years 9000 series, we have a winner!
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The biggest issue is power draw for the HDMI cables that will be fully compliant for the HDMI 2.1 hardware. The only way you can "future proof" your cabling is run your cables in a conduit if they are not easily accessible. Hybrid fiber cables are active cables. Just make sure that your connected devices will have the same HDMI 2.1 chipsets as well. What I would like to see is the device mfrs list the HDMI 2.1 protocol sets available, NOT "HDMI 2.1". That way the consumer knows exactly which feature sets will be supported.

I do agree about LG. I have an older LG LCD for the downstairs HTS and it is our day-to-day normal viewing tv. It still looks as good as the day I brought it home. The upstairs HTS is a new 65 LG OLED C8 that I purchased in October. Absolutely trouble-free and the pq is just phenomenal with any source.

I have no need for HDMI 2.1 (I'm not a gamer), and by the time there's enough content that takes full advantage of what the HDMI 2.1 hardware options offer, it will be time to purchase a new tv anyway.

Nice to hear your good review of LGs quality. All my current TVs are Sony (LCD) and Samsung (LCD & Plasma) and they are all over 10 years old! They all work as good as new. However, they are a little small and the resolution, color and black levels are kind of low and of course HDR just doesn't exist on them.


I love my Plasma and would love to get it's spiritual successor, an OLED. They just don't make them in the size I want at a reasonable price yet. Also, the room this is going in is brightly lit, so most of OLEDs advantages over LCD are literally washed out.


Thanks for the reply.
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Nice to hear your good review of LGs quality. All my current TVs are Sony (LCD) and Samsung (LCD & Plasma) and they are all over 10 years old! They all work as good as new. However, they are a little small and the resolution, color and black levels are kind of low and of course HDR just doesn't exist on them.


I love my Plasma and would love to get it's spiritual successor, an OLED. They just don't make them in the size I want at a reasonable price yet. Also, the room this is going in is brightly lit, so most of OLEDs advantages over LCD are literally washed out.


Thanks for the reply.

I have two other, older Samsung LCD's that are still looking good as well. One is in the bedroom and one is in the garage. There are always compromises when purchasing a tv. OLED's are lighter, thinner, more energy efficient, offer a superior viewing angle, and have the best pq around. That being said, the viewing environment needs to be considered as well so if you have a really bright room an LCD/LED might suit you better.

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All the features in the world aren't worth dick if you've got an IPS panel with terrible contrast and poor local dimming.

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All the features in the world aren't worth dick if you've got an IPS panel with terrible contrast and poor local dimming.

It depends on the environment. Last year's IPS LG sets were just fine in a bright room when I tested them. That's where I'd be using this one, in my living room which has a lot of windows and lights.

I get a kick out of people who sit 10' away from a 65" OLED and rave about it. They are watching a postage stamp with great contrast.

Size first, everything else second. Movie theaters have HORRIBLE black levels and brightness, but people still flock to them. When my family wants to watch a movie, we go to my home theater with it's 138" screen and surround sound, despite the fact my Sony LCOS projector has laughable black levels and brightness compared to the worst IPS TV you can buy.
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Lg sm9070pua?

Has anyone picked one of these up yet? I'm looking at the 86" model to replace my 4 year old Sony 65". I want to make sure it's as good as, if not better than my Sony XBR-65X850C.

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Yes or no?

Needing to buy a new 75" tv, looking closely at the LG or a Samgung Q90. What are everyone's experience/thoughts on this LG model? Anyone actually own it yet? Thanks
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I saw the 85 9070 today at B&H in NY it looked good it has a Matt screen and was not as punchy as the Sony 950G however the blooming on the Sony was much worse then the LG.

The Sony picture jumped off the screen very very bright where the LG was dimmer.

The LG picture was flatter then the sony not as much pop but it still looked good.

Hard choice but 5k for the Sony
or 3600 the LG hmmmmmm

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I saw the 85 9070 today at B&H in NY it looked good it has a Matt screen and was not as punchy as the Sony 950G however the blooming on the Sony was much worse then the LG.

The Sony picture jumped off the screen very very bright where the LG was dimmer.

The LG picture was flatter then the sony not as much pop but it still looked good.

Hard choice but 5k for the Sony
or 3600 the LG hmmmmmm

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I'm hoping we can get some feedback from someone who purchased one. It's tough to tell how good a TV is at a store. Who knows what the settings are on the TV.

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I saw the 85 9070 today at B&H in NY it looked good it has a Matt screen and was not as punchy as the Sony 950G however the blooming on the Sony was much worse then the LG.

The Sony picture jumped off the screen very very bright where the LG was dimmer.

The LG picture was flatter then the sony not as much pop but it still looked good.

Hard choice but 5k for the Sony
or 3600 the LG hmmmmmm

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There are 85x900f sets out there around the LG price.
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He was comparing the LG to the Sony 950 series. You can't get one of those for the price of the LG. Also, the cheapest Sony 900 series I'm seeing, is around $3700. The LG is $3300 right now, at BB.

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Lg 86" 86sm9070pua

I am having my TV delivered tomorrow and I'm trying to install the wall mount today. I was wondering if anyone knows the distance between the top of the TV and the top of the VESA mounting holes on the TV?

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See if the info you need is in the manual: http://gscs-b2c.lge.com/downloadFile...lJlnS6WRWLOfJQ
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Any updates from 86" LG 9070 owners?
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Have you set it up yet. Ordered for the wife last week and should arrive in the upcoming week. Many mixed reviews audio files don't like but the normal Best Buy type of user really likes. Just looking for your impressions.
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The reviews on the LG 86SM9070 from owners seem to be lacking, possibly because Samsung has cornered the market in LED's. I am interested in buying one.
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The reviews on the LG 86SM9070 from owners seem to be lacking, possibly because Samsung has cornered the market in LED's. I am interested in buying one.
Another set that's getting lots of talk is the Sony XBR 950G, both here and on Best Buys site, and I had narrowed it down to it. Now I see the LG in an 86" with nano technology and F.A.L.D. I wonder how they compare?
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Another set that's getting lots of talk is the Sony XBR 950G, both here and on Best Buys site, and I had narrowed it down to it. Now I see the LG in an 86" with nano technology and F.A.L.D. I wonder how they compare?
The LG 86" is a lot cheaper and looked terrific at Best Buy.
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Another set that's getting lots of talk is the Sony XBR 950G, both here and on Best Buys site, and I had narrowed it down to it. Now I see the LG in an 86" with nano technology and F.A.L.D. I wonder how they compare?
The LG 86" is a lot cheaper and looked terrific at Best Buy.
Thank you for your input, I haven't previously even considered LG. The only experience I've had with LG was a 42" 1080P tv that was used upstairs for non critical viewing and lasted about five years before it succumbed to a bad main board. I am replacing an old Sony rear projection 720P 60" LCD that's been trouble free for the past 14 years, it has dimmed over the years but still has a pretty decent picture and I am sure anything I get will put my eyeballs out by comparison but the longevity of the Sony had me going in that direction. I'm intrigued by the nano technology and need to get eyes on, and yeah..price dropped nicely.

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My local Best Buy has the 86" LG 9070 on display next to the Sony X850G, X950G and a Samsung Q70. The LG clearly has trouble reaching the same black levels as the others. But is bright and the least costly in that size
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I don't doubt what you saw. When I looked at the LG 86" there was a 82" Samsung Q70 on a facing wall that looked washed out while running Avatar and was the same price as the LG 86". I am going back to look at the LG 86" again. It all comes down to one's budget, flexible or not, and what comes with the new display compared to my 7 year old Panasonic VT50 65" plasma. So size and cost are trade off's versus black level. Otherwise, it would be a 77" LG OLED C9.
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Hello all, bought the 86" the wife wanted a larger TV. The LG is an IPS panel so the blacks (contrast) is not as high compared to a good VA panel with local dimming. I have to say that I am pretty impressed by this TV. The blacks look good I don't have a Q80 setting next to it to compare blacks to like at the store. For the size and price I am very happy. Dolby Vision on Netflix is very good.
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