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2019 LG SM9000 Owners Thread (No Price Talk)

I decided to bite the bullet and order the 55 inch. Should be here in about a week.

I hope it was ok that I started this. If not, you guys can delete. I'll edit later and add specs and whatnot.

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Congratulations! Enjoy your new tv.
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Looking forward to your impressions. The 2019 LG SM90xx series seem to be the only LCD TVs with full HDMI 2.1 this year. For those of us who are concerned about future-proofing and/or gaming, they are really the only choice, especially if big TV is what is needed. The 86" SM9070 is what I'm looking at.
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@Ecwrvd2 , I see you have a 900F. I will be very interested to hear your thoughts on the Sony vs the LG as the 85 900f, 950G and LG SM9070 are the main contenders for my next television.
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@Ecwrvd2 , I see you have a 900F. I will be very interested to hear your thoughts on the Sony vs the LG as the 85 900f, 950G and LG SM9070 are the main contenders for my next television.
I like my X900F a lot and feel like it's a great TV for the money. This will be replacing the X900F in the "gaming" room. I'll definitely give my thoughts. I'm hoping I'll have it next week sometime since I got a call today from BigSandySuperStore confirming my order and whatnot. They said they are going to see when theirs arrives and will ship mine out ASAP.

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Looking forward to your impressions. The 2019 LG SM90xx series seem to be the only LCD TVs with full HDMI 2.1 this year. For those of us who are concerned about future-proofing and/or gaming, they are really the only choice, especially if big TV is what is needed. The 86" SM9070 is what I'm looking at.
That was my deciding factor. I was on the fence for with the C9 or the SM9000 but chose this because I game a lot. Four HDMI 2.1 spots will make me happy.

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I'll definitely give my thoughts.

Great! Looking forward to it.
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It uses 10 bit dithering instead of having a true 10 bit panel?
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I'm interested just to see if LG can make any improvements to black level, clouding & blooming on these IPS panels.
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It uses 10 bit dithering instead of having a true 10 bit panel?

Looking in the online databases I've found, the 9000 series seems to have a true 10 bit panel.
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Looking in the online databases I've found, the 9000 series seems to have a true 10 bit panel.
It says right on the product page it uses dithering.

https://www.lg.com/us/tvs/lg-65SM9000PUA-4k-uhd-tv
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It uses 10 bit dithering instead of having a true 10 bit panel?

While obviously not ideal (I think I would always prefer a 10 bit panel over an 8 bit one) according to RTNGS, as long as the dithering is well implemented it should not impact picture quality.


Of course, its effectiveness on the 9000 series remains to be seen.


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I'm interested just to see if LG can make any improvements to black level, clouding & blooming on these IPS panels.
Me too. I figured I'll give the TV a shot. I have no experience with last years nano TVs but I heard that's an issue.

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Should be here in about a week.

Any news?
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I picked up the 55" a handful of days ago to replace my 8yr old 43" LG 3D that died a week earlier. Wanted something smaller than 50" but once again LG isn't offering premium features on those and I couldn't pass up the more future-proof hdmi.

This is my first TV with full local dimming and the picture is great imo but there is some center and/or corner blooming when displaying solo bright objects (where rest of screen is completely dark). Still a huge upgrade over my edge-lit 43" and I knew the picture wouldn't be quite as good as an OLED but I do some browsing from a HTPC and didn't want the greater risk of burn-in not to mention the higher price. Def happy with the purchase so far; should hold me over at least til MicroLED matures.

The panel does seem to be true 120Hz. I was able to get 1440p at 120Hz via Windows 10 monitor settings using an RX 480 gpu over hdmi 2.0. Thus far the LG is limited to 8-bit in Radeon Settings but that could be due to the old spec Monster cable I was using. Also waiting for some 48gbps cables and a displayport 1.4 to hdmi 2.0 cable to arrive which is best current option until someone makes a dp to hdmi 2.1 adapter.

My Yamaha YSP-2200 soundbar has only standard ARC and best I'm able to pass through so far is 5-channel DTS (non HD). Over the next few weeks I plan to upgrade to a soundbar with eARC and will confirm (along with using hdmi 2.1 cables) if the TV can pass-through full bitstream audio.
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Any news?
Mine will be shipped at the end of the week or beginning next week. My place didnt get theres in yet. The only reason I use them is because they use Old Dominion trucking everytime I got a TV it has been immaculate.

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It says right on the product page it uses dithering.

https://www.lg.com/us/tvs/lg-65SM9000PUA-4k-uhd-tv
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While obviously not ideal (I think I would always prefer a 10 bit panel over an 8 bit one) according to RTNGS, as long as the dithering is well implemented it should not impact picture quality.


Of course, its effectiveness on the 9000 series remains to be seen.


https://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/pict...ality/gradient

According to Rtings, the LG sets have some of the least banding of any LCD, so I guess 8-bit vs. 10-bit really doesn't matter. I remember back a few years ago it was a big deal. The more you learn.


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Got a 65” Sm9000 yesterday. Coming from a 56” B7 and a 65” KS8500 before that, it’s a big adjustment. IPS panels def don’t have the contrast of VA, and obv nowhere near oled.

Daytime viewing difference from sets it’s pretty much unnoticeable, but at night definitely notice the bleed and blooming, with blacks not getting all that black. The FALD does seem to be better than the 2018s from my experience and the videos I’ve watched of the old models. I set it on high and disabled dynamic contrast and noticed a large improvement. The FALD algorithm seems to be iffy on mine near the corners, but I’m not sure if that’s typical or not.

Now for the reason I got it- gaming. I don’t have the tools to test it, but the input lag feels wonderfully low, and I am very sensitive to input lag. Motion looks great, no ghosting and everything looks super smooth. Really excited to try out the VRR feature. While in auto low latency mode, games are even playable outside game mode, with more input lag, but not bad, so you can get some nice visual processing features while playing non competitive games.

So yeah- tv is great for games and daytime watching, but if you need a dark home theatre screen, they didnt manage to magically change ips technology, so you’ll still want a VA. Colors look great, but dark room contrast is still lacking.
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Got a 55" today. Will set it up later today after work and will let you guys know my impressions of the TV.
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Finally got to mess around with the TV. I watched the first 10 minutes of The Matrix on Netflix and the black level looks good to me. I was watching the movie in a room with lights off and there was a minimal daylight from the door window. There were no signs of bleeding while watching the movie. Maybe it's just me but I don't see any blooming even with subtitles on. Then I tested out the TV for any DSE or banding and didn't find any. I used modernwize's DSE video test. Input lag in game mode feels pretty low to me as I was able to pull off hard combos while playing Tekken 7 on PS4 Pro. I will connect my PC to the TV and test out games later tonight. Overall, I'm happy with the purchase and will definitely keep the TV.
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Can anyone tell me if the Netflix built in app on this TV supports Dolby Atmos?
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Looking forward to your impressions. The 2019 LG SM90xx series seem to be the only LCD TVs with full HDMI 2.1 this year. For those of us who are concerned about future-proofing and/or gaming, they are really the only choice, especially if big TV is what is needed. The 86" SM9070 is what I'm looking at.
I will buy a LG SM9000 When it’s confirmed it can Support as required by the Spec to deliver [email protected] VRR which I am not a 100% sure they are in compliance with. Because Variable Refresh Rate is what we need.

And they only product on the market which might deliver [email protected] is an Xbox One X.
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Can anyone tell me if the Netflix built in app on this TV supports Dolby Atmos?

It does, and its it glorious. I picked up the 65" sm9000 for my living room since its typically brighter in there for the IPS screen and moved mVizio P65-E1 to my bedroom where its darker for the VA screen.
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Thanks, how is the local dimming on the set, is there much blooming when a bright object goes a dark back ground for example,I have this TV on a shortlist, and is looking better the more I hear about it
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After a lot of wait mine will finally be here tomorrow. I'll give some thoughts and comparison to the X900F once I get it rolling.

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After a lot of wait mine will finally be here tomorrow. I'll give some thoughts and comparison to the X900F once I get it rolling.

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Please do! Really interested in how you would compare it to the X900F. I am willing to take the hit with respect to contrast if the FALD does a decent enough job at minimizing the letter/pillar box bars (with the help of a bias light). A 65" 120Hz 4K TV would be amazing for my HTPC (whenever they release HDMI 2.1 GPUs). Really wish other manufacturers would have adopted all the (best) HDMI 2.1 features... Right now, the choices seem to be OLED or IPS (would love to get a C9, but don't feel like spending that much/want something I can have static images on for longer periods of time).
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Really got my eye on this set. I know blacks aren't going to be as deep as VA, but I just want to know if there is IPS glow, light bleed, etc. And does the full array do a decent enough job to create a good image (by IPS standards) for darker content/darker environments?



I mainly want to get it for gaming on the PS4 Pro, X1X and my classic consoles (like SNES, Genesis, etc) through my OSSC. Last year's model seemed to have very good compatibility with the OSSC so I'm assuming this year's model would too.
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Really got my eye on this set. I know blacks aren't going to be as deep as VA, but I just want to know if there is IPS glow, light bleed, etc. And does the full array do a decent enough job to create a good image (by IPS standards) for darker content/darker environments?

I mainly want to get it for gaming on the PS4 Pro, X1X and my classic consoles (like SNES, Genesis, etc) through my OSSC. Last year's model seemed to have very good compatibility with the OSSC so I'm assuming this year's model would too.
There is some (minimal, imo) light bleed but I only notice it at night when displaying center text against a black background. Corners can be a bit dim as well but imo image quality (with decent source material) is very good. Local dimming was set to Low by default but switching to High made a significant improvement.

Still trying different mix of some settings but I'm more than happy with the TV so far. Plan to do full calibration soon using an old Colormunki Smile.

I also hooked up some old gaming consoles but had to use composite with Sega Saturn (looked awful as expected) since my old XRGB-1 only outputs VGA. Been debating for years to upgrade to a Framemeister or OSSC but was happy using my Toshiba Timm CRT til now. Instead, think I'll get a Polymega (once available) and use the HDMI out.
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Please do! Really interested in how you would compare it to the X900F. I am willing to take the hit with respect to contrast if the FALD does a decent enough job at minimizing the letter/pillar box bars (with the help of a bias light). A 65" 120Hz 4K TV would be amazing for my HTPC (whenever they release HDMI 2.1 GPUs). Really wish other manufacturers would have adopted all the (best) HDMI 2.1 features... Right now, the choices seem to be OLED or IPS (would love to get a C9, but don't feel like spending that much/want something I can have static images on for longer periods of time).
Just came ten minutes ago. I'll set it up tomorrow and run some Xbox One X through it and also my Sony X900F. I have two, both in the same lighting environment.

That was my thoughts on the C9 as well. I have C7 and didnt have any issues eventhough I game A LOT and played a ton of games with static bars (Dark Souls, Mortal Kombat, Destiny, etc).


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After a lot of wait mine will finally be here tomorrow. I'll give some thoughts and comparison to the X900F once I get it rolling.
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I look forward to seeing what you think of it and how well you think the full array local dimming works and how much blooming/halos there are when a bright object is on a dark background
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