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I wish I could buy a 2019 LG C9 OLED a few things are holding me back.

#1 . HDMI 2.1 but no FreeSync support. I don’t trust the first Gen of HDMI 2.1

This is one aspect I am concerned about. LG was so far ahead in its implementation of HDMI 2.1 that I wonder whether there will be compatibility issues with VRR in the future.
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This is one aspect I am concerned about. LG was so far ahead in its implementation of HDMI 2.1 that I wonder whether there will be compatibility issues with VRR in the future.
That is a legitimate concern that I also have. First generation of technology releases rarely go smoothly.

If the hardware is capable then we can hope that LG will address any gaps with firmware updates over the next year.
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It is still a $1000 premium over the LG

I'm not sure if it was noted elsewhere, but the 77" Sony and LG 2019 OLEDs have the same prices listed at $6999.99 currently.
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I'm not sure if it was noted elsewhere, but the 77" Sony and LG 2019 OLEDs have the same prices listed at $6999.99 currently.
I literally checked in the last 48 hours and the 77 Sony was listed at $7999 but it does now in fact show a price of $6999, the same as the LG. All articles listing official pricing on the new Sony sets also listed $7999 including the AVS article.

That does make it more interesting for me as the single biggest feature from HDMI 2.1 I'm interested in is EARC and the Sony will support it.

I expect LG will have to drop the price of the 77C9 sooner rather than later. The Q90 seems to have gotten a price drop across retail and now the Sony which has the best color accuracy and motion processing has also dropped to the same MSRP. I don't think that LGs HDMI 2.1 features will be enough of an offset to keep sales up against this competition.
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Actually my take away was that Sony favors accuracy over "pop" in their PQ. The mid range Sony LED set had better motion handling, better color accuracy and more accurate SDR/HDR brightness and shadow detail than the Samsung set that sells for a huge premium over it.

If Sony had an HDMI 2.1 capable LED TV available in 2019 I would really be considering it but it seems that this is an "off" year for Sony on releasing sets that offer real marked improvements, at least at the level I'm looking at purchasing.


On the Samsung, the anti glare filter is simply incredible but won' be that big of a deal to everyone. The Samsung also has amazing brightness and the off axis filter is the best out there. It does come at the expense of contrast taking a hit in the 2019 TVs.

how much of a hit does the contrast take on the Samsung due to the wide viewing angles? I am trying to decide between the Q90R & Q9FN

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how much of a hit does the contrast take on the Samsung due to the wide viewing angles? I am trying to decide between the Q90R & Q9FN
They had a Q9FN next to the Q90 and there's simply no comparison. The Q9F immediately washes out when you are even a bit off angle and it becomes dramatically noticeable at an angle of around 30 degrees off axis.

The Q90 for all intents and purposes looks "as good" off angle as an OLED does.
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So a new wrinkle is that the employee purchase pricing on the 75Q90R has dropped to $3599 with 0% interest for three years and an option to upgrade to a new Samsung TV in 2 years.

I would prefer the OLED and can afford to purchase it but having a hard time justing it when it is literally double the price of the QLED.
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So a new wrinkle is that the employee purchase pricing on the 75Q90R has dropped to $3599 with 0% interest for three years and an option to upgrade to a new Samsung TV in 2 years.

I would prefer the OLED and can afford to purchase it but having a hard time justing it when it is literally double the price of the QLED.
Wow...that’s a solid deal!

Double the price is a hard pill to swallow. I went through this same dilemma and 77” OLED pricing gave me a headache. Plus, it’s much worse up here in Canada.

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I literally checked in the last 48 hours and the 77 Sony was listed at $7999 but it does now in fact show a price of $6999, the same as the LG. All articles listing official pricing on the new Sony sets also listed $7999 including the AVS article.

For some inexplicable reason, Sony initially announced a set of inflated, bogus prices for the A9G. For example, the 65" A9G MSRP was originally announced as $4500, when in reality it is $3800.
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For some inexplicable reason, Sony initially announced a set of inflated, bogus prices for the A9G. For example, the 65" A9G MSRP was originally announced as $4500, when in reality it is $3800.
It was the same situation with the pricing with the c8 and a8f when they first came out. Both we're similarly priced. However, the street price on the LG sets gets way more competitive alot faster.

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So a new wrinkle is that the employee purchase pricing on the 75Q90R has dropped to $3599 with 0% interest for three years and an option to upgrade to a new Samsung TV in 2 years.

I would prefer the OLED and can afford to purchase it but having a hard time justing it when it is literally double the price of the QLED.

for half the price, it might be worth it to take a chance and see if you like it and If not you can send it back right? then you can go oled.

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^the 82 q90 has peaked my interest because of the price, it's amazing how much cheaper these larger high end sets were as opposed to a few years ago. Even the Sony A9G 77's price is not crazy high. Definitely a year for larger sets!
Amazon had the 82Q90R for $3200 for 1 day a few weeks ago. that's pretty unprecedented. like 5 members jumped on it and got it delivered already.
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I am struggling with the same decision between the LG and Samsung. I am coming from a Sony 940C and have already tried a Sony 85X900F and Sony 65A9F. The X900F had entirely too much blooming and the A9F while looking spectacular was simply too small after years of owning a 75". I am tempted to go with the Q90R, but the I really do love the contrast of OLED. I have also considered waiting for the A9G or maybe just ponying up for the Z9G, but I think divorce might be in the picture if I go there. We are actually moving this week to a new house so ideally I would like to get something this week so I'm not schlepping 75"+ TVs around the house. The TV will sit 90 degrees to a series of large northwest facing windows (with blinds) so reflection rejection is important and seems to be a key win for the Samsung. I am curious, did the OP purchase a set yet? If so, what and why.

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It was the same situation with the pricing with the c8 and a8f when they first came out. Both we're similarly priced. However, the street price on the LG sets gets way more competitive alot faster.

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The A9G isn't comparable to the A8F. The A8G is the direct continuation of the A8 line and is launching for $800 less than the A8F.
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I am struggling with the same decision between the LG and Samsung. I am coming from a Sony 940C and have already tried a Sony 85X900F and Sony 65A9F. The X900F had entirely too much blooming and the A9F while looking spectacular was simply too small after years of owning a 75". I am tempted to go with the Q90R, but the I really do love the contrast of OLED. I have also considered waiting for the A9G or maybe just ponying up for the Z9G, but I think divorce might be in the picture if I go there. We are actually moving this week to a new house so ideally I would like to get something this week so I'm not schlepping 75"+ TVs around the house. The TV will sit 90 degrees to a series of large northwest facing windows (with blinds) so reflection rejection is important and seems to be a key win for the Samsung. I am curious, did the OP purchase a set yet? If so, what and why.
BRAC will probably jump in later since he owned both, but the 82Q90R is way better than the 900F when it comes to blooming. the difference is 480 zones on the Samsung and around 80 on the 900F I think. FYI Samsung is the king with reflections and now had "near oled" viewing angles to the point where you would need to have an oled next to it to see any difference in viewing angles.
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BRAC will probably jump in later since he owned both, but the 82Q90R is way better than the 900F when it comes to blooming. the difference is 480 zones on the Samsung and around 80 on the 900F I think.
My concern is that it is at the cost of black crush (at least based on the handful of reviews I've read). I have been reading both the Q90R and C9 threads to get more insight. I have looked at the Q90R at Best Buy and it seems generally excellent. I was originally considering the Q900RB, but the far lower contrast concerns me. So I am leaning heavier into the Q90R, but I am still struggling with the lack of Dolby Vision. Don't get me wrong I do realize that all TVs (even in the high end space) come with their own set of compromises and I just trying to figure out what might work best for me.

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^the one real advantage the q90 has is that it comes in a larger size...82, but for critical viewing in darkened environment then the Oled is the way to go imo, in the end a limited amount of zones still cant compete with infinite contrast ratio, and while blooming might be at a minimum some might still be sensitive to it.
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^the one real advantage the q90 has is that it comes in a larger size...82, but for critical viewing in darkened environment then the Oled is the way to go imo, in the end a limited amount of zones still cant compete with infinite contrast ratio, and while blooming might be at a minimum some might still be sensitive to it.
Yes, I do like the fact that the size of the Q90 vs the C9. If I were going Q90 I would only go 82", but you are also absolutely right about the blooming factor. I do consider myself sensitive to it, but with that said I have been generally happy with my 940C. In fact, I think it outperforms the 900F in that department. So I can live with some to be sure, but I did find my short stint with the A9F intoxicating. Just wish it had been bigger hence my interest in the 77C9.
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^its funny because I have a 940e and it handles blooming well just not the black bars, my q8 handles black bars much better. Still the q90 seems like a step in a right direction for samsung, good choices this year for sure.
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for half the price, it might be worth it to take a chance and see if you like it and If not you can send it back right? then you can go oled.
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My concern is that it is at the cost of black crush (at least based on the handful of reviews I've read). I have been reading both the Q90R and C9 threads to get more insight. I have looked at the Q90R at Best Buy and it seems generally excellent. I was originally considering the Q900RB, but the far lower contrast concerns me. So I am leaning heavier into the Q90R, but I am still struggling with the lack of Dolby Vision. Don't get me wrong I do realize that all TVs (even in the high end space) come with their own set of compromises and I just trying to figure out what might work best for me.
honestly the lack of Dolby Vision is the last factor when choosing between these flagship tvs. I strongly believe that hardware is more important than format when it comes to hdr. When Cnet reviewed the Q9FN last year they compared Hdr10 on the Q9FN and Dolby Vision on the Vizio PQ and Katzmaier still preferred the hdr10 image on the Q9FN. (see attached picture).

if you want good blacks with great anti reflection and extra size, go Q90R. If you want perfect blacks gotta go oled. but if youre happy with the 940c, I don't think you'll be disappointed in the Q90R.

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If I could pickup the 82Q90R at half the price of the 77C9 this wouldn't even be a debate. I'd jump on that.
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honestly the lack of Dolby Vision is the last factor when choosing between these flagship tvs. I strongly believe that hardware is more important than format when it comes to hdr. When Cnet reviewed the Q9FN last year they compared Hdr10 on the Q9FN and Dolby Vision on the Vizio PQ and Katzmaier still preferred the hdr10 image on the Q9FN. (see attached picture).

if you want good blacks with great anti reflection and extra size, go Q90R. If you want perfect blacks gotta go oled. but if youre happy with the 940c, I don't think you'll be disappointed in the Q90R.
That is a great point and something I can say I have seen for myself. When I compared my 940C side-by-side to the 900F playing Blade Runner 2049 I honestly couldn't spot much difference between the DV presentation and the HDR10 one. I think for me it is a mental block. I feel like if I am buying something new it should have all the bells and whistles... especially at that price. I suppose I need to get over that to make a more rational decision. Thanks guys for the feedback. I am leaning even heavier into the Q90 at this point.
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Amazon had the 82Q90R for $3200 for 1 day a few weeks ago. that's pretty unprecedented. like 5 members jumped on it and got it delivered already.
I just saw this post, but ive never actually ordered a high dollar item from amazon...a bit weary of it tbh, but that price wow, that is a very tempting and if it gets close like that in my local stores...

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That is a great point and something I can say I have seen for myself. When I compared my 940C side-by-side to the 900F playing Blade Runner 2049 I honestly couldn't spot much difference between the DV presentation and the HDR10 one. I think for me it is a mental block. I feel like if I am buying something new it should have all the bells and whistles... especially at that price. I suppose I need to get over that to make a more rational decision. Thanks guys for the feedback. I am leaning even heavier into the Q90 at this point.

Based on everything you’ve said, I’m inclined to point you toward the OLED. If you are super sensitive to blooming, you will still get it on the Q90, albeit a fair bit less. Plus, it sounds like you were quite smitten with the performance of the A9F. Go ahead and buy the bigger OLED. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

It really comes down to your priorities and your budget. I personally ended up choosing the Q90 for its versatility. This set can be used in literally any situation and still produce a stunning picture....a bright room, a dark room, a room with lots of reflecting lights sources, you name it. The anti-reflection filter is truly game changing in my semi bright room and the extra brightness is also welcome for punchier HDR.
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Based on everything you’ve said, I’m inclined to point you toward the OLED. If you are super sensitive to blooming, you will still get it on the Q90, albeit a fair bit less. Plus, it sounds like you were quite smitten with the performance of the A9F. Go ahead and buy the bigger OLED. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

It really comes down to your priorities and your budget. I personally ended up choosing the Q90 for its versatility. This set can be used in literally any situation and still produce a stunning picture....a bright room, a dark room, a room with lots of reflecting lights sources, you name it. The anti-reflection filter is truly game changing in my semi bright room and the extra brightness is also welcome for punchier HDR.
The reason I am continue to lean towards the Q90 is due to the fact that my new living room is rather bright. While I do have blinds in the room it is an open floor plan with windows in adjacent rooms flooding light in. I can't have the house looking like a cave for fear my wife may club me so I am worried that the LG will simply appear too dark with too many reflections for the room. The house I am currently in was perfect for OLED as it was highly controlled environment for light, but where I am going not so much. I haven't seen the C9 in person, but I surmise it's light output isn't much different than the C8 or the A9F I did try and fear it could be problematic. If anything the lack of light control in my new house may actually benefit me some with the Q90 as it will be much harder to see blooming. Thanks for your two cents @BRAC .
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The reason I am continue to lean towards the Q90 is due to the fact that my new living room is rather bright. While I do have blinds in the room it is an open floor plan with windows in adjacent rooms flooding light in. I can't have the house looking like a cave for fear my wife may club me so I am worried that the LG will simply appear too dark with too many reflections for the room. The house I am currently in was perfect for OLED as it was highly controlled environment for light, but where I am going not so much. I haven't seen the C9 in person, but I surmise it's light output isn't much different than the C8 or the A9F I did try and fear it could be problematic. If anything the lack of light control in my new house may actually benefit me some with the Q90 as it will be much harder to see blooming. Thanks for your two cents @BRAC .
My viewing area is a large south facing family room that extends out into a kitchen and kitchen nook. There are large windows next to the TV location but it's less bright since we had our patio completely roofed in about seven years ago.

I do still get reflections if I don't close the blinds during the day and my aging VT30 plasma struggles to overcome room lighting during the day as well as I typically just leave it in ISF night mode all the time.

Personally I am something of a video purist. I've calibrated my last two sets with Calman and I absolutely can zero in quickly on the subtle PQ differences in the Q90 and C9 when I'm viewing them side by side at BB. Most noticeable is that the OLED has both better contrast and zero black crush or blooming whereas all of these PQ artifacts are evident on the Q90.... which still has a great picture but is "only" an LCD set at the end of the day and some things can't be overcome unless you go to an emissive display tech.

But I've also got to be a realist. I have two young kids. My nights of turning out all the lights and reveling in the PQ of my Plasma in a pitch black room are down to a handful of times a year. A fair amount of the content that gets viewed on my TV now is kids movies. Eventually I will finish out my basement and put in a high end projector and large screen for when I really want the full immersion... someday.

So I'm leaning strongly towards the Q90 myself now, especially with the combined price drop and Samsung offer to "upgrade" the TV in two years time where I would get to keep the original TV and apply 30% of the purchase amount towards a new flagship Samsung TV. Who knows where we will be at in two years.
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The reason I am continue to lean towards the Q90 is due to the fact that my new living room is rather bright. While I do have blinds in the room it is an open floor plan with windows in adjacent rooms flooding light in. I can't have the house looking like a cave for fear my wife may club me so I am worried that the LG will simply appear too dark with too many reflections for the room. The house I am currently in was perfect for OLED as it was highly controlled environment for light, but where I am going not so much. I haven't seen the C9 in person, but I surmise it's light output isn't much different than the C8 or the A9F I did try and fear it could be problematic. If anything the lack of light control in my new house may actually benefit me some with the Q90 as it will be much harder to see blooming. Thanks for your two cents @BRAC .
In that case I would probably lean toward the Q90. The extra brightness and anti-reflection capabilities of the Q90 would be ideal for that space. Sounds very similar to my situation.

Honestly, the Q90 has very good dark room performance, so you won’t be losing much imo. I made the switch from OLED and I feel like I’ve gained at least as much, if not more, than I lost.

Worst case, you can try it out and then return it if you’re not happy with the performance.
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In that case I would probably lean toward the Q90. The extra brightness and anti-reflection capabilities of the Q90 would be ideal for that space. Sounds very similar to my situation.

Honestly, the Q90 has very good dark room performance, so you won’t be losing much imo. I made the switch from OLED and I feel like I’ve gained at least as much, if not more, than I lost.

Worst case, you can try it out and then return it if you’re not happy with the performance.
Biggest two problems with Q90 are DSE which is evident in every sample I've seen in person and the lack of EARC which should have been an "easy" feature for Samsung to add to this TV.
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My viewing area is a large south facing family room that extends out into a kitchen and kitchen nook. There are large windows next to the TV location but it's less bright since we had our patio completely roofed in about seven years ago.



I do still get reflections if I don't close the blinds during the day and my aging VT30 plasma struggles to overcome room lighting during the day as well as I typically just leave it in ISF night mode all the time.



Personally I am something of a video purist. I've calibrated my last two sets with Calman and I absolutely can zero in quickly on the subtle PQ differences in the Q90 and C9 when I'm viewing them side by side at BB. Most noticeable is that the OLED has both better contrast and zero black crush or blooming whereas all of these PQ artifacts are evident on the Q90.... which still has a great picture but is "only" an LCD set at the end of the day and some things can't be overcome unless you go to an emissive display tech.



But I've also got to be a realist. I have two young kids. My nights of turning out all the lights and reveling in the PQ of my Plasma in a pitch black room are down to a handful of times a year. A fair amount of the content that gets viewed on my TV now is kids movies. Eventually I will finish out my basement and put in a high end projector and large screen for when I really want the full immersion... someday.



So I'm leaning strongly towards the Q90 myself now, especially with the combined price drop and Samsung offer to "upgrade" the TV in two years time where I would get to keep the original TV and apply 30% of the purchase amount towards a new flagship Samsung TV. Who knows where we will be at in two years.

It’s a tough decision, I know, as I recently went through the same thing. All I can tell you is that I don’t regret the Q90 purchase. It’s a great tv.

That said, I’m thinking that either one of these sets will perform great in your space compared to your much dimmer VT30. I transitioned from a VT30 plasma to an A1E OLED in mid 2017. I was immediately dazzled by the much brighter, sharper, and more colorful images and quickly forgot about my VT30, which had been far and away the best set I’d owned up until that point.

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