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Biggest two problems with Q90 are DSE which is evident in every sample I've seen in person and the lack of EARC which should have been an "easy" feature for Samsung to add to this TV.

Yeah, the eARC omission is puzzling, but I’m still hopeful it will be updated. For me though, DSE is not an issue on my 82” panel. I watch a lot of hockey, so I consider myself fairly picky about it. I did in fact return a Q9FN, with DSE being the second of 2 major issues I had with that set, the other issue being Samsung’s poor FALD implementation on that set. And, ime you will always get that tiny bit of jailbar effect from FALD grids, no way around that unfortunately.

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Another wrinkle is that the 77C9 is now available from Green Toe and it looks like prices of $5700-$6,000 have a high chance of being accepted.
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It’s a tough decision, I know, as I recently went through the same thing. All I can tell you is that I don’t regret the Q90 purchase. It’s a great tv.

That said, I’m thinking that either one of these sets will perform great in your space compared to your much dimmer VT30. I transitioned from a VT30 plasma to an A1E OLED in mid 2017. I was immediately dazzled by the much brighter, sharper, and more colorful images and quickly forgot about my VT30, which had been far and away the best set I’d owned up until that point.
So you are happy going from an A1E to a q90? I am really wanting a bigger screen.
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So you are happy going from an A1E to a q90? I am really wanting a bigger screen.
Oh yes! The bigger screen alone makes a huge difference and I don’t mind giving up the perfect blacks to get better bright room performance. The much brighter Q90 has more impactful HDR as well.

Both tech’s have their strengths and weaknesses. ymmv

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Oh yes! The bigger screen alone makes a huge difference and I don’t mind giving up the perfect blacks to get better bright room performance. The much brighter Q90 has more impactful HDR as well.

Both tech’s have their strengths and weaknesses. ymmv
That is the big one for me. So... does the q90r have any advantages over the 900 especially in anti reflective coating? I don't really need 8k but my old is a reflective monster and my cabinet begs for an 82.
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That is the big one for me. So... does the q90r have any advantages over the 900 especially in anti reflective coating? I don't really need 8k but my old is a reflective monster and my cabinet begs for an 82.
I would honestly save the money and grab the 90 over the 900. Aside from the fact that 8k is useless at this time, most of the feedback I’ve seen points to the 90 being the more well rounded set. Check out Rtings reviews for both sets, as they rate the 90 as the better set in most categories, including anti-reflection.

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Aaaaaaaaaahhhh. Paralysis Analysis. Great thread. I can't wait to hear what Mr. Page gets and how he likes it.

I am in the same boat. I had an LG 65" OLED 2015 model EG9600. But I got it just as HDR was coming out, such that there was an "A" and a "B" Model where the "A" model did not support HDR over HDMI. The apps on the LG did have HDR though. Anyway, as posted earlier in this thread, yes getting 1st generation tech sometimes really sucks. I like that the C9 and 77" has HDMI 2.1. But I am also liking the Sony XBR900F at 85" and I love the Samsung Q90R 82".

So much that I know I will love any of those three. That I just can't decide. And do I really need to go 82" or 85", technically I am only 10 feet from the wall (once we get our remodeling done) and my brother has a 75" Sony (few years old) in his house that looks massive even from 12". It is amazing how even just 10" difference from my 65" can look massive.

I loved OLED and how black the blacks were. But it is definitely dark, and have reflections. I never had burn in. And Epi 3 of GoT would have been more impossible to see what was happening. In our new condo, we have big sliding doors to our patio that will be near our TV. My wife never likes it to be dark in the room, so lights will be on at night watching, and the light from the doors will keep it light during the day. So I like what people have said in this thread that the Q90R is amazing at anti-reflection.

Sony has the cheapest price for me, Samsung has the anti-reflection and LG has the OLED which I prefer. I just can't decide.

Good luck to everyone.

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So now Walt's is offering the 77C9 for $5200 shipped.

Geez.

Analysis paralysis indeed!
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^if you're going to purchase soon I would suggest a retailer with a good return/price match policy especially the way these prices are going up and down!
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Aaaaaaaaaahhhh. Paralysis Analysis. Great thread. I can't wait to hear what Mr. Page gets and how he likes it.

I am in the same boat. I had an LG 65" OLED 2015 model EG9600. But I got it just as HDR was coming out, such that there was an "A" and a "B" Model where the "A" model did not support HDR over HDMI. The apps on the LG did have HDR though. Anyway, as posted earlier in this thread, yes getting 1st generation tech sometimes really sucks. I like that the C9 and 77" has HDMI 2.1. But I am also liking the Sony XBR900F at 85" and I love the Samsung Q90R 82".

So much that I know I will love any of those three. That I just can't decide. And do I really need to go 82" or 85", technically I am only 10 feet from the wall (once we get our remodeling done) and my brother has a 75" Sony (few years old) in his house that looks massive even from 12". It is amazing how even just 10" difference from my 65" can look massive.

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I have the 82" Q90R @ 12 ft, IMO, it is perfect, partially because, the 85" would take up the entire wall and look goofy.

Immersion is HUGE factor (to me at least)

I was always pondering size or quality, size or quality, I think I take size if quality is only a knock below.

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So now Walt's is offering the 77C9 for $5200 shipped.

Geez.

Analysis paralysis indeed!
Why not 82Q90R for $4599 via Samsung EPP? I read back and noticed you didn't have it as a choice.
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I have the 82" Q90R @ 12 ft, IMO, it is perfect, partially because, the 85" would take up the entire wall and look goofy.

Immersion is HUGE factor (to me at least)

I was always pondering size or quality, size or quality, I think I take size if quality is only a knock below.



Why not 82Q90R for $4599 via Samsung EPP? I read back and noticed you didn't have it as a choice.
I cannot fit the 82 in my space. The largest screen I can fit in my space is a 77 OLED.
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^if you're going to purchase soon I would suggest a retailer with a good return/price match policy especially the way these prices are going up and down!
I don't think I will get any kind of price match out of Walt's but I can ask. Honestly it really is hard to see the 77C9 dropping much below $5,000 in the next few months although I will acknowledge it is a possibility.

I was pretty set on just ordering the 75Q90R @ $3599 but a $5200 77C9 has me tipping back in that direction. The Samsung is brighter (not a huge plus in my viewing environment), has a phenomenal anti-glare filter and I really like the 1 connect box. On the other hand the LG has pretty much everything else going for it.... it's larger, it has perfect contrast, it has more color volume, HDMI 2.1, etc. About the only big downside still on an OLED is fear of screen burn now that these prices are plummeting.
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I have the 82" Q90R @ 12 ft, IMO, it is perfect, partially because, the 85" would take up the entire wall and look goofy.

Immersion is HUGE factor (to me at least)
Also the amazing deal you got was also a HUGE factor. LOL Wish I saw that one.

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Also the amazing deal you got was also a HUGE factor. LOL Wish I saw that one.

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True true
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I don't think I will get any kind of price match out of Walt's but I can ask. Honestly it really is hard to see the 77C9 dropping much below $5,000 in the next few months although I will acknowledge it is a possibility.

I was pretty set on just ordering the 75Q90R @ $3599 but a $5200 77C9 has me tipping back in that direction. The Samsung is brighter (not a huge plus in my viewing environment), has a phenomenal anti-glare filter and I really like the 1 connect box. On the other hand the LG has pretty much everything else going for it.... it's larger, it has perfect contrast, it has more color volume, HDMI 2.1, etc. About the only big downside still on an OLED is fear of screen burn now that these prices are plummeting.
I had the 2015 LG 65" OLED, and I never had any burn in. Most of the watching was Apple TV, with Netflix, Hulu etc. Some video gaming, I have an Xbox 360, Xbox One S, Nintendo Wii and Nintendo Switch, but I am definitely casual gaming, not game I can think of I have with a static image always displaying though. I keep thinking burn in is what people that don't like OLEDs made up. I am sure if you kept the image up for hours upon hours any image would burn in on any type of TV.

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I don't think I will get any kind of price match out of Walt's but I can ask. Honestly it really is hard to see the 77C9 dropping much below $5,000 in the next few months although I will acknowledge it is a possibility.

I was pretty set on just ordering the 75Q90R @ $3599 but a $5200 77C9 has me tipping back in that direction. The Samsung is brighter (not a huge plus in my viewing environment), has a phenomenal anti-glare filter and I really like the 1 connect box. On the other hand the LG has pretty much everything else going for it.... it's larger, it has perfect contrast, it has more color volume, HDMI 2.1, etc. About the only big downside still on an OLED is fear of screen burn now that these prices are plummeting.
LOL, this is absolutely a good problem to have. My suggestion in regards to BI is vary your content its worked for me with all my Oleds. If you only watch news channels or channels with constant logos then I would steer more towrds the Q90. HTH
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I had the 2015 LG 65" OLED, and I never had any burn in. Most of the watching was Apple TV, with Netflix, Hulu etc. Some video gaming, I have an Xbox 360, Xbox One S, Nintendo Wii and Nintendo Switch, but I am definitely casual gaming, not game I can think of I have with a static image always displaying though. I keep thinking burn in is what people that don't like OLEDs made up. I am sure if you kept the image up for hours upon hours any image would burn in on any type of TV.

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Sony and LG have warnings in their OLED manuals because it is "made up"? Sounds like an excellent marketing strategy. You are also asserting that OLED and LCD have the same burn-in sensitivity?
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I had the 2015 LG 65" OLED, and I never had any burn in. Most of the watching was Apple TV, with Netflix, Hulu etc. Some video gaming, I have an Xbox 360, Xbox One S, Nintendo Wii and Nintendo Switch, but I am definitely casual gaming, not game I can think of I have with a static image always displaying though. I keep thinking burn in is what people that don't like OLEDs made up. I am sure if you kept the image up for hours upon hours any image would burn in on any type of TV.

Good Luck

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That is misinformation. LCDs absolutely don’t have burn in and no decent ones made in the last several years have any image retention.

OLED burn in is not “made up” as rtings tests prove.

I vary content but have occasional gaming marathon sessions where I will play the same game with static elements for 4-5 hours at a clip. I also worry about other people using the TV who might not understand that the content needs to be varied.
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I had a similar situation. My family uses our TV for gaming, movies, ect. It's in use when I am not home by my wife and children. I ended up ordering the Q90. I couldn't bring myself to risk burn in on such a big investment. If I was the only person using the TV or if I was home to keep an eye out for static images I would have purchased an OLED.
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That is misinformation. LCDs absolutely don’t have burn in and no decent ones made in the last several years have any image retention.

OLED burn in is not “made up” as rtings tests prove.

I vary content but have occasional gaming marathon sessions where I will play the same game with static elements for 4-5 hours at a clip. I also worry about other people using the TV who might not understand that the content needs to be varied.
Sorry if I awoken a dragon here.

But despite being jumped on here, there is one really good news about your reply, you have made your decision. You are getting the Q90R, which is a great TV.

I think I am probably going to do the same. The C9 77" is just too much money for me to justify, when the Q90R is so amazing as well.

Good Luck

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Sony and LG have warnings in their OLED manuals because it is "made up"? Sounds like an excellent marketing strategy. You are also asserting that OLED and LCD have the same burn-in sensitivity?
The way I wrote my post is "I think" meaning, my opinion. Not any statement of fact or intended as fact.

I never got burn in, so in my experience I have not seen it. That alone is never enough to prove anything either, so my statement again is just an opinion. Which I am entitled to.

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Thought I would report back with my decision. Went with the LG 77C9 thanks to the $700 in gift cards Best Buy is offering. I think the fact they were also sold out of the 82Q90R pushed me to the LG too. As an Elite Plus member I have 45 days to make a decision on it. I figure worst case is I get it swapped out for the Q90 when they are available again. Now I get to put my Sony 940c down by my pool table 😁
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As the OP I wanted to update the thread with my purchase decision as I pulled the trigger on a 77C9 a short while ago from AZ retailer Walt's.

I spent additional time today comparing the PQ directly between the C9 and the Q90R at local Magnolia. They were slow and one of the managers (not on commission) was more than happy to let me mess around with picture modes and try a variety of content.

First off, the anti-glare filter on the Q90R very very nearly pushed me over the edge into a purchase decision to get that TV but there were a few things that ended up allowing the LG to win the day;

My score card;
  1. The LG had better motion handling when playing the same content as the Samsung

    The LG had less upscaled 1080P->4K macro-blocking in action scenes when playing bit-perfect Blu-ray disc material streamed from the BB Kaleidoscape server.

    The LG increase in contrast was quite noticeable.

    Biggest weakness of Samsung? DSE which was present to some degree on all three of the various size Q90R on display.

    Biggest weakness of LG? Anti-glare filter is sub-par compared to what Samsung is using. However I don't feel it is any worse than my current plasma TV (probably better) and I can live with that so should be able to live with this.

    The lack of EARC on the Samsung, something I will definitely make use of (I've always battled lip sync issues on my TVs) was a huge point in LGs favor.

    The Samsung was noticeably brighter than the C9 but in viewing real content both sets could get very bright. If I was putting a TV in a very bright room and still wanting to have my socks blown off by HDR I would definitely have leaned more heavily towards the Q90.

    I ordered the LG C9 for the insane price of $5200 + sales tax from Walt's TV in AZ. This is the largest online CE purchase I have ever made so hopefully it will go smoothly. As much as I wanted to deal with a local company for peace of mind I couldn't pass up the chance to get this kind of pricing so new into the model year of a brand new TV. I gave BB the option to price match but they passed, I can't blame them.

I really would have liked to compare the Sony as well but even though I expect superior motion handling and out of the box PQ from the Sony it would be hard to justify the additional cost of the LG which already has a great picture.

Final point.... these are both outstanding TVs. Anybody should be proud to own either and owners should be less defensive of flaws in their purchase choice as ALL sets have flaws.

I am relieved this is over, toughest electronics purchase decision I've yet made. Now on to a week or two of nail biting waiting for the set to show up and hoping it isn't grossly defective.
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Congrats jmpage2. As you said, you really can't go wrong with either of those two sets.

I am surprised, I really was positive you were going to pick the Q90R. But again I was proven wrong.

When you get a chance, post some pictures of your TV in action.

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Here is a RTINGS review of the C9 which also does compare it to the Q90 during the video.

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Congrats @jmpage2 !

Sounds like a well thought out decision. Great deal on that C9 and I hope you get a good panel. I agree, there is no bad decision with either of these fantastic sets.

Cheers!
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This thread is still going on? Seems like all the motion debates have subsided.

Well i was asked by a friend yesterday about a c9 vs q90r, he's not very tech savvy, my general recommendation in a premium range lcd vs oled is that unless it is a very bright room , get the oled.
Contrast and black levels are of course better, however according to this reviewer who compared the e9 (same picture as c9) and a q90r, he feels that that the e9 has punchier colors as well. samsung talks a lot about quantum dots but seems like oled's blacks make colors on a perceptual level have more punch.

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This thread is still going on? Seems like all the motion debates have subsided.

Well i was asked by a friend yesterday about a c9 vs q90r, he's not very tech savvy, my general recommendation in a premium range lcd vs oled is that unless it is a very bright room , get the oled.
Contrast and black levels are of course better, however according to this reviewer who compared the e9 (same picture as c9) and a q90r, he feels that that the e9 has punchier colors as well. samsung talks a lot about quantum dots but seems like oled's blacks make colors on a perceptual level have more punch.

Yes, amazingly even when you aren’t here crapping in it this thread goes on.
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Originally Posted by jmpage2 View Post
Yes, amazingly even when you aren’t here crapping in it this thread goes on.
I helped you a lot in the decision making process, where's the thanks

Though you made the right choice for yourself, a c9 will have more of a wow factor than a fald lcd. the surprising part to me is you were able to get the newest 77c9 for so less, havent seen a deal like that.
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