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It's never going to be good and my experience on what is 'great' is limited, keep in mind I haven't even messed with the settings much but you can clearly see the backlight a lot while watching the recent Game Of Thrones.
oh man that would drive me crazy.
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oh man that would drive me crazy.
I mean, it's an edge lit LCD TV, there's only so much you can do and the words "deep blacks" are never going to be uttered in the same sentence, that's just the limitations of edge lit TVs.

Otherwise so far it's a solid, fast, feature packed TV for reasonable money (even better during Black Friday I am sure).
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I have had the 85” for 6 days now. To be honest, I could afford the 950 or the upcoming Z9g but I decided to go with the 850g since I planned on using it for TV watching and setting up a JVC NX-7 projector for movies.,
Within a day, I was convinced that the 850 was big enough and offered exceptional picture quality so I canceled the projector even though I have enough room sitting 16’ back. Reading about the 950, I began to be more critical about specific performance parameters. The blacks for instance, are as black as the ace of spades. There is zero motion blur watching the NBA, NHL and European Football playoffs. I do not see any reduction in contrast moving off center 15 to 20 degrees which is the most I can get. The only edge lighting I can see at all is only on switching inputs...never during any programming. The only issues are an occasional black screen for a second or two maybe for ever two hours of watching as well as an occasional need to power toggle on switching inputs. I am assuming this has to do with some sort of HDMI handshake correction but only time will tell if I need to be concerned regarding the potential for a faulty circuit.
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I mean, it's an edge lit LCD TV, there's only so much you can do and the words "deep blacks" are never going to be uttered in the same sentence, that's just the limitations of edge lit TVs.

Otherwise so far it's a solid, fast, feature packed TV for reasonable money (even better during Black Friday I am sure).
I think the 85 in this series(and last years 850F as well) are back lit and VA panel. The rest are IPS and edge lit.
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With these bigger screens I feel like they need to be mounted (or on a stand) lower so your neck isn’t cranked up to watch it. What height are you all mounting your 85 inch TV Sony?
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ok, so ..


- 55" X850G is IPS ? thats confirmed ?
- is 55" X850G native 120 hz or 60 hz ?


and 55" X800G is confirmed to be 60 hz ?
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ok, so ..


- 55" X850G is IPS ? thats confirmed ?
- is 55" X850G native 120 hz or 60 hz ?


and 55" X800G is confirmed to be 60 hz ?
Speculation is IPS across the board except for 85 in the 850g series. Definitely 120 refresh in 850g, 60 in 800g.
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I have had the 85” for 6 days now. To be honest, I could afford the 950 or the upcoming Z9g but I decided to go with the 850g since I planned on using it for TV watching and setting up a JVC NX-7 projector for movies.,
Within a day, I was convinced that the 850 was big enough and offered exceptional picture quality so I canceled the projector even though I have enough room sitting 16’ back. Reading about the 950, I began to be more critical about specific performance parameters. The blacks for instance, are as black as the ace of spades. There is zero motion blur watching the NBA, NHL and European Football playoffs. I do not see any reduction in contrast moving off center 15 to 20 degrees which is the most I can get. The only edge lighting I can see at all is only on switching inputs...never during any programming. The only issues are an occasional black screen for a second or two maybe for ever two hours of watching as well as an occasional need to power toggle on switching inputs. I am assuming this has to do with some sort of HDMI handshake correction but only time will tell if I need to be concerned regarding the potential for a faulty circuit.
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Thanks for the quick review. Calibration will help immensely. Hopefully rtings reviews the 85 which is supposedly a va panel, which would give you a decent starting parameter to help picture quality. Probably not the case though, lower sizes will be reviewed which are probably IPS panels which won't help to calibrate yours. Looking to get an 85 myself as well. Would like to get a Sony with local dimming, but at 50% more cost it probably isn't worth it to me with my tv watching in a well lit room.

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Very tempted to pull the trigger on the 65" at Costco. If the tv has good reviews for sports, that's all that matters to me. I'm coming from a Samsung KS8000. Hopefully the updated technology in this set won't disappoint.
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I don't think you'll be disappointed for sure, the apps for sports that Android TV offers certainly makes my GF happy that we've used on the Shield TV before will work on the Sony. Occasionally with very fast panning it seems to present some artifacting though but again, I haven't played with any of the motion settings and since I'm not using the normal TV interface (just apps) it could be a processing thing VS broadcast with the latter possibly not having the same "issue" (it's not really an issue).

Again for those who are interested in the 'speed' of the Android TV interface, my GF has actually commented that she feels some of the apps (most specifically Netflix) is arguably FASTER than our NVidia Shield TVs and I share the same sentiment, it's overall very very snappy, I am absolutely pleased with the speed to the interface and apps, in fact actually it's SO fast it can sometimes cause itself some issues when turning the TV on from standby if it has been off overnight, it's so fast at bringing up the interface and an app, that in fact sometimes the wired LAN hasn't had time to initialise fully, reach out to the DHCP server and grab an IP address, so the app complains that it cannot connect at first and you have to retry and it's fine.

Not sure if @Cleveland Plasma can get the X850G's yet?
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Not sure if @Cleveland Plasma can get the X850G's yet?
Most dealers have these now........The 85" that is.

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Most dealers have these now........
All IPS except for 85 being a VA right?
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Most dealers have these now........
I checked your site and can only see the 850F/900F/950G, if you have all of the 850G sizes now then I'll email you for a quote, I emailed before but you didn't have them yet I don't think.
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I checked your site and can only see the 850F/900F/950G, if you have all of the 850G sizes now then I'll email you for a quote, I emailed before but you didn't have them yet I don't think.
We just learned the 55", 65", and 75" will only be available at Club / Warehouse stores. The XBR-85X805G will be available everywhere.......

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We just learned the 55", 65", and 75" will only be available at Club / Warehouse stores. The XBR-85X805G will be available everywhere.......
Probably because no one (outside of a warehouse store) would choose the IPS panel.

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We just learned the 55", 65", and 75" will only be available at Club / Warehouse stores. The XBR-85X805G will be available everywhere.......
FFS, why the hell is Sony making this so difficult.... do they not want to sell TVs?!

So what's the deal with the 800G? Is that just the general store available version of the 850G? Does the 800G have the same processor as the 850G in regards to the Android TV experience, I'm not overly fussed about the picture quality....
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We just learned the 55", 65", and 75" will only be available at Club / Warehouse stores. The XBR-85X805G will be available everywhere.......
Strange, 75 and 85 x850g's available at my local bestbuy, Canada mind you.

120 refresh vs 60 on the 800g's, that'll take a chunk out of the little shops, ouch(If the above quote is correct).

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FFS, why the hell is Sony making this so difficult.... do they not want to sell TVs?!

So what's the deal with the 800G? Is that just the general store available version of the 850G? Does the 800G have the same processor as the 850G in regards to the Android TV experience, I'm not overly fussed about the picture quality....
Don't know all the specs, but native refresh is 120 on the 850g's vs 60 on the 800g's. That sells it for me, as I am particularly subseptable to motion blur(constant fuzz fest watching hockey).

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Finally a review, not very in depth though. 85 identified as a va.

https://hdtvsandmore.com/sony-x850g-4k-hdr-tv-review
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Looks like it's not just Costco that's allowed to have the X850G anymore, Sam's Club has the 65" and 75" as well though pricing is identical to Costco:

https://www.samsclub.com/sams/sony-b...lp_product_1_4
https://www.samsclub.com/sams/sony-b...lp_product_1_3

I hope that eventually they'll get into the hands of dealers like @Cleveland Plasma but who knows.
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I have to say that I saw this TV today. I was asking myself if the 85” x900F was worth $1000 more or if the X950G was worth $2000 more. I know the big thing is this is it in edgelit unit versus FALD, but...... I wonder.
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I have to say that I saw this TV today. I was asking myself if the 85” x900F was worth $1000 more or if the X950G was worth $2000 more. I know the big thing is this is it in edgelit unit versus FALD, but...... I wonder.
But I thought this model does have full array backlighting just like the 85" 850f (without local dimming mind you)? You are talking about the 85x850g, right?
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Yes, the 85” X850G. Sony’s website says it has “frame lit” backlight. Maybe I confused that to mean “edge lit”. Which is it? So it has a full backlight but no local dimming zones?
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Still... is the X900F worth $1,000 more?
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Still... is the X900F worth $1,000 more?
Personally, picture quality completely aside, if the processor in the 900F is the same as the 'new' 800G, I wouldn't buy it. I have been testing a 65X850G (which has a newer processor) and a 65X800G (which has the older processor) and now I can finally see why people don't like Android TV if this has been their experience.

In short, either stick with the 850G or jump to the 950G if you can afford it is my opinion.
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Personally, picture quality completely aside, if the processor in the 900F is the same as the 'new' 800G, I wouldn't buy it. I have been testing a 65X850G (which has a newer processor) and a 65X800G (which has the older processor) and now I can finally see why people don't like Android TV if this has been their experience.

In short, either stick with the 850G or jump to the 950G if you can afford it is my opinion.
Look I have the 930e with android and older processor. Like seriously if all your doing is app surfing why the hell do you own a tv? 99% of your time should be watching content. The android thing is such a very very minor piece of the overall TV. Sometimes people just love to complain. The Sony’s are great TVs not buying because of a perceived issue with app surfing is really the dumbest thing on the planet. If your OCD get an Apple TV.
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Look I have the 930e with android and older processor. Like seriously if all your doing is app surfing why the hell do you own a tv? 99% of your time should be watching content. The android thing is such a very very minor piece of the overall TV. Sometimes people just love to complain. The Sony’s are great TVs not buying because of a perceived issue with app surfing is really the dumbest thing on the planet. If your OCD get an Apple TV.
Wind your neck in, I don't give a damn what you think, I wasn't even responding to you.
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Look I have the 930e with android and older processor. Like seriously if all your doing is app surfing why the hell do you own a tv? 99% of your time should be watching content. The android thing is such a very very minor piece of the overall TV. Sometimes people just love to complain. The Sony’s are great TVs not buying because of a perceived issue with app surfing is really the dumbest thing on the planet. If your OCD get an Apple TV.
Wind your neck in, I don't give a damn what you think, I wasn't even responding to you.
He is absolutely right though, buy the TV that has the best PQ, not smart features. You can upgrade the smart features, not the PQ.
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Yes, the 85” X850G. Sony’s website says it has “frame lit” backlight. Maybe I confused that to mean “edge lit”. Which is it? So it has a full backlight but no local dimming zones?
It seems like the 850g is a copy paste of the 850f in the 85" size so yes, it should have full array backlighting. Only difference I can see is that they added support for DV in the newer g model. Since both TVs seem identical, maybe they'll add DV support to the older f model in a firmware update. There's tons more reviews/user input on the 85x850f if you want more details.

Edit: And to answer your original question about if the price difference; I looked at the two not too long ago (850f & 900f) and they were nearly identical. I would say that it wasn't worth the price difference. Not sure if I would even pay $200 more.

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He is absolutely right though, buy the TV that has the best PQ, not smart features. You can upgrade the smart features, not the PQ.
He's not though. Otherwise we should all just buy Z9G's right? Not going to happen. Anyway, TVs aren't just TV's anymore, with Android they can do so much more and if I hate using my TV, well, then I'm not going to use it, even my GF who isn't that normally fussed about these things has reported back that she'll go and use the projector instead or the other TV that has an Nvidia Shield instead.

"well why don't you just get one of those then". Because maybe I want everything integrated, one remote and so on. People have different wants/needs, just because mine don't align with yours, doesn't mean I'm wrong, doesn't mean you're wrong but I'm not the one taking a giant **** on someone else's input and all I said to the guy was, in my opinion, if you want picture quality, skip over the 900F and go for the 950G, you'll have a much better experience OVERALL and yes that INCLUDES the operating system.

Have either of you actually used an 850G/950G/Shield TV? If you haven't then please don't comment until you have. My first experience with Android TV was the Nvidia Shield TV and I LOVED it so I could never understand why people seemed to be so against it while I, literally won't buy any TV without it now. Then I got the 850G and was blown away by the fact that it is as fast as the Shield TV which is heralded as the best Android TV box there is, four the last 4 years running on the same processor all this time. Both the 850G and the Shield TV are a joy to use, they don't get in the way of anything, they don't annoy/frustrate/take away from the whole experience.

Then we got the 800G and.... NOW I understand why people weren't as pleased initially with Android TV as we are, now I understand where the hate is coming from and frankly, if this is the first experience people have had for Android TV, on older Sony TV's and the 900F, I get it. It's slow and clunky and even though when we first started with the Shield TV it also had Android TV 7 that was later updated to 8 (that the 850G already has), the 7 on the 800G now just feels extremely dated. I was thinking about getting a 900F for the longest time thinking, how bad could it actually be and now, based on my 800G experience, I'll absolutely 100%, no hesitation, no doubt, pay whatever the extra is to get the 950G instead, it's THAT worth it.

So no, TVs aren't just TVs anymore and picture quality isn't the only deciding factor anymore. Deal with it.

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