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Sam's has this set on sale...I need to stay off of this site.

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I just got XBR-55X850G/C from Costco (on sale) and thrilled with the smart stuff coming from an old dumb Panasonic plasma. I'm struggling with the warmth and clarity of the picture from Directv box but started playing with settings yesterday and it's gradually getting better. Rented a 4K movie on Google play but haven't watched it yet.
Can't help you with settings, but once you have a chance to dial it in, I'm interested in your overall impression of the picture. Especially coming from a plasma, I'm wondering if you feel like there's too much "clouding" or "IPS glow" in dark scenes.
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Buying the 950G doesn't even make sense because it will have less contrast ratio because of the X-Wide Angle' technology, and I would rather have the an 85 inch tv over an 82 inch, so other brands are out of the question... How is the HDR on this bad boy? Notice any ghosting? IS the viewing angle really as good as one of the other posters said? i'm surprised this tv isn't more popular.. It's the only 85 inch new tv with a VA panel this year that isn't ballooned up in price..

How are the blacks compared to the 900F? I read that the 850G is brighter so it ethnically has better HDR?
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wow, still no response... i'm very surprised this tv is not more popular given it's a 85 inch VA panel tv for a great price. Seems like everyone is only focused on the 900f and 950g which cost a significant amount more for their 85 inch when it comes to Sony. I have decided it's best to wait until next year for an 85 inch VA hdmi 2.1 panel from Sony, but I realize there is no guarantee an 85 inch VA panel model with no x wide angle with hdmi 2.1 will be released next year. I would assume so, but that doesn't mean anything....
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wow, still no response... i'm very surprised this tv is not more popular given it's a 85 inch VA panel tv for a great price. Seems like everyone is only focused on the 900f and 950g which cost a significant amount more for their 85 inch when it comes to Sony. I have decided it's best to wait until next year for an 85 inch VA hdmi 2.1 panel from Sony, but I realize there is no guarantee an 85 inch VA panel model with no x wide angle with hdmi 2.1 will be released next year. I would assume so, but that doesn't mean anything....
Blacks are never going to be as good as a FALD TV, 900F or 950G. Even if the native contrast was better on the 850G (and according to rtings it isn't - native 4421:1 vs 799:1) enabling FALD should always beat an edge/backlit TV and bumps the 950G up to 4833:1 -

https://www.rtings.com/tv/tools/comp...-x850g/764/895

I keep saying this, if you want "inky blacks" but don't want an OLED, you have to get a 900F/950G (preferably the G) so that you have FALD. The 850G is a great functional TV for the money for sure but its picture quality is never going to be as good as a 900F/950G. "Great blacks" and "great contrast ratios" just isn't something said in the same sentence as "edge/backlit".
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Blacks are never going to be as good as a FALD TV, 900F or 950G. Even if the native contrast was better on the 850G (and according to rtings it isn't - native 4421:1 vs 799:1) enabling FALD should always beat an edge/backlit TV and bumps the 950G up to 4833:1 -

https://www.rtings.com/tv/tools/comp...-x850g/764/895

I keep saying this, if you want "inky blacks" but don't want an OLED, you have to get a 900F/950G (preferably the G) so that you have FALD. The 850G is a great functional TV for the money for sure but its picture quality is never going to be as good as a 900F/950G. "Great blacks" and "great contrast ratios" just isn't something said in the same sentence as "edge/backlit".
Well, I would only buy an expensive LCD from Costco because of their warranty... The Sony 900f is $1400 more, and the 950g isn't even available at the Costco site for Canada, but is $2400 more Canadian on amazon.. I cannot justify those prices when they will be outdated in a year thanks to hdmi 2.1 anyways.

From the limited amount of people who have the x850g I have seen online, they all have been happy with it and even say it has impressive viewing angles for a VA panel, so I still have an itch to by it instead of waiting for the 2020 models
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Well, I would only buy an expensive LCD from Costco because of their warranty... The Sony 900f is $1400 more, and the 950g isn't even available at the Costco site for Canada, but is $2400 more Canadian on amazon.. I cannot justify those prices when they will be outdated in a year thanks to hdmi 2.1 anyways.

From the limited amount of people who have the x850g I have seen online, they all have been happy with it and even say it has impressive viewing angles for a VA panel, so I still have an itch to by it instead of waiting for the 2020 models
The 850G is a great TV for sure, really pleased with mine, but you mentioned "How are the blacks compared to the 900F?", the point is simple, if blacks/contrast is a deep concern, then this TV isn't for you, *any* back/edgelit TV isn't for you for that matter, you have to go FALD or OLED, there's no question.
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The 850G is a great TV for sure, really pleased with mine, but you mentioned "How are the blacks compared to the 900F?", the point is simple, if blacks/contrast is a deep concern, then this TV isn't for you, *any* back/edgelit TV isn't for you for that matter, you have to go FALD or OLED, there's no question.
Ya I realize the blacks and contrast aren't as good as the other 2 models, but you didn't answer my other questions.. How bad is the blooming? Isn't the HDR better than the 900f because it can get brighter?? Do you feel like the viewing angle is great for a VA panel? Do you even own the 85 inch?
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I have had mine on the wall for about 5 days now woohoo

I replaced a 65ST60 (also have 65VT50) with this one. Still amazed Panasonic did such an amazing job with these plasmas

Uniformity as expected is nowhere near the plasma. On changing inputs you definitely see some clouding especially in a dark room, but very minimal considering how huge the screen is. I do not have the band that a poster posted earlier in the thread.

However, on normal viewing, it's absolutely excellent. The new chipset is super responsive. Comes up in a fraction of a second.

Can easily handle 90mbps mkv rips over network using plex, no hiccups at all.

HDR is beautiful with lots of headroom. I am on gamma 0 and still find it plenty bright.

Viewing angles are excellent too. I have no experience with the X900F so cannot compare, but it does throw a beautiful picture.

If expectations are real, it's an excellent set for the money
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I have had mine on the wall for about 5 days now woohoo

I replaced a 65ST60 (also have 65VT50) with this one. Still amazed Panasonic did such an amazing job with these plasmas

Uniformity as expected is nowhere near the plasma. On changing inputs you definitely see some clouding especially in a dark room, but very minimal considering how huge the screen is. I do not have the band that a poster posted earlier in the thread.

However, on normal viewing, it's absolutely excellent. The new chipset is super responsive. Comes up in a fraction of a second.

Can easily handle 90mbps mkv rips over network using plex, no hiccups at all.

HDR is beautiful with lots of headroom. I am on gamma 0 and still find it plenty bright.

Viewing angles are excellent too. I have no experience with the X900F so cannot compare, but it does throw a beautiful picture.

If expectations are real, it's an excellent set for the money
and I assume you do have the 85 inch version?
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and I assume you do have the 85 inch version?
Sorry, yeah 85X850G June 2019 build date.
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and I assume you do have the 85 inch version?
Sorry, yeah 85X850G June 2019 build date.
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Blacks are never going to be as good as a FALD TV, 900F or 950G. Even if the native contrast was better on the 850G (and according to rtings it isn't - native 4421:1 vs 799:1) enabling FALD should always beat an edge/backlit TV and bumps the 950G up to 4833:1 -

https://www.rtings.com/tv/tools/comp...-x850g/764/895

I keep saying this, if you want "inky blacks" but don't want an OLED, you have to get a 900F/950G (preferably the G) so that you have FALD. The 850G is a great functional TV for the money for sure but its picture quality is never going to be as good as a 900F/950G. "Great blacks" and "great contrast ratios" just isn't something said in the same sentence as "edge/backlit".
rtings used a 65" IPS panel X850G in that review. Not a good comparison as numbers showed. The VA 85" X850G would've fared better, and helped those looking for a 85" TV. rtings was told this by many people, but not all their fault, Sony IPS/VA/MVA change-ups in model lines is tiresome. I don't expect Sony to change for 2020, though they've received the message from many (as too, Dolby Vision auto selection in 4K UHD players).

FWIW, there's also processor variance for the three--X1, Extreme, Ultimate.

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Is there anyway to turn of Dolby Vision when using the internal Netflix app? I tried switching the HDR setting to HDR10 but Netflix still detect dolby vision and play it that way even if the tone mapping is wrong. I prefer HDR10 due to the (perceived)lower brightness for me.
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I have had mine on the wall for about 5 days now woohoo

I replaced a 65ST60 (also have 65VT50) with this one. Still amazed Panasonic did such an amazing job with these plasmas

Uniformity as expected is nowhere near the plasma. On changing inputs you definitely see some clouding especially in a dark room, but very minimal considering how huge the screen is. I do not have the band that a poster posted earlier in the thread.

However, on normal viewing, it's absolutely excellent. The new chipset is super responsive. Comes up in a fraction of a second.

Can easily handle 90mbps mkv rips over network using plex, no hiccups at all.

HDR is beautiful with lots of headroom. I am on gamma 0 and still find it plenty bright.

Viewing angles are excellent too. I have no experience with the X900F so cannot compare, but it does throw a beautiful picture.

If expectations are real, it's an excellent set for the money
Thanks man. The x850g 85 inch is the only tv that is 100% worth the money to me right now all things considered. I just need to decide if hdmi 2.1 is worth waiting another year or not. It would make a big difference when I get a new pc in the future.
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Thanks man. The x850g 85 inch is the only tv that is 100% worth the money to me right now all things considered. I just need to decide if hdmi 2.1 is worth waiting another year or not. It would make a big difference when I get a new pc in the future.

What HDMI 2.1 feature will you use/need?


eARC is already supported on the 850g
You don't need the extra bandwidth for 4K
Are you a gamer and want the game related functions like VRR?
What source devices are you going to purchase that support HDMI 2.1?


Unless you are a game it looks like waiting would be foolish, enjoy the TV and let the future take care of itself. It's like the guys that are waiting for ATSC 3.0 tuners when nobody actually has a PRODUCTION ATSC 3.0 broadcast up and running yet.
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What HDMI 2.1 feature will you use/need?


eARC is already supported on the 850g
You don't need the extra bandwidth for 4K
Are you a gamer and want the game related functions like VRR?
What source devices are you going to purchase that support HDMI 2.1?


Unless you are a game it looks like waiting would be foolish, enjoy the TV and let the future take care of itself. It's like the guys that are waiting for ATSC 3.0 tuners when nobody actually has a PRODUCTION ATSC 3.0 broadcast up and running yet.
Yes VRR and being able to get 4k at 120fps. It's not necessary to have a great immersive experience playing games, but it is worth waiting for. I Would be getting a ps5 eventually and a a gaming pc with hdmi 2.1 support
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rtings used a 65" IPS panel X850G in that review. Not a good comparison as numbers showed. The VA 85" X850G would've fared better, and helped those looking for a 85" TV. rtings was told this by many people, but not all their fault, Sony IPS/VA/MVA change-ups in model lines is tiresome. I don't expect Sony to change for 2020, though they've received the message from many (as too, Dolby Vision auto selection in 4K UHD players).

FWIW, there's also processor variance for the three--X1, Extreme, Ultimate.
Are you sure that x850g doesn’t have x1 ultimate? I know Sony market it a as just x1 but Sony failed to deliver proper standalone Dolby vision on x1 extreme in X900F and I heard many horror stories and tv requiring part of the Dolby vision processing be offloaded to external players like Apple TV 4K etc . Yet x1 in x850g seems to handle Dolby vision easily. Also Sony website says x850g has object based upscaling. Wasn’t that x1 ultimate feature?
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Yes VRR and being able to get 4k at 120fps. It's not necessary to have a great immersive experience playing games, but it is worth waiting for. I Would be getting a ps5 eventually and a a gaming pc with hdmi 2.1 support
Seems you answered your own question, you have Eason to wait for hdmi 2.1
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Are you sure that x850g doesn’t have x1 ultimate? I know Sony market it a as just x1 but Sony failed to deliver proper standalone Dolby vision on x1 extreme in X900F and I heard many horror stories and tv requiring part of the Dolby vision processing be offloaded to external players like Apple TV 4K etc . Yet x1 in x850g seems to handle Dolby vision easily. Also Sony website says x850g has object based upscaling. Wasn’t that x1 ultimate feature?
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https://www.sony.com/electronics/tel...specifications

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Sony X850G 4K HDR Processor X1 (New)

https://www.sony.ca/en/electronics/f...-upscaling-tvs

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Is anybody here familiar with buying open box tv's from bestbuy.ca? I made the decision to buy the x850g 85 inch for $2640 CAD which is only $1973 USD!!! and it tells me it is sold out, but when I put in a postal code from Toronto. The site allows me to buy it.. it really sucks that open box items are only available at certain places in Canada...

also, I didn't like until the processor situation until now, but from what I see x1 ultimate which the x950g has>>>>>>>> x1 extreme which the x900f has>>>>> 4K X-Reality pro which the x850g has.. Is there really a significant difference in upscaling quality between the chips?

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Is anybody here familiar with buying open box tv's from bestbuy.ca? I made the decision to buy the x850g 85 inch for $2640 CAD which is only $1973 USD!!! and it tells me it is sold out, but when I put in a postal code from Toronto. The site allows me to buy it.. it really sucks that open box items are only available at certain places in Canada...

also, I didn't like until the processor situation until now, but from what I see x1 ultimate which the x950g has>>>>>>>> x1 extreme which the x900f has>>>>> 4K X-Reality pro which the x850g has.. Is there really a significant difference in upscaling quality between the chips?
Unsure on the processor situation exactly, suffice to say it's the standard in their lower end sets.

I'm in Canada as well, so I get the premium pricing on the electronics also. Not comfortable with the open boxes myself, but that's me. I've seen the 85 Sony 850G go to 3300 new at BB. Bare in mind Black Fridays not long off. Costco' s got the 850G's in 85 as well, with the advantage of a 2 year warranty from Costco and an additional 3 can be purchased for around a hundred dollars or so.

All that said don't overlook the 82" Sammy Q70 for 7 hundred more when on sale. It's got all the bells and whistles.

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Is anybody here familiar with buying open box tv's from bestbuy.ca? I made the decision to buy the x850g 85 inch for $2640 CAD which is only $1973 USD!!! and it tells me it is sold out, but when I put in a postal code from Toronto. The site allows me to buy it.. it really sucks that open box items are only available at certain places in Canada...

I might have misunderstood what you are saying but are you actually in Canada? Or are you in the US trying to order a TV to be delivered from Canada? I guess in either case, check Costco....
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Is anybody here familiar with buying open box tv's from bestbuy.ca? I made the decision to buy the x850g 85 inch for $2640 CAD which is only $1973 USD!!! and it tells me it is sold out, but when I put in a postal code from Toronto. The site allows me to buy it.. it really sucks that open box items are only available at certain places in Canada...

also, I didn't like until the processor situation until now, but from what I see x1 ultimate which the x950g has>>>>>>>> x1 extreme which the x900f has>>>>> 4K X-Reality pro which the x850g has.. Is there really a significant difference in upscaling quality between the chips?
There is a difference, but whether or not is perceptible will depend on the user, the size of the screen, how close you are to the screen, and how poor the quality of the source. If all you watch is HD content, the regular X1 would be fine for most people. But if you're watching DVD's (480p), you might see a difference with the X1e/X1u.

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I might have misunderstood what you are saying but are you actually in Canada? Or are you in the US trying to order a TV to be delivered from Canada? I guess in either case, check Costco....
I'm in Canada. I know the best place to buy it would be Costco for $3300 plus $100 for the 5 year warranty. I would 100% buy the open box from Bestbuy for $2640 since it comes with a 1 year warranty. I'm thinking there is a chance it will go on sale for $3000 either on black friday or boxing day at Costco
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