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Assume the size difference was negligible for a moment.

- 80”+
- Netflix/Amazon shows (w/Dolby Vision or not)
- 1080 upscaling for HBO/Showtime streams
- 4K Blu-ray movies
- Some sports from streaming apps and antenna
- No gaming

At any price, is the Samsung worth $1000 more than the Sony? 480 zones vs way less zones, I get that. But overall color/quality/motion/performance/black levels? $1000+ difference and a lil bit smaller?

The android TV system blows but I will use a Fire stick 4k.

Thoughts? Especially anyone who has compared them?

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Q90R will be a huge improvement just with the FALD backlight on its own.
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But, previously the X900F was respected for its FALD implementation, no?

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Q90R will be a huge improvement just with the FALD backlight on its own.
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Trust your gut Cue, get the x900F you always were destined for.
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LOL that DOES feel like the way of the force, so close to Star Wars Day. #RIPChewbacca

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Is 82” Q90R worth $1,000 more than 85” X900F???

I will let you know in 2 weeks or so, if you can wait a bit longer. I owned and returned an 85” 900F and now I have an 82” Q90 coming in next week to compare to my current 75” Z9F.

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But, previously the X900F was respected for its FALD implementation, no?

Sorry, what i meant was Q90R local dimming is the best in the market. (Period)



I have the Q90R. Ignoring the other features of Q90r, I would recommend it just Local dimming and upscaling let alone.

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That is fantastic! Overall, I have of course heard (and with my own eyes seen) great local dimming and picture on the Q90R. The upscaling seems much better than the 2018 Samsungs as well.

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I will let you know in 2 weeks or so, if you can wait a bit longer. I owned and returned an 85” 900F and now I have an 82” Q90 coming in next week to compare to my current 75” Z9F.
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I'm trying to decide between the same two TVs.

My main concern with the Sony is blooming.

My main concerns with the Samsung are motion (as far as being as good as the Sony) and upscaling. All of these concerns are strictly based on what I've discerned from reading the two owners threads.

In my particular case, I'm coming from plasma TVs and I do not need (or care for, really) a super bright, eye-searing display. My content will mainly be 1080p DirecTV (satellite) and blu ray/4K UHD discs. The blu ray and 4K content will be played via a home theater PC with .mkv files, so Dolby Vision is not a concern of mine whatsoever. Viewing angle is also not a concern of mine since I only have 3 seats straight on about 12 ft. away.

I originally had my heart set on the 85" X900F until the 82" Q90R showed up. I'm curious as to what others will add to this thread regarding these two TVs.

I'm also looking forward to BRAC's comparison.

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I’m glad I’m not the only one! Believe me, I do want to make a decision, and just live with it. But, with the amount of money, and the size and impact of the purchase, physically and otherwise, it’s not as simple as flipping a coin.

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I'm trying to decide between the same two TVs.

My main concern with the Sony is blooming.

My main concerns with the Samsung are motion (as far as being as good as the Sony) and upscaling. All of these concerns are strictly based on what I've discerned from reading the two owners threads.

In my particular case, I'm coming from plasma TVs and I do not need (or care for, really) a super bright, eye-searing display. My content will mainly be 1080p DirecTV (satellite) and blu ray/4K UHD discs. The blu ray and 4K content will be played via a home theater PC with .mkv files, so Dolby Vision is not a concern of mine whatsoever.

I originally had my heart set on the 85" X900F until the 82" Q90R showed up. I'm curious as to what others will add to this thread regarding these two TVs.

I'm also looking forward to BRAC's comparison.
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I really wish there was a side-by-side comparison somewhere.
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I really wish there was a side-by-side comparison somewhere.
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$1000 more and 3" smaller? I wouldn't. Granted the size difference is negligible but the main thing you're getting here is better local dimming. It's not like the LD on the X900F is terrible, though there is blooming. However unless blooming really annoys you, I wouldn't spend $1k more on the Samsung. Maybe if it were like $300 more or something, but not $1k. Up to you though.



The X900F is by no means a bad set, but the quirks of any set could annoy someone enough for those particular things, that they end up not liking it.
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Well yeah, but if i read that, it makes it sound like the Q90R blows it out of the water 🤣

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I spent some time with it in a dedicated room. I didn’t notice too much blooming.

I watched the race scene in Ready Player One on the X900F and the Q90R and despite reviews, motion was MUCH better on the Sony with all settings tweaked. It was jarring on the Q90R no matter how much I futzed with it.

Subtle. But pronounced difference.

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$1000 more and 3" smaller? I wouldn't. Granted the size difference is negligible but the main thing you're getting here is better local dimming. It's not like the LD on the X900F is terrible, though there is blooming. However unless blooming really annoys you, I wouldn't spend $1k more on the Samsung. Maybe if it were like $300 more or something, but not $1k. Up to you though.



The X900F is by no means a bad set, but the quirks of any set could annoy someone enough for those particular things, that they end up not liking it.
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I spent some time with it in a dedicated room. I didn’t notice too much blooming.

I watched the race scene in Ready Player One on the X900F and the Q90R and despite reviews, motion was MUCH better on the Sony with all settings tweaked. It was jarring on the Q90R no matter how much I futzed with it.

Subtle. But pronounced difference.
I’ve always found Sony to be the best motion wise. If I’m choosing a set with motion as my one and only priority, Sony would win every time.

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Right. Well i also wanted better black levels. I’m coming from a Q6FN. So the X900F and the Q90R will have much better local dimming right? I get it that the Sony won’t be AS great. But from no LD To X900F FALD? Should be a huge improvement.

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I watched the race scene in Ready Player One on the X900F and the Q90R and despite reviews, motion was MUCH better on the Sony with all settings tweaked. It was jarring on the Q90R no matter how much I futzed with it.

Subtle. But pronounced difference.
I’ve always found Sony to be the best motion wise. If I’m choosing a set with motion as my one and only priority, Sony would win every time.
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I spent some time with it in a dedicated room. I didn’t notice too much blooming.

I watched the race scene in Ready Player One on the X900F and the Q90R and despite reviews, motion was MUCH better on the Sony with all settings tweaked. It was jarring on the Q90R no matter how much I futzed with it.

Subtle. But pronounced difference.
I have the Sony 940D. I purchased the 82” Q90R. I returned it to Best Buy three days later. The judder watching basketball on ESPN was excruciating. During the day the reflective screen gave it a SOE look. Only when it got darker in the room did the picture look normal to me. Someone made the comment in the Q90R thread that if you don’t like SOE you won’t like the Q90R. I agree with that statement. I like my 940D so much better.
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Right. Well i also wanted better black levels. I’m coming from a Q6FN. So the X900F and the Q90R will have much better local dimming right? I get it that the Sony won’t be AS great. But from no LD To X900F FALD? Should be a huge improvement.
Pick your poison as far as LD goes. Both Sony and Samsung have different priorities with their FALD algorithms. Sony goes less aggressive in an attempt to retain more detail, whereas Samsung uses a more aggressive implementation to try and combat blooming.

I like the Sony implementation better in theory, but it requires a huge zone count to perform at its best.

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Understood. Which the 900 doesn’t have. Low zone count. But... smooth motion. 🏆 and still they rated the motion better on the Q90R. My eyes didn’t think so.

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Right. Well i also wanted better black levels. I’m coming from a Q6FN. So the X900F and the Q90R will have much better local dimming right? I get it that the Sony won’t be AS great. But from no LD To X900F FALD? Should be a huge improvement.
Pick your poison as far as LD goes. Both Sony and Samsung have different priorities with their FALD algorithms. Sony goes less aggressive in an attempt to retain more detail, whereas Samsung uses a more aggressive implementation to try and combat blooming.

I like the Sony implementation better in theory, but it requires a huge zone count to perform at its best.
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Understood. Which the 900 doesn’t have. Low zone count. But... smooth motion. 🏆 and still they rated the motion better on the Q90R. My eyes didn’t think so.
Full disclosure...I returned an 85” 900F due solely to my displeasure with the amount of blooming. I have since moved on with a 75” Z9F, which funny enough, may actually have more blooming than my 900F did. The Z9F is a substantial improvement in almost every other way though.

My 82” Q90R will be here on Thursday and either that or my Z9F should end up being my final set.

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What are 4k movies or scenes that show the blooming? I didn’t notice any except in black loading or title screens.

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Understood. Which the 900 doesn’t have. Low zone count. But... smooth motion. 🏆 and still they rated the motion better on the Q90R. My eyes didn’t think so.
Full disclosure...I returned an 85” 900F due solely to my displeasure with the amount of blooming. I have since moved on with a 75” Z9F, which funny enough, may actually have more blooming than my 900F did. The Z9F is a substantial improvement in almost every other way though.

My 82” Q90R will be here on Thursday and either that or my Z9F should end up being my final set.
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What are 4k movies or scenes that show the blooming? I didn’t notice any except in black loading or title screens.
Maybe you are not that sensitive to it, which would be a good thing.

It’s really only an issue in HDR content and I see it in pretty much all HDR content to varying degrees. It’s always present in the black bars and around bright highlights in darker content.

I would not advise you to go looking for blooming. Like any defect, once you see it you can’t unsee it.

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I agree... but to an extent. I had an OLED for a while. But i MUCH preferred the 82” Q6FN. So i would imagine light bleed/black bars/everything should be better on The X900F than the Q6FN. Right?

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Maybe you are not that sensitive to it, which would be a good thing.

It’s really only an issue in HDR content and I see it in pretty much all HDR content to varying degrees. It’s always present in the black bars and around bright highlights in darker content.

I would not advise you to go looking for blooming. Like any defect, once you see it you can’t unsee it.
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I agree... but to an extent. I had an OLED for a while. But i MUCH preferred the 82” Q6FN. So i would imagine light bleed/black bars/everything should be better on The X900F than the Q6FN. Right?
I’m not familiar enough with the Q6FN to comment. Sorry.

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My 82" Q90 should be delivered to my Best Buy this week & I'd like to address the other side of your question.
I have NO experience w/ the Sony vs the Samsung, but what I do have experience w/ is the $1000 more on the price tag...
Use the Best Buy price match guarantee that they offer you!
I was able to get a quote from a store that doesn't advertise the Q90 at all for only $200 more than the Sony. Best Buy price matched & it was ordered!
If the price is the issue, you have ways around that!

I hope you get whichever TV you really want!
My decision was based on reading the same threads as you, in the end the real deciding factor was the 4 pane sliding glass door in my living room.
NO TV can touch the anti glare of the Q90 is the general opinion & that is one of my caveats I needed to look into for daytime viewing @ my house.

Good luck w/ your choice!!

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Yeah. If anti-glare was an issue for me there would be no contest. But i have very few reflections, even daytime.

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My 82" Q90 should be delivered to my Best Buy this week & I'd like to address the other side of your question.
I have NO experience w/ the Sony vs the Samsung, but what I do have experience w/ is the $1000 more on the price tag...
Use the Best Buy price match guarantee that they offer you!
I was able to get a quote from a store that doesn't advertise the Q90 at all for only $200 more than the Sony. Best Buy price matched & it was ordered!
If the price is the issue, you have ways around that!

I hope you get whichever TV you really want!
My decision was based on reading the same threads as you, in the end the real deciding factor was the 4 pane sliding glass door in my living room.
NO TV can touch the anti glare of the Q90 is the general opinion & that is one of my caveats I needed to look into for daytime viewing @ my house.

Good luck w/ your choice!!
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Right. Well i also wanted better black levels. I’m coming from a Q6FN. So the X900F and the Q90R will have much better local dimming right? I get it that the Sony won’t be AS great. But from no LD To X900F FALD? Should be a huge improvement.
I would say so, yes. FALD typically increases the effective contrast ratio by around 2x or more and it makes for a much more pleasing picture, IMO, during darker scenes. Without LD you choose between either making things too dim/crushing the blacks, or making blacks grey to see finer details. With FALD you don't have that dilemma (well not nearly as badly). Of course an OLED trumps everything here but OLEDs have other tradeoffs/disadvantages too and I'd imagine an 80"+ set will be significantly more expensive?


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Understood. Which the 900 doesn’t have. Low zone count. But... smooth motion. 🏆 and still they rated the motion better on the Q90R. My eyes didn’t think so.
By "they", who did you mean? Rtings? Or another publication? The Rtings rating is actually nearly the same for these sets but the X900F scores slightly better in stutter. The thing that brings the X900F's overall score down in the Motion category is the BFI sub-category. This is because it can only do BFI @ 120Hz, whereas the Q90R can also do it at 60Hz. A lot of people never even use BFI so this is often not an issue. If the motion looks better to you on the X900F, that's because it likely is better.
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