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Can you clarify your first post? Are you saying the gray scale panel is only binary or it can dim each individual pixel?


I agree completely with your second post. Even if this TV isnt perfect this technology will eventually be if it comes to market. The most recent videos show good viewing angles and a mention of no blooming. So it seems like things are progressing.
It's per pixel..

By binary I meant by either being black, 0 (fully blocking) or white, 1 (letting all light pass) per pixel. Meaning it only had 2 states, fully blocking or not blocking...

But it's not binary, so it's not just on/off per pixel. It's grayscale, so each pixel will have multiple levels light blocking. I had a better article on it where it's explain in detail but I can't find it. Post above my references a good one to listen/watch. Basically you can view the 2nd panel as the same image but without color, it would represent the total luminance only in a grayscale image.

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BD Cell actually means Boe Dual Cell. Just like the Hisense the BOE one demo is 65 inch.

So there is AUO(Taiwan) who is pushing the miniLED stuff now confronted with reporter asking if it would not be better to use the Dual Cell tech (Boe China, Innolux Taiwan) AUO representative Simon states that the monitor single user scenario usually does not need dual cell tech, 1,000 zones is (very much) enough (the monitor in front of which he stands has 1,152 zones LOL). I guess these expensive single user scenario high end dual layer monitors are unusual

starts at 10:30 minutes. love those representatives

Also at 6:15 minutes Simon states that AUO demod a Dual Cell LCD previously...''not this year''...''performance is impressive''.

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Flatpanelshd states that these TVs will only be for sale in China.


''Hisense is now putting action behind its words by launching its first (65'') dual-layer LCD TV in China.''

''Hisense will launch 55 and 75-inch models in China next year and possibly bring the TVs to regions outside of China in the coming years. Future versions could stack two 4K LCD panels.''
https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...&id=1562668129


''According to Wang Wei, a top executive “Hisense’s goal is to lead the high-end Chinese TV market”.
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Is importing one of these to the USA plausible? I’m guessing it should have an
English mode, is there anything else that would stop it from working here? How about the voltage?

I wasn’t even in the market for a new tv but this technology intrigued me so much that I want it!
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https://youtu.be/Qsb_MXBfjyc


Good marketing... what is up with that stand??? Why would they do that?

Also they are now saying 150,000 to 1 contrast as opposed to 1-2 million we have been hearing.
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I want to see if the BIG THREE BRANDS can stop the Hisense ULED XD from being on.. "SOME" of the showroom floors at Best BUY in 2020 !
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I want to see if the BIG THREE BRANDS can stop the Hisense ULED XD from being on.. "SOME" of the showroom floors at Best BUY in 2020 !




I wanna see Samsung try and sell a Q90R for $2,500 next to this! I cant wait for the first review to drop! Even if it has flaws the proof of concept is here and only a matter of time until perfected!
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Flatpanelshd states that these TVs will only be for sale in China.



Awesome, lets just hope the ULED XD makes it to the US next year. This isn't a major shocker as Hisense has had other high end panels that were not released in the US. However this time around they have an advantage, so I expect we'll see it
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Good marketing... what is up with that stand??? Why would they do that?

Also they are now saying 150,000 to 1 contrast as opposed to 1-2 million we have been hearing.

150,000:1 is still insane. I haven't followed this model (U9E) unit being released in China specifically it might be the ULED XD they have been showcasing at the shows will be a bit more refined.
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I bet all the TV Brands will be using this technology soon or loose sells.. until Consumer MicroLED comes way down in price in 8 or 10 years down the road!
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I wanna see Samsung try and sell a Q90R for $2,500 next to this! I cant wait for the first review to drop! Even if it has flaws the proof of concept is here and only a matter of time until perfected!
All the Professional Reference Monitors use this technology and they are much better than any Consumer LCD or OLED TV's on the market!
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Good marketing... what is up with that stand??? Why would they do that?

Also they are now saying 150,000 to 1 contrast as opposed to 1-2 million we have been hearing.
The article states that the stand is a heavy/solid wireless subwoofer as well. It either holds the TV up if freestanding on a cabinet, or is removed and plugged in elsewhere if wall mounted. Neat idea IMHO.
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I wanna see Samsung try and sell a Q90R for $2,500 next to this! I cant wait for the first review to drop! Even if it has flaws the proof of concept is here and only a matter of time until perfected!
Well, the exchange rate is about $2,600 USD for this in a 65" display. But I agree seeing them head to head (for sale in the US) would be great.
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Did AVS hand out a secret decoder ring I don't know about? Why do all of the escaped chars (ASCII) chars show up? and why is it only letters "s" and "S".

e.g. (from the post above mine)

& # 115 ; is ASCII letter "s"
& # 83 ; is ASCII letter "S"


... but why? lol

I assume there is some misbehaving mobile app involved here...
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Did AVS hand out a secret decoder ring I don't know about? Why do all of the escaped chars (ASCII) chars show up? and why is it only letters "s" and "S".

e.g. (from the post above mine)

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& # 83 ; is ASCII letter "S"


... but why? lol

I assume there is some misbehaving mobile app involved here...

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I going to wait for the Third Generation 12-Bit 8K ULED XD to come on the market in 2021 !
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Flatpanelshd states that these TVs will only be for sale in China.


''Hisense is now putting action behind its words by launching its first (65'') dual-layer LCD TV in China.''

''Hisense will launch 55 and 75-inch models in China next year and possibly bring the TVs to regions outside of China in the coming years. Future versions could stack two 4K LCD panels.''
https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...&id=1562668129


''According to Wang Wei, a top executive “Hisense’s goal is to lead the high-end Chinese TV market”.
LOLOL I knew it. Just like in years past with hisense's top of the line models that sound to good to be true, are never released here. "In the coming years" ROFL
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LOLOL I knew it. Just like in years past with hisense's top of the line models that sound to good to be true, are never released here. "In the coming years" ROFL
The first Generation 2019 ULED XD will not come to the USA but the 2nd Generation 2020 ULED XD will be coming to the USA!




OLED better enjoy being King!.. 2020 will be here before we know it!
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The first Generation 2019 ULED XD will not come to the USA but the 2nd Generation 2020 ULED XD will be coming to the USA!




OLED better enjoy being King!.. 2020 will be here before we know it!
We'll see. Like I said this company always has a top of the line, incredible model that is always right around the corner, and they NEVER end up here. Also they better UPGRADE their processor game, because the H8f is HORRIBLE.
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We'll see. Like I said this company always has a top of the line, incredible model that is always right around the corner, and they NEVER end up here. Also they better UPGRADE their processor game, because the H8f is HORRIBLE.
I heard that some of the companies have already submitted their patents for this technology and they will have to lower their prices to compete with Hisense!

I sure Hisense will up their game on the processor on their XD if not we can just find a better one with another brand that will be using the same tech...

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I heard that some of the companies have already submitted their patents for this technology and they will have to lower their prices to compete with Hisense!

I sure Hisense will up their game on the processor on their XD if not we can just find a better one with another brand that will be using the same tech...
My thoughts exactly

I'm more then likely get the TCL miniLed tv at the end of the year, to hold me over until 2022-2023.
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Hisense HZ65U9E - Specifications

DisplaySpecification has brightness listed as 500nits. And no DV support!!!

Not sure how accurate it is. Perhaps Hisense rep can clarify.


https://www.displayspecifications.com/en/model/666e1ab5

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Dr. Liu Weidongs, the chief scientist of Hisense Electric, statement shurely tickles

"It will become a new benchmark line for high-end TV''.


i post a translation of first article here.
https://translate.google.com/transla...ml&prev=search
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Dr. Liu Weidongs, the chief scientist of Hisense Electric, statement shurely tickles

"It will become a new benchmark line for high-end TV''.


i post a translation of first article here.
https://translate.google.com/transla...ml&prev=search

Cool article... Definitely some loss in translation. One thing I find interesting is they are now claiming 150k to 1 contrast as opposed to several million. But the interesting part is they are claiming the 150,000 to 1 contrast surpasses OLED. I also read something which I interpreted as better viewing angles but I'm not certain.
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"Official" Specs: 500 nits brightness.

https://www.hisense.com/items/2922
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"Official" Specs: 500 nits brightness.

https://www.hisense.com/items/2922
Not surprising for 1st gen. Still plenty bright for anythig not HDR. The ULED XD is suppose to be over 1000 nits, support HDR and have a better 2nd LCD panel resolution (4k up from 2k). This is all in prototype form now though... So it's impossible to say.

What I did find interesting from that page was .. "twin stack screen / sub-pixel level control" . That has to be a translation quirk; as I didn't think the 2nd screen was to the sub-pixel level.


Good news is the 1st gen exists and is being sold! So we'll have to wait and see what the ULED XD has in store for the US. So far seems it has completely different specs.
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My guess is they're only selling in China because they haven't ironed everything out yet. They'll make a limited number while fine tuning the production process along the way. It will easier to troubleshoot and fix units in China than the US. We're all probably better off waiting a year for US units to become available. Maybe tariffs have something to do with it also.
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